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wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency?
    #22440083 - 10/27/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the title says it all. :mushroom2::crazy2:


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22440102 - 10/27/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Scientia]
    #22440105 - 10/27/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Scientia]
    #22440118 - 10/27/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would presume, as heat destroys actives; Perhaps you could do a seeping brew in the fridge though? Iced psychedelic tea doesn't sound have bad. Could probably add other herbs to it too. Although if you're thinking cannabis, it has to be activated using heat, or a combination of coconut juice and citrus of your choice.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22440120 - 10/27/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nope :smile: The actives don't degrade until temps well over 300f. Steep your mushrooms for at least twenty minutes before straining to get most of the goodies out (you can also do a second extraction with more hot water to get the remaining actives out), then sip, and enjoy! :rainbowdrink:


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22440127 - 10/27/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Nope :smile: The actives don't degrade until temps well over 300f. Steep your mushrooms for at least twenty minutes before straining to get most of the goodies out (you can also do a second extraction with more hot water to get the remaining actives out), then sip, and enjoy! :rainbowdrink:




have you tried it before ? does the trip come on any faster/stronger


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22440134 - 10/27/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Faster and more gradual, as it is hot and absorbs better and you are sipping it.

The alkaloids won't get destroyed by heat, however in water like that, enzymes can destroy them.

This isn't a problem if you expect to do it right away, or soon after.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22440136 - 10/27/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Nope :smile: The actives don't degrade until temps well over 300f. Steep your mushrooms for at least twenty minutes before straining to get most of the goodies out (you can also do a second extraction with more hot water to get the remaining actives out), then sip, and enjoy! :rainbowdrink:




have you tried it before ? does the trip come on any faster/stronger



It hits you faster for sure, there's no uncomfortable come-up stage, which is a major plus. However, the trip doesn't last as long as eating them straight up. It seems to wear off around the 4 hour mark for me.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22440138 - 10/27/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

any potency loss due to heat is very minor and fixed by tossing a couple extra caps in, you can grill them boil them bake them do what ya want


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22440141 - 10/27/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dude, Making Tea does not make it less potent. In fact for me the effect is grater. Dump your mushrooms powder in lemon juice and let it sit for 20 minutes or so, the lemon will extract the actives. Then make a tea with that.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22440153 - 10/27/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So just let the boiling water settle for a minute before pouring it?


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22440160 - 10/27/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nah. Boiling water is 212F psilocin degrades at 340 and psilocybin at 380-390. Much higher than boiling water.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22440164 - 10/27/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

a shorter, stronger, faster coming on trip sounds better imo.. sometimes i don't like to be fucked up for 7 hours lol.. anyone have a good shroom tea recipe ?


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22440179 - 10/27/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Feels a lot hotter when you burn yourself with it. :shrug:


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Mad Season]
    #22440183 - 10/27/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

TBH, it might be best to boil it or use even hotter water under pressure. This would cause the proteins to denature along with any enzymes like phosphatases and reducing stabilizers for redox.

Then again, why bother? If you want to store something store the mushies, not the tea.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22440192 - 10/27/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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a shorter, stronger, faster coming on trip sounds better imo.. sometimes i don't like to be fucked up for 7 hours lol.. anyone have a good shroom tea recipe ?




I just blended the stuff in a blender (or you can use a coffee grinder) and passed it 3x through the coffee maker. The only thing I added was sugar, since it is rather bitter otherwise.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22440201 - 10/27/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well people deep fry shrooms and crons straight pressure cooked them with no potency issues. Boiling water is like luke warm compared to it under pressure, and almost boiling oil lol.

Yeah definitely micro. Tho tossing in some vitamin c could help :smile: I heard its great at stopping oxidation. But I prefer vacuum sealing shit :lol:


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: micro]
    #22440203 - 10/27/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Implying that you poured the tea back into the machine and ran it through the mushrooms two additional times?


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22440216 - 10/27/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would use clean water. Who not? It's water :lol:

I'd definitely leave the crumbled mushroom solids in the filter and run water through it another 2x.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: micro]
    #22440223 - 10/27/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. There is very little if any potency loss. Possibly more is lost because it stays in the mushroom versus being dissolved out of the mushroom.

We used to make tea by boiling them for 20+ mins back when I didn't know better. Didn't noticed any loss after twenty mins.

The trip kicks in super fast, less stomach ache.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: tahoe]
    #22440255 - 10/27/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also, lemon juice is the key when making mushroom tea.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22440267 - 10/27/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, lemon juice is the key when making mushroom tea.




what role does the lemon juice take part in? isn't psilocybin and psilocin water soluble ?


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22440311 - 10/27/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just make your mushrooms powder and let the powder sit on lemon juice for 20 minutes before making the tea. All the info is here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20712101


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22441165 - 10/27/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Boiled water and put. Stea bag init along with the shrooms took it off and let it simmer for 20 mins added milk and sugar as desired it tastes delicious!


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22441260 - 10/27/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was gonna make tea my last ksss trip...I ground up the fresh shrooms best I could...poured lemon juice over it for about 30 minutes...then I got the bright idea that I'm just gonna drink it all shrooms and everything...have you ever drank vomit? That it what the consistency was...fml, I have an iron gut...but I almost lost my shit with that lol... anyways, tea is awesome.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22441290 - 10/27/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Boiled water and put. Stea bag init along with the shrooms took it off and let it simmer for 20 mins added milk and sugar as desired it tastes delicious!



Awesome!! Did you strain out the pieces or just leave them in? I can't stomach those pieces in my tea, they're way too slimy and taste terrible. I always gotta add a shit load of sugar or I'm not gonna drink it :lol:

Hey Loc, that's really brave of you, I would've :puke: right away. Most of the actives should be extracted in that timeframe anyway. I like to press the shroom pieces against the sides of the cup before removing to get the last bit of moisture out. Can't leave any goodies behind!!


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22441389 - 10/27/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Boiled water and put. Stea bag init along with the shrooms took it off and let it simmer for 20 mins added milk and sugar as desired it tastes delicious!



Awesome!! Did you strain out the pieces or just leave them in? I can't stomach those pieces in my tea, they're way too slimy and taste terrible. I always gotta add a shit load of sugar or I'm not gonna drink it :lol:

Hey Loc, that's really brave of you, I would've :puke: right away. Most of the actives should be extracted in that timeframe anyway. I like to press the shroom pieces against the sides of the cup before removing to get the last bit of moisture out. Can't leave any goodies behind!!




I just did an extra rinse and then dumped all the gunk down the drain lol, how long does a tea trip last ?


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22441417 - 10/27/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Boiled water and put. Stea bag init along with the shrooms took it off and let it simmer for 20 mins added milk and sugar as desired it tastes delicious!



Awesome!! Did you strain out the pieces or just leave them in? I can't stomach those pieces in my tea, they're way too slimy and taste terrible. I always gotta add a shit load of sugar or I'm not gonna drink it :lol:

Hey Loc, that's really brave of you, I would've :puke: right away. Most of the actives should be extracted in that timeframe anyway. I like to press the shroom pieces against the sides of the cup before removing to get the last bit of moisture out. Can't leave any goodies behind!!




I just did an extra rinse and then dumped all the gunk down the drain lol, how long does a tea trip last ?



Depends on individual body chemistry, but usually around 5 hours with the usual comedown effects. I always have my bong loaded and ready for that. Coming down off mushrooms is always bad for me, I can barely sit still and my thoughts always start racing.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22441483 - 10/27/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ime. Come down starts around 4 hrs. Takes another hour for the last waves to pass through.  Afterglow still lasts usually for 1-3 days depending more on what I'm doing and where I am. 

And I agree with Mr. Alien though, juice a lemon or two, grind mushies into powder with coffee grinder. Add water andlow boil for 10 minutes. Add honey cud its fuckin awesome.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22441502 - 10/27/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're more the douche here.  Ever consider someone is looking for the same answer as you and wants to be "included in the thread", and that's why that smiley was created?  Slow your roll...

There's a tea recipe in my sig.  You should both look at it.  Making tea does not cause a loss in potency.  If it does it's offset by an increase in metabolized actives and a stronger peak.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22441871 - 10/27/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, lemon juice is the key when making mushroom tea.




what role does the lemon juice take part in? isn't psilocybin and psilocin water soluble ?




Not exactly; it depends on the form. It can be a freebase (found naturally) or a salt.

If it were mixed with lemon juice and water it could form the citrate.

The acid protonates the somewhat-basic amine group, giving it a charge and making the molecule polar.

This will be water soluble, but not the freebase which lacks the same dipole moments.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: micro]
    #22441979 - 10/27/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I've used inoc's tea tek. It's pretty good. Usually I just throw a bunch of shrooms in a pot of water, boil the shit out of them for like an hour, strain, cool and chug. Never had an issue with potancy.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22442098 - 10/27/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I skip the boil completely sometimes using my tek.  I get it to a simmer and turn off the heat because the lemon juice already did the work.  I've never just boiled em.  If THAT works, I dunno HOW people are fucking it up.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22442139 - 10/27/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

People are fucking it up? Fuck I've boiled them over a camp fire in a fucking spade shovel filled with water and 4 of use had a great fucking night off like a quarter.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22442149 - 10/27/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I made the tek because people I know failed at making tea somehow.  I don't know how, I didn't want to ask.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22442165 - 10/27/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No wonder there are so many threads on doing extractions here :rolleyes:

Water is right up there with alcohol. I guess methanol extractions would be the next step.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #22442271 - 10/27/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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People are fucking it up? Fuck I've boiled them over a camp fire in a fucking spade shovel filled with water and 4 of use had a great fucking night off like a quarter.



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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22443654 - 10/28/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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People are fucking it up? Fuck I've boiled them over a camp fire in a fucking spade shovel filled with water and 4 of use had a great fucking night off like a quarter.



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by the time i had posted my last post, i was tripping too hard to even write another post lol. ground up 5 grams of fresh mushrooms into a tea and downed it.. felt the effects in about 15 minutes and then hit me like a brick wall with bright lights, ambient colours and objects morphing and waving.. i definitely underestimated the tea and i will be doing it again :mushroom2:


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22443663 - 10/28/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

5 grams in tea should do a little more than bright lights and morphing and waving.

Oh nevermind didn't see fresh, very nice.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22443666 - 10/28/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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People are fucking it up? Fuck I've boiled them over a camp fire in a fucking spade shovel filled with water and 4 of use had a great fucking night off like a quarter.



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by the time i had posted my last post, i was tripping too hard to even write another post lol. ground up 5 grams of fresh mushrooms into a tea and downed it.. felt the effects in about 15 minutes and then hit me like a brick wall with bright lights, ambient colours and objects morphing and waving.. i definitely underestimated the tea and i will be doing it again :mushroom2:



Cool! 5 grams fresh? That's roughly equivalent to half a gram of dry cubes.

I wish I could get the same level of effects with such a small dose. :shocked:


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22443671 - 10/28/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You ain't tried APE Psilo?


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22443674 - 10/28/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)


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5 grams in tea should do a little more than bright lights and morphing and waving.

Oh nevermind didn't see fresh, very nice.




half of the five grams was actually not very fresh shrooms, was some old stinky dried up ones i bought a while back so maybe thats a contributor, i also weigh like 210 and I'm 5'6"\

and no i didnt mean wet shrooms i just meant recently picked and dried, lol. sorry for the misunderstanding.


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22443712 - 10/28/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh well.. then maybe they should've done a bit more than that.  Who knows at that rate?


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22443721 - 10/28/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You ain't tried APE Psilo?



I haven't. It's on my bucket list. :grin:


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22443734 - 10/28/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh well.. then maybe they should've done a bit more than that.  Who knows at that rate?




im not sure why but i always seem to have a hard time getting to a level 5 (which I've never been there).. sometime in the near future I'm thinking about doing a crazy strong dose probably about 7 grams of dried pan cyans in a tea to ensure my level 5.. but even then i have my doubts i will reach that lol


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: LethalWeapon]
    #22443771 - 10/28/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Actually no, in some threads I've heard it increases the potency.

I'm new here so I it'll be helpful if you answer some of my questions...:eek:


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Re: wouldn't making mushroom tea cause a loss of potency? [Re: TheMethRing]
    #22443783 - 10/28/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Actually no, in some threads I've heard it increases the potency.

I'm new here so I it'll be helpful if you answer some of my questions...:eek:




i wouldn't say it increases the potency ime from last night, i would say it increases the strength of the peak and how fast it comes on making it seem more potent


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