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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Grapefruit]
    #22450004 - 10/29/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I have been taking psychedelics looking for a spiritual awakening for some time. I have done this in the midst of sever chest pain, I was a narcissist. I finally did pass the "first step" of awakening using intellect and psychedelics. Since then I hav felt complete overload of my heart chakra, I tried to kill myself but it failed and I ended up in the psych ward. Now the chakra is destroyed nearly completely, I am shaking and the more it gets destroyed the more I feel love withering away in me and satanic thoughts and feeling overcoming me, they are truly dark, darker than any normal case of psychosis. I was a pathological narcissist and this kind of thing was not meant for me.

I am convinced now, having only 2 month a go been an atheist that god and the devil and hell and heaven are real. You must seek God but be very careful of psychedelic drugs and spiritual awakening, they can destroy your chakras if you have not strengthened them properly. I am writing this as a warning, do not laugh it off, I am not crazy. I am certain the religions have truth to them now and this is not based on delusions but just my experience. Hell is real, there is a reason that great men such as socrates or buddha or jesus believed this. Connection to God, or love is to found in your heart chakra. Be very careful with psychedelics, they can destroy your life completely.




The Bible is the real history of this world. Some of the stuff that is mentioned in the Bible and which the word Bible is a shortened form way for saying bibliography, it might sound far fetch, but if you really do your research, you will find out that it is the truth. Like the story of the Great flood; that there is evidence of a great flood, but there are some people that are trying their best to distort it because they want the history of this world to fit what was taught to them as a child, that everything has evolved from a single speck. Nobody doesn't like to know that there is someone that can see what they had done in the dark and so they tries to convince themselves by convincing others that there is no alternative realm within a realm; you just has one life to live and should live it to the fullest.


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a combining form occurring in loanwords from Greek (bibliography); on this model, used in the formation of compound words with the meaning “book” (bibliophile), and sometimes with the meaning “Bible” (bibliolatry, on the model of idolatry).




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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22450036 - 10/29/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The Bible is the real history of this world? :lol:


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: cez]
    #22450119 - 10/29/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah and shit doesn't stink :lol:


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: enlightened seed]
    #22450290 - 10/29/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #22451124 - 10/29/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It is hard to believe in something that our five senses cannot perceive; but there is a realm within us, but we has gotten detached from one and stayed more connected to our natural side. Some of the things that are in the scriptures sounds impossible, but some people had experienced some of these impossibles. The ones that had these experiences tries to explain it to others, but the others do mot believe because they hasn't seen it for themselves. Like if someone experienced levitation, like walking on water and etc.., but tries to explain their experienced to someone that didn't seen it, the unbeliever will think that they must of have had some type of mental disorder of some sort. Like in the 1600's, a friar that people had witnessed levitating had thought that he was of the devil; and like Joan of Arc, they had thought she was demon possessed because of her abilities to predict. And so most of the prophets were killed by evil people that had claimed to be with God, like wolves in sheep's clothing. They were trying to claimed that Jesus was Beelzebub, and so they will do anything to those that comes after him.



As the phenomenon of flying or levitation was widely believed to be connected with witchcraft, Joseph was denounced to the Inquisition. At their command, he was transferred from one Franciscan friary in the region to another for observation, first to Assisi (1639–53), then briefly to Pietrarubbia and finally Fossombrone, where he lived with and under the supervision of the Capuchin friars (1653–57). He practiced a severe asceticism throughout his life, usually eating solid food only twice a week. He passed 35 years of his life following this regimen.

Finally, on 9 July 1657, Joseph was allowed to return to a Conventual community, being sent to the one in Osimo, where he soon died.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino





Eyewitnesses described the scene of the execution by burning on 30 May 1431. Tied to a tall pillar at the Vieux-Marché in Rouen, she asked two of the clergy, Fr Martin Ladvenu and Fr Isambart de la Pierre, to hold a crucifix before her. An English soldier also constructed a small cross which she put in the front of her dress. After she died, the English raked back the coals to expose her charred body so that no one could claim she had escaped alive, then burned the body twice more to reduce it to ashes and prevent any collection of relics. They cast her remains into the Seine River.[83] The executioner, Geoffroy Thérage, later stated that he "... greatly feared to be damned."[84]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc


Luke 11:49 Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’








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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22451260 - 10/29/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

OP for what it's worth I think you're alright.

The fact that you are worrying about this is a good sign. It means you have your head on straight, for what you are going through does seem to be frightening.

My experience definitely seems a bit different than yours but not totally unrelated. I think you and I both will make it through this, the real question is how. I definitely sympathize with the "right action" hurting you. I recently volunteered at a homeless type shelter, trying to help out, and it was great...but I pretty much had more in common with the homeless people coming there for help moreso than the people working there. And I'd been there before, never felt like that. It was jarring to say the least.

Douglas I don't think anyone here is doubting the existence of the Divine or even of God necessarily, but what makes the Bible the ultimate authority for you? I've always been spiritual but frankly it's hard for me to completely accept the bible when there are so many different religious traditions on earth. Hinduism existed for thousands of years as have other religions. Is Christianity more right than them? I think Jesus is awesome and there is a lot of truth in the Bible it just makes me wonder about some kid growing up in a strictly Hindu or other faith family. What if he's never really exposed to Christianity or his original religion is powerful enough in his mind that he doesn't really consider it. Does this mean he is damned or unable to experience the full revelation of God's glory?


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: halo]
    #22452071 - 10/30/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

K.Y.E.

it is the key.

you are not this body, you are that which is to become...Holy.

when you tear through the veil, you will become boundless and indefinite and knowledge will be your enemy, because you will find yourself at the center of all things.


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22452426 - 10/30/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Some of the things that are in the scriptures sounds impossible, but some people had experienced some of these impossibles. The ones that had these experiences tries to explain it to others, but the others do mot believe because they hasn't seen it for themselves.




As someone going through 'impossible things' very routinely I know exactly what you mean about trying to rely THAT to someone else, let alone a doc or psychiatrist in my case.  I can open the bible and grasp what is being said here, deny truth there, completely disagree there, then disprove parts otherwise.

I am in touch with angels that have used what I achieved, christ consciousness, to invade my sphere and use it as their own personal mind control paradise.  They won't just allow me to be.  I think this is cultivated then reflected into their world around me by instilling and reinforcing a judgmental attitude in the population regarding xtianity and its non human representatives.

They claim that the whole of them act as what people consider the God and the Devil.  I've been through hell trying to get them to accept that entheogens have their place in religious and world history.


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Grapefruit]
    #22452446 - 10/30/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You must seek God but be very careful of psychedelic drugs and spiritual awakening, they can destroy your chakras if you have not strengthened them properly.




From what I've experienced the bodies energy and the brain can withstand an incredible amount of attack or chaos.  Try filling your heart with cold dense energy by puffing it up into a ball with your mind.  That has worked for me.  Doesn't feel like love or anything just stable and hardened.  You can also blow up your chakras like balloons with intent.  You can also learn to feed on other people to supplement your own energy.


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Grapefruit]
    #22452486 - 10/30/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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. . . I am shaking and the more it gets destroyed the more I feel love withering away in me and satanic thoughts and feeling overcoming me, they are truly dark, darker than any normal case of psychosis. I was a pathological narcissist and this kind of thing was not meant for me.





From personal experience, taking a 8-10min cold shower has helped me remain grounded when a dark, evil energy tries to overtake me. It's not a long-term fix, but helps immediately.

You can do heart chakra meditation / work to recover the loving energy; it's not hopeless.


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #22494974 - 11/08/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I feel like I have some sort of energy leakage in my stomach area and my asshole itches a lot.  I'm not having butt sex and I take showers.  Feels like my energy's all fucked up.


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Grapefruit]
    #22494992 - 11/08/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I ended up in the psych ward.  I am not crazy.






im sorry, but that all sounds crazy to me.



ive said before everyone who joins this site is mentally ill so dont feel bad.


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22495265 - 11/08/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The enuma elish is the real history :lol:

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When in the height heaven was not named,
And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
And the primeval Apsu, who begat them,
And chaos, Tiamut, the mother of them both
Their waters were mingled together,
And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
When of the gods none had been called into being,
And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained;
Then were created the gods in the midst of heaven,
Lahmu and Lahamu were called into being...
Ages increased,...
Then Ansar and Kisar were created, and over them....
Long were the days, then there came forth.....
Anu, their son,...
Ansar and Anu...
And the god Anu...
Nudimmud, whom his fathers, his begetters.....
Abounding in all wisdom,...'
He was exceeding strong...
He had no rival -
Thus were established and were... the great gods.
But Tiamat and Apsu were still in confusion...
They were troubled and...
In disorder...
Apru was not diminished in might...
And Tiamat roared...
She smote, and their deeds...
Their way was evil...
Then Apsu, the begetter of the great gods,
Cried unto Mummu, his minister, and said unto him:
"O Mummu, thou minister that rejoicest my spirit,
Come, unto Tiamut let us go!
So they went and before Tiamat they lay down,
They consulted on a plan with regard to the gods, their sons.
Apsu opened his mouth and spake,
And unto Tiamut, the glistening one, he addressed the word:
...their way...
By day I can not rest, by night I can not lie down in peace.
But I will destroy their way, I will...
Let there be lamentation, and let us lie down again in peace."
When Tiamat heard these words,
She raged and cried aloud...
She... grievously...,
She uttered a curse, and unto Apsu she spake:
"What then shall we do?
Let their way be made difficult, and let us lie down again in peace."
Mummu answered, and gave counsel unto Apsu,
...and hostile to the gods was the counsel Mummu gave:
Come, their way is strong, but thou shalt destroy it;
Then by day shalt thou have rest, by night shalt thou lie down in peace."
Apsu harkened unto him and his countenance grew bright,
Since he (Mummu) planned evil against the gods his sons.
... he was afraid...,
His knees became weak; they gave way beneath him,
Because of the evil which their first-born had planned.
... their... they altered.
... they...,
Lamentation they sat in sorrow




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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Eggtimer]
    #22508655 - 11/11/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Matthew 14:31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”


Matthew 21:21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done.




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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Grapefruit]
    #22511309 - 11/11/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, since you are the one proclaiming that you are going "mad," (I do not want to be accused of name calling, ad hominems, or whatever else certain moderators look for to ban me), I would share with you that Schizophrenia does have 'flattened affect' as part of its profile. I can understand you trying to get a handle on your symptoms by placing a chakra model over your experience of a flattening of affect. However, (1) the Anahata chakra is a locus of emotional experience in the Subtle Body, the Sukshma Sarira. It is not the deeper Causal Body, the Karana Sarira, which is the Hindu Hridayam (Heart Cave) or the Catholic Sacred Heart, ostensibly a point where God interfaces with the deepest human experiences of personal love (Christian agapé, which is a disinterested warmth - empathic and compassionate). In both of these models, these loci of experience are not physical organs that whither and die. These are concepts that you hold, images that correspond to emotional experiences, but do not allow yourself become convinced by mere concepts. To do so suggests delusion, like those who become convinced that their bodies are crawling with worms, or snakes, or toads, or whatever. Horrible though the thoughts/images may be, they are delusions of the egoic-mind, not metaphysical realities that only YOU can discern.

(2) According to Christian theology, agapé (the type of love that the New Testament uses, not eros, philia, pragma, ludus, or philautia), is a matter of WILL, NOT feeling. Despite whatever form of 'madness' you may be experiencing, you can still exercise love towards others even if there is a relative absence of feelings occurring at this time. So whereas your ordinary mind is becoming disordered, your higher mind (nous) can potentially continue to practice the virtue of compassionate action. Like some of the 'mad' yogis of ancient Tibet, continuance of the practice of compassion will establish your identity in a deeper, truer identity than the ordinary social and professional identities we all hold in our ordinary mind (like brother, friend, teacher, plumber, church deacon, whatever). This identity is a 'life raft' across the treacherous waters of the unconscious psyche that you seem to be traversing.

Yes, it is well known that psychedelics can thin the barrier between the conscious and unconscious allowing uncontrolled contents from the Shadow (unwanted and therefore suppressed and repressed material) to flood the conscious mind. Devils and angels, along with the entire universal reservoir of mythological creatures, good and evil, belong to our unconscious. So in a real psychological sense, the devil and all his demons do live in the darker areas of ALL of our psyches. In your case, and those who experience 'madness' it is like the movie 'The Gate,' where a hole opens in a kid's backyard which leads to Hell. The film is an apt metaphor for everyone's unconscious so don't beat yourself up (no more self-destructive attempts :nono:). It's not a personal attack by the devil on YOU. That is part of the delusional nature of these cognitive illnesses.


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22513662 - 11/12/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Regarding the unconscious and how different drugs, traumas, illnesses, etc. can remove one's defences/programming from accessing it, I do wonder what you would say about the concept of a collective unconscious.

Regardless of the appeal that it holds for some to be able to become more aware of their psyche and the world around them, there is a lot of truth about gazing into the abyss will result in it gazing back.


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    #22515663 - 11/12/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Regarding the unconscious and how different drugs, traumas, illnesses, etc. can remove one's defences/programming from accessing it, I do wonder what you would say about the concept of a collective unconscious.

Regardless of the appeal that it holds for some to be able to become more aware of their psyche and the world around them, there is a lot of truth about gazing into the abyss will result in it gazing back.





I had some 8+ years of Jungian analysis with 2 male and one female Zurich-trained Jungian analysts, and I was interviewed (and rejected) by the Inter-Regional Society of Jungian Analysts (rejected ostensibly because I admitted to using psychedelics). I also took the overflow clients from my 2nd analyst in Miami, which I traded for analytical hours, trained with him in Sand Tray, and I trained in the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator under my 1st analyst in grad school, administering and hand-scoring 1000 MBTIs. I have 100 classroom hours of seminars by Jungian analysts, have read extensively, and I've lectured on, and practiced Jungian dream analysis and Active Imagination over the last 30 years as a psychotherapist.

My clinical practice is hypnotherapy but when one works with the unconscious it is useful to be conversant with and aware of archetypal themes that might emerge, but the stuff I typically deal with are psychological and physical symptoms that result from childhood traumas, even if the events no longer appear to be traumatic to my adult clients. Hypnotic trance - somnambulism - is a rapid method for "bypassing the critical faculty" as the late great hypnotherapist Dave Elman put it. I do not attempt to access the collective unconscious but the personal unconscious, which I call the "subconscious." While not correct, strictly speaking, the word suggests a lowering of the analytical mind's defenses rather than a condition of unconsciousness. I have heard surprise from clients saying, "I heard every word you said," because their preconception was that they would become unconscious, wake up, and have been magickally changed. Freud abandoned hypnosis for his method, but I can often remove a phobia, for example) in 2 sessions. Nobody has the money, time, or incentive to undergo extensive and expensive therapies these days.

Today in fact, my client was disappointed because the headaches his physician gave me permission to treat didn't simply vanish with a proverbial snap of the fingers, or, as he demonstrated with a charm on a cord, by the use of a pendulum. No, his headaches I ascertained resulted from resentment against his wife who treated him passive-aggressively, creating a vicious cycle of his resentment towards her which he suppressed, creating somatic symptoms. He was disappointed when I explained that to break the cycle he had to get past his own resentment first and express emotional, and physical affection towards his wife (something he hadn't done in years). She is an unhappy woman, as any woman who is unloved will be, but she will not attend marriage counseling, so he is the one who must initiate a change in the nature of their relationship. He said he'd try the technique but he remained incredulous, calling it "psycho-babble." I said that as he treated her lovingly, she would reciprocate by slowing her passive-aggression, and he would in turn not be driven up the wall by her behaviors and that his suppressed anger and resentment would dissipate along with his headaches.

It is unwise to seek another person's Shadow, and one does not make a fishing expedition into someone's unconscious to see what one can find. I treat symptoms that are the result of emotional 'thorns' or 'barbs' that were 'stuck' into the psyche of a child and which continued to 'fester' under the surface-mind for years or decades. I 'remove the thorn' so-to-speak, and place a healing 'balm' of objective positive affirmations over the 'wound' caused by a painful ego-dystonic lie that had been causing the symptoms. Jungians tend to 'Jungianize' clients just as Freudians 'Freudianize' their clients. All of these stratas exist in the psyche, the collective being perhaps the most interesting thematically, but unfortunately, I have seen it most often in psychotic individuals who have identified with an archetype and have come to believe that they are a messiah, are pursued by some supernatural entities, or who believe themselves a descendent of some supernatural race, the Nephilim for example. Yesterday I received a call from someone (too far away from my location), who wanted to recover memories of his abduction by a UFO. :shrug: I am reminded of Jung's work Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies.


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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #22542413 - 11/18/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

And your point is with regard to this subject? Seems like a disconnect, but, I have experienced "ring-like-a-bell-in-the-head" telepathy (Gertrude Schmeidler's expression) some 7 times in my life - on acid and straight. I had a precognitive dream when I was about 14, and when I've been VERY emotionally upset on four occasions, I apparently had an effect on many of the functions of my car's electrical system twice (both when I almost lost my career job several years apart), once on a girlfriend's first trip with me (and I began to sweat profusely) my CD player (which still works 23 years later) began to malfunction, opening and closing randomly on its own (never happened before or since), and when I put my beloved canine friend ben to sleep, the Genie® garage door opener failed to function for 2 days after I brought him home to bury him in the back yard. Then it spontaneously began operating again without reset or anything when my grief began to abate. I would add that after 16 years of maintenance, my pool began to turn green for the first time and no matter what chemicals I added, it would not clear. At the same time I began to get clear signals that my job (the same one as before, only my 28th year in it) was going to be eliminated. As my anxiety developed, the water became more and more opaquely green. Only after I lost my position, and my initial panic subsided, did the water begin to clear (see Dr. Emoto Masaru's work on the 'intelligence' of water) along with my mind.  Speaking of Japanese thinking, this reminds me of the Zen relationship some people had with Bonzai trees in Japan. My experiences are certainly not provable to others and neither are they as flamboyant as the ones cited in the video, by the Psi functions do exist. I was actually taught by at Long Island University Parapsychologist/Egyptologist Dr. Bob Brier (who worked with and co-published with 'the Father of Parapsychology,' J.B. Rhine). So you're preachin' to the choir. :lol:

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Re: My story - god and the devil are real [Re: Grapefruit]
    #22543832 - 11/18/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My problem is that my chakras are too weak to handle the energy coming from them. It's very strange, I am at a point where I have a completely clear view of how to do right action and so on but the more I engage in right action the more it hurts the system of chakras. It's easy for me to control the chakras and abate the insanity from doing so but the more I do it the more it hurts, the more it destroys the chakra system, they aren't strong enough to handle the pressure on them. I doubt this happens to many people at all. I was very foolish not to see the dangers of what I was doing.

For most people if they get this far they are prepared for it and can keep their ego structure intact while doing it but the walls around mine have mostly broken down now. I'm basically a psychopath who is not a psychopath. I feel flat, dead and emotionless other than the emotions that are coming from the chakras, hence its so easy for me to control what the chakras are doing.

Pretty sure a teacher can't help me, I'm just writing this as a warning really. Just to warn that if you are getting serious pains from psychedelics and spiritual seeking you need to stop doing that right away and go much more slowly. Serious seeking can be truly dangerous. The whole so called spiritual thing is actually governed by physical laws written into the universe that your chakra system is built to respond to and be strengthened by actions. If you destroy those chakras through drug use I think you are in very grave danger.

If it is true that your body is reconstituted in a kind of hell realm between births and deaths, which I think it is. All religions have said it is and IMO they must be based on something real considering they are so similar and also because I see how these chakras work so clearly now. Then the chakras must be kept healthy otherwise you will sink deeper and deeper into hell. I actually don't feel that crazy at all right now, there are no voices or psychosis of any kind, I never expected to come to these conclusions at all. I just know that once the chakras are destroyed all my blocks against it will be gone, forever. It's shit that it's like this :sad:

Of course you will all think that this is the talking of a deluded fool.




Honestly it sounds like you experienced an opening of the chakras for the first time, and you are mistaking hurt with feeling them


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"


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