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Umkills
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Needing Some Help
#22441264 - 10/27/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alright guy, Ive searched around the forums and i couldn't really come up with anything that helped with what im needing. So, I guess im gonna ask you guys your input, and i'll be sure to post pix...im fairly new to this whole thing, but i have a strong interest in it.
Ok so what i have here as far as my set up i have a tote with a sealed lid, with an air pump supplying air and a exit vent for co2 build up, it keeps a positive pressure on it...yada, yada....heres a pic 
What im having an issue with is my cakes, im getting a really thick Mycelium growth usually around the edges like in the pic, on the right side of my cake, you can see how its growing, now..i dont really consider this a bad thing but, i dont get much pinning in these areas, and shrooms for the most part, dont really come outta them, ill get like just a few 10-12 all together, when in the lighter areas of mycelium growth, its just exploding and they are everywhere..Im needing to know why its growing this way, if i can stop it, and if i can possibly get my flushes to cover the entire growing area..lol thats alot, so i guess lets focus on the issue at hand...how can i fix this, and why is it doing it, any input would be greatly appreciated...Thanks!! oh i about forgot, my Mycelium cakes where made using pasteurized bird seed, and my cake medium is horse poo Pasteurized, using the pillow case tek
 Air intake
 Exit Vent...these are on opposite ends
 heres an over head look at the cake, you can see what im talking about on the right hand side of the cake, and the bottom some on the right... why is it doing this?
 heres a close up of the thick stuff
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YaMoonSun
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: Umkills]
#22441293 - 10/27/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Manually fan it out three times a day and see if that goes away. After you mist the substrate lightly. Just looks like lake of fresh air exchange to me.
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Umkills
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22441304 - 10/27/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok cool, so lack of air exchange, i keep that pump running about 24/7 but ill add this to it as well, thanks for the advise, ill see if it helps me out, other than that, everything look ok?
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Umkills
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: Umkills]
#22441309 - 10/27/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh...and about how long should i leave the lid off to fan it out? or just fan it with the lid for a few seconds then replace it?
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YaMoonSun
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: Umkills]
#22441315 - 10/27/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You've got some pretty fat pins; Is it from a spore syringe? Also, yes, just mist, fan and replace the lid. Looking forward to seeing it's outcome.
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: Umkills]
#22441319 - 10/27/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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any reason you went with the pump and didn't make this a monotub? looks like the sub is setup properly just need to add some holes and stuff with polyfill
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20307891
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YaMoonSun
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: psilobob]
#22441331 - 10/27/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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 I've never made a mono, but that's basically going to spare you a lot of fanning.
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Umkills
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: psilobob]
#22441343 - 10/27/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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haha see my wife keeps telling me this, and i just really dont wanna cut holes in it, i dunno why really i couldnt give u a reason other than i think it looks like shit lol...id rather manually try this..if it doesnt help. then ill be forced to cut it and poly the holes lol
And yea this is from a spore syringe its Amazonian PES strain, i was super careful and i made 5 jars at the start, figuring id mess a few up. but i guess being super anal about being clean from the start paid off, cause all 5 jars done perfect, knock on wood. ill show u how these flush. ill add pix in the coming days
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: Umkills]
#22441363 - 10/27/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You will be alright,elatical tiger has an air pump tek and bod has a no holes tek, give those a read.
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Umkills
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: cronicr]
#22441413 - 10/27/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh im gonna have to check them out, mine is kinda of my own design but i read a lot on various forums before i ever began, so i wasnt going into this blind...but i will definitely check those out im always open to idea's thanks for the help guys, no shit...ive been on this forum for awhile..lurking around. figured it was time to join the crowd and try and learn more..this forum is awesome, and extremely helpful....not to suck any ass or anything haha. im just really grateful for this type of place..solid info is hard to come by
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: cronicr]
#22441446 - 10/27/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What im having an issue with is my cakes, im getting a really thick Mycelium growth usually around the edges like in the pic, on the right side of my cake, you can see how its growing, now..i dont really consider this a bad thing but, i dont get much pinning in these areas, and shrooms for the most part, dont really come outta them, ill get like just a few 10-12 all together, when in the lighter areas of mycelium growth, its just exploding and they are everywhere..Im needing to know why its growing this way
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heres an over head look at the cake, you can see what im talking about on the right hand side of the cake, and the bottom some on the right... why is it doing this?
the right side of ur tub is where the intake is. its drying up. i doubt u need an exhaust. and i wouldn't run it 24/7 with a loose lid. if u don't wanna go all passive, i'd use a timer.
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Umkills
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ok, my lid isn't loose, i have like weather trim for doors, stuck to the top of the tote where the lid and tote touch, so its sealed up, how often would u say to kick the air on? i already have a timer i can use
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: Umkills]
#22441557 - 10/27/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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im not sure, i never used a set up like that. i'd imagine it would be 1-2 minutes every hour or so depending on the speed of the motor.
the lid is looser than u think. the amount of condensation near ur lid ends, and near ur exhaust are not the same. I'm not sure how much ur exhaust is doing, but i would venture to guess, ur lid is exhausting more.
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Umkills
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Hmm..that would render my exhaust..useless....and that's not good, do u think if I sealed my lid up even better I could stop this? And ur air intake suggestion, when I first started with this about 4 totes ago, I had my air set to run 30 minute's every other hour, what this done is I had really long stems and small caps, and after linking around the forums here I found that it was doing this from lack of fresh air, so I turned it up to run for and hour and a half every 2 hours, and I had some caps that were 4-5 inch in diameter, I think I have a pic of that one, but in my totes b4, I always used like a baking pan set down in the tote and my cake growing in the pan, I didn't have much issue with humidity...but with this tote, I opted to go without the baking pan setup, and put my poo right in the tote...and by doing this I noticed I had a serious issue with humidity, it was dripping down onto my cake from the lid, by running my air 24/7 it balanced it out I thought, but like u noticed I had different levels of condensation on my tote and that told u something...I'm not that good yet, that's y I'm asking for help lol
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: Umkills]
#22441670 - 10/27/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i don't like giving advice on something i haven't done, so i can't really say for sure.
i think actively controlled greenhouses are the epitome of mushroom growing if one has the space and resources to do so.
but i think when we use smaller, modular systems, like tubs in our own homes and apartments, "passive" systems can equal or outperform active ones in terms of time and energy spent.
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Umkills
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I don't put alot of energy into it...if u do everything right and keep it clean, they grow by them selfs, I just have to watch them but I understand what ur saying about not wanting to give advise on something you don't know, but like I've said this is kinda my own creation, borrowed ideas put into one system...so I really won't find anyone that's comfortable giving advice on my system lol...but the key thing I need to know, is why it's doing it...I think I can alter my setup to fix it, and ur saying my airflow is jacked...so in the morning, I think I'm gonna try and fix that, I'll study on it tonight...thank for the replies guys...let me ask one more question..lol
If I get my tote sealed better, my concept should work in theory right? Fresh air from the top co2 exit at the bottom? Maybe if my air comes in from the side instead of blowing directly on my cake
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i used to grow in greenhouses and i even had a setup similar to that when i first started until i made a proper mono...bro i know you put alotta time/thought and effort into that but it is still not an optimal setup and they take so much more work plus require electricity and for what? you still have to fan and mist bet if you melt/cut 6 holes in that thing mono style you wont regret it
NO co2 mixes with the air its a misconception that it just falls to the bottom kinda like oil/water
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if it were me, the main thing i'd think about is
"how fast/how many cfm's is this motor pushing, and how many cf is this chamber?"
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"how can i trail and error this motor with this timer that i have on hand to give the best results?"
in a legit mushroom GH, it is sealed. the exhaust is active, and at a velocity usually LESS than half that of the intake.
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Umkills
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Ok, pretty solid consensus I need to monotube my totes..lol, if I'm not gonna have a gh, I obviously can't do this with my tote atm cutting wholes in the side would get plastic all over my cake, how ever, where this one is starting to pin I can start my second tote back up, I will murder my second tote...and poly it, I asked for help, and that's what u guys are recommending, I'm gonna trust ur judgment..thanks for ur help, I'll keep you guys posted on this tote I already have going, and if u want I'll do a comparison, and post pix of how this monotube does in comparison
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Re: Needing Some Help [Re: Umkills]
#22443572 - 10/28/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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People have done the automated tubs and have had good results.
Keeping things simple requires much less work time and energy. Mono's are really simple and when they are dialled in properly and keep up with an automated tub.
I too have started with GH before mono's and like the simplicity of set and forget.
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