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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: millzy]
#22444893 - 10/28/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: you guys seem to be blaming kids for the rise in suspensions and increased presence of law enforcement in public schools when the reality is that there is a monetary interest in having more cops in schools and involving courts in matters that formerly handled in-house. i'm not saying that having cops on school campuses is implicitly bad. but the degree to which those cops are involved in every day disciplinary action is troublesome, and it leads to scenarios like this, or worse. as i've said, being a kid is a crime now. that's unacceptable to me. we can do better than teaching our children at gunpoint.
"monetary interest in having more cops in the school"
It's the school district that decides whether they pay for the security of law enforcement at a school, not cops. The high school where my nieces attended just had a large debate whether they wanted the security to come back next year, many school budgets can't afford it if it's not necessary.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: Asante]
#22444897 - 10/28/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: There can be difference of opinion but discussion here, no matter how the wind blows people disagree. They almost disagree regardless of subject.
people here are more interested in dominating the conversation ("being right") than actually learning from each other. most of the time, including this time, i find myself only partially disagreeing with dissenting points of view. meanwhile they others try to bulldoze me, call me names etc. i think a lot of it is just the age demographic. i don't take it personally.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: millzy]
#22444909 - 10/28/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: you guys seem to be blaming kids
Well it's the kids fault that they are insubordinate. It isn't the teachers fault, it isn't the adminstators fault and it's not the cops fault. Is it the parents fault? Nope.
Whose fault is it, millzy?
You can call a high school student a kid all you want, but they have enough intelligence by then to recognize authority.
Nobody forces you to comply. Just don't be surprised when your ass gets slammed to the ground.
If you're going to disrupt a classroom and make a scene, be prepared to face the consequences
that's lazy thinking in my view. you're looking at this incident in such narrow terms that you're not seeing the larger issue. kids, especially teenagers, are rebellious; it's how the grow and learn. i'm not saying that it's acceptable to act out in school. but some time ago, someone figured out how to monetize teenage rebellion. that's what we're looking at here, and it's a big problem.
I'm sorry but I didn't see you answer my question
Whose fault is it, millzy?
Are you telling me we can't hold teenagers accountable for acting out? What should we do with them? I don't understand. You said it's how they learn, but they don't learn unless they are disciplined. I'm not saying use violence either like the guy in the video, but I don't see how you think my thinking is "narrow" because I think teenagers should be held accountable. They're 15, not 5.
I never acted out like that. I never went against authority. And you know what, I didn't get my ass slammed to the ground. Imagine that.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: millzy]
#22444913 - 10/28/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: you guys seem to be blaming kids
Well it's the kids fault that they are insubordinate. It isn't the teachers fault, it isn't the adminstators fault and it's not the cops fault. Is it the parents fault? Nope.
Whose fault is it, millzy?
You can call a high school student a kid all you want, but they have enough intelligence by then to recognize authority.
Nobody forces you to comply. Just don't be surprised when your ass gets slammed to the ground.
If you're going to disrupt a classroom and make a scene, be prepared to face the consequences
that's lazy thinking in my view. you're looking at this incident in such narrow terms that you're not seeing the larger issue. kids, especially teenagers, are rebellious; it's how the grow and learn. i'm not saying that it's acceptable to act out in school. but some time ago, someone figured out how to monetize teenage rebellion. that's what we're looking at here, and it's a big problem.
"it's how the grow and learn"
Really? 10,000 suspensions per year is how they "grow and learn", it appears they aren't learning a dam thing.
It's a culture that doesn't value or place a strong emphasis on education, they can't even behave well enough in school to give learning a chance, it's nothing more than chaos.
"are rebellious"
There's different levels of rebellion at school, for us in high school it was skipping a class or leaving the school at lunch time, it wasn't fighting with teachers and telling them to go fuck themselves. I don't think you have a clue what happens in those schools.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: qman]
#22444932 - 10/28/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: you guys seem to be blaming kids for the rise in suspensions and increased presence of law enforcement in public schools when the reality is that there is a monetary interest in having more cops in schools and involving courts in matters that formerly handled in-house. i'm not saying that having cops on school campuses is implicitly bad. but the degree to which those cops are involved in every day disciplinary action is troublesome, and it leads to scenarios like this, or worse. as i've said, being a kid is a crime now. that's unacceptable to me. we can do better than teaching our children at gunpoint.
"monetary interest in having more cops in the school"
It's the school district that decides whether they pay for the security of law enforcement at a school, not cops. The high school where my nieces attended just had a large debate whether they wanted the security to come back next year, many school budgets can't afford it if it's not necessary.
since you don't seem to be aware of current events, you may want to read up on the cash for kids scandal.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: millzy]
#22444935 - 10/28/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: i don't take it personally.
Its not personal most of the time and even when it is you don't have to take it as such.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: Asante]
#22444945 - 10/28/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I lived in Windsor, which is across the river from Detroit, I noticed a lot of gang presence as well as people trying to act gangster. Kids with guns and shit. I once saw a kid hanging and bleeding in a wire mesh window he got throw through over a dispute about some drugs. For real, cops need to be in some schools, because their parents aren't there to keep them in line.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: millzy]
#22444965 - 10/28/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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millzy said: you guys seem to be blaming kids for the rise in suspensions and increased presence of law enforcement in public schools when the reality is that there is a monetary interest in having more cops in schools and involving courts in matters that formerly handled in-house. i'm not saying that having cops on school campuses is implicitly bad. but the degree to which those cops are involved in every day disciplinary action is troublesome, and it leads to scenarios like this, or worse. as i've said, being a kid is a crime now. that's unacceptable to me. we can do better than teaching our children at gunpoint.
"monetary interest in having more cops in the school"
It's the school district that decides whether they pay for the security of law enforcement at a school, not cops. The high school where my nieces attended just had a large debate whether they wanted the security to come back next year, many school budgets can't afford it if it's not necessary.
since you don't seem to be aware of current events, you may want to read up on the cash for kids scandal.
There's over policing at every level of society today and that's a major problem.
I know of one HS that found a student on Facebook that had a photo of them drinking a beer during the summer time at their beach house, the school suspend that student when class started in the Fall, it was stunned when I heard that news.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: Uzziel]
#22445015 - 10/28/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so at what age does it become acceptable to slam a kid on the ground? 11? 13?
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: mycoprog] 1
#22445027 - 10/28/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The kid wasn't thrown or slammed. Anyone who says otherwise I have a hard time believing they know what something like that looks like.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22445031 - 10/28/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: When I lived in Windsor, which is across the river from Detroit, I noticed a lot of gang presence as well as people trying to act gangster. Kids with guns and shit. I once saw a kid hanging and bleeding in a wire mesh window he got throw through over a dispute about some drugs. For real, cops need to be in some schools, because their parents aren't there to keep them in line.
they certainly do. and i'm not saying that problem schools should not have law enforcement present when they're needed. but that heavy presence seems to be the norm now, and there are very bad reasons for that and it's turning our schools into prisons.
and qman, i really don't know how else to tell you this since i've made several posts saying it, but i think it's the girl's fault too. that doesn't excuse the officer's behavior or the underlying systemic problems we are seeing at play.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22445053 - 10/28/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: Really? I wouldn't expect this to be that big. It's as if millions and millions of people don't understand what it might actually look like when a full grown man slams a teenage girl with like.. a third of his muscle mass. The guy deals with adult men all the time, it would take a very special kind of restraint to "slam" her on that floor and not cause her considerable damage.
that is the most retarded comment I have heard up into this point in my life, I can beat most grown men , beat up cops if no weapon is used.. but I can easily subdue a teenage girl sitting down without much force....
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22445070 - 10/28/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: The kid wasn't thrown or slammed. Anyone who says otherwise I have a hard time believing they know what something like that looks like.
i was locked up for two years in various "rehab" facilities for "depression" from age 10-12. i'm talking really, really rough places. i've seen little boys get sedated to the point of having seizures. i know what a take down looks like. i've seen some pretty crazy ones. this one is arguably as bad as anything else i've seen.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: larry.fisherman]
#22445105 - 10/28/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: The kid wasn't thrown or slammed. Anyone who says otherwise I have a hard time believing they know what something like that looks like.
she was clearly thrown at the end after being dumped backwards and pulled away from the chair. i dnt know what video you're watching
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: theRAPeutic]
#22445117 - 10/28/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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He's watching the inside of a cop's anus. 
Sorry. I had to...
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: theRAPeutic]
#22445123 - 10/28/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just don't see a real solution to these violent or insubordinate students.
They just need to start charging teenagers criminally and be accountable for their actions.
Fuck all this "teenagers aren't smart enough to be held accountable" shit.
You wanna disturb the peace? That's fine. Go to jail.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: Uzziel]
#22445615 - 10/28/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the girl was disobedient, not violent. the only thing i saw was her flailing after he grabbed her. how would you deal with your own teenage daughter if she wouldn't get off the couch when you ask them to? twist her up and choke slam her? violence should not be the go-to solution when dealing with people, especially kids.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: millzy]
#22445763 - 10/28/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right... I never said she was violent. I said she was disturbing the peace and insubordinate and refusing to cooperate with 3 different authorities which ultimately led to her being slammed. (I don't agree with it)
I'm not advocating the violence, but what I am saying is that if you don't want to get in trouble, don't look for it.
If my daughter wouldn't get up and it was important, I'd ground her. If that didn't work, I'd just take away whatever was important to her. If all else fails, I'd just physically pick her up and get her up. I wouldn't hurt her. I don't see the point in unnecessary violence.
Sometimes you have to use force to get compliance. Sometimes they need a paddlin.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: Uzziel]
#22445787 - 10/28/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think we mostly agree. i'm with you on not looking for trouble. the girl was definitely stupid to not comply.
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Re: Officer slams S.Carolina H.S. student (video) [Re: Uzziel] 1
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Yes. There are definately corrupt police that not only 'get away' but are also 'let off' by the court system. Not every single cop is either good or bad. We must look at the individual cases however. Thankfully not every cop views every citizen as 'criminal'.
The system is corrupt because of the police. Prosecutors cannot prosecute because officers cover for other officers, and the FOP engages in dirty tactics like they have in Baltimore,where the cops who are investigating other cops are giving info to the defense and not the prosecutors who they work for. Additionally, cops engage in work slow downs and other tactics that discourage prosecutors from ever prosecuting in the first place.
You should read some of the work the Washington post has done on this issue. The police are out of control.
Have you ever heard an active duty cop be critical of another cops actions? It is unheard of, because the number one rule for all cops is to have each other's backs. Cops are all like Prisoner#1, completely incapable of seeing any wrong in anything cops do - either because they think that way or they are forced to act like that because the consequences for speaking up against wrong doing is you lose your job, you are harassed, you are demoted or you are killed.
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