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sirion
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Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk?
#22435803 - 10/26/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Short backstory: Been waiting for cakes to pin for 3 weeks now. 4 days ago, based on Shroomery advice, I re-dunked my cakes and got them back in the SGFC. I'm keeping them sparkly and misted, and haven't seen any evidence of pinning yet. (last thread about this here)
Seems like it might still be early to give up on these cakes, but just so I know..is there a way to start over without new syringes? I'm in CA so getting syringes is challenging.
(Side note: My FC is smelling a bit musty. It has been for a while [maybe a couple of weeks of very slight must], though no one's spotted signs of contamination on my cakes in my prior threads. I'll post some pics, including one cake I noticed seems to have a little green that wasn't there before..
Edited by sirion (10/26/15 12:43 PM)
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Buck513
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: sirion]
#22435993 - 10/26/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's kind of hard to tell from the pics but one thing I am noticing is your hole configuration. They're supposed to be in a grid pattern but it looks like you drilled them somewhat randomly.
How much perlite is in there?
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: Buck513]
#22436001 - 10/26/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mist them lightly? I don't think randomly drilling holes has any different effect.
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: Arush]
#22436015 - 10/26/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It certainly does. That's why they have teks on how to make SGFC. That's like saying having a SGFC on the ground doesn't effect it either lol
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: Arush]
#22436023 - 10/26/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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you can take all your cakes and put them in a ziplock and finely crumble them and use the cake crumbles as spawn for bulk trays, tubs whatever.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18657404#18657404
just keep your spawn to substrate ratios close, 1:4 to 1:1 is good.
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: 13shrooms]
#22436472 - 10/26/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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@Buck: Just measured 3". You think making a new SGFC with twice as much perlite might make the difference between pins and no pins?
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: sirion]
#22436777 - 10/26/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
sirion said: @Buck: Just measured 3". You think making a new SGFC with twice as much perlite might make the difference between pins and no pins?
Lol no.
Humidity isn't as important as FEA. More humidity doesn't man faster/more pins.
Pinning quickly or more pins depends on a lot. Like genetics, Bacteria or no bacteria, proper FEA, 1 - 2 week consolidation period ect...
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: JacobStorm]
#22436854 - 10/26/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it feasible I have some bacteria going on that's preventing pinning? If so, anything I can do about it now?
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: sirion]
#22437114 - 10/26/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The only bacteria that would do that is bacteria that would have taken over the mycelium long ago. Be patient. It will fruit.
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: JacobStorm]
#22437143 - 10/26/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you have holes in your lid and bottom? And idk about doubling up the perlite, but another inch or two couldn't hurt...and you say you are keeping up on misting, and it may just be the pics but they look dry bro.
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22437174 - 10/26/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, holes are in the top and bottom. I'm misting almost to the point of standing water on the cakes (there's one cake that has a concave top to it and generally I try to make sure not to mist when I see a puddle on top of that cake).
I remember reading that smell is a big deal. Should I just ignore the musty smell? (And is that the only thing i *can* do?)
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: sirion]
#22437190 - 10/26/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Might want to ease up on the misting. I would recommend misting only when the cakes look dry, you need to get a good cycle of water evaporating off the cakes to get pinning. This post has great pics of the various stages of misting cakes: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21595437
Musty smell might just be from everything being super wet. Keep an eye out for any new weird looking spots though, could be the start of a mold/bacterial issue.
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: psilobob]
#22438239 - 10/26/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does this count as a weird spot?
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: sirion]
#22438280 - 10/26/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think FAE is an issuse.
Do u havee any fans running in your room?
Maybe a open window or drafty breeze?
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sirion
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22438347 - 10/26/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, no fans or open windows. AC runs and keeps house at 72 or so, but it's pretty intermittent. Also I'm fanning 4x/day..
That said, I last misted around 6 hours ago and I'm seeing this:

I *think* it's non-evaporated mist, rather than new condensation, and it's only on the top half of the walls. Useful information? Any recommended course of action?
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sirion
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: sirion]
#22438350 - 10/26/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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(Also, what's making you think FAE's an issue? Would be helpful for the learning process)
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22438363 - 10/26/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said: I think FAE is an issuse.
Do u havee any fans running in your room?
Maybe a open window or drafty breeze?
FAE is an issue in an sgfc with some cakes in it? Wut. No way. SGFC is like the FAE king. Doubt the random hole drilling has much impact unless the number of holes is significantly off.
Given the amount of stress those cakes have gone through, multiple dunks, drying out, and possibly smell, I don't think spawning them would be wise at this stage of the game. That's asking them to double to quadruple their mycellial mass after ripping apart the network.
I really can't tell how wet they are. Wish I could give some insite on which direction you want to take it. I would expect them to pin pretty rapidly once they hit appropriate fruiting conditions, since they've been sitting there wanting to for weeks. Could just be that a bit more patience is required.
If the surface mycellium was really damaged by the drying, perhaps slicing the cakes in half to expose fresh mycellium for fruiting and putting some field capacity verm ontop could get them going. I think that'd be a lot less traumatic than crumbling/grating.
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: sirion]
#22438369 - 10/26/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mist the cakes directly and stop fanning altogether...mist them until the glisten with moisture...get that verm good and saturated...and seriously stop fanning,...when they say mist and fan, it is a good misting directly on the cakes, then swipe the lid once or twice directly after misting...then put the lid on and walk away.
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22438426 - 10/27/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are they getting any indirect or ambient light? I'm not sure how much they need (in terms of intensity or duration), but cakes do need some like to begin to pin.
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sirion
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Re: Can I take non-pinning PFTEK cakes and use them to make new cakes? Or switch them to bulk? [Re: ranman]
#22438472 - 10/27/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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@ranman: They're right near a California window, so they're getting 11 hours of sunlight a day. Lid is opaque, so it's coming through the sides, generally indirect but still plenty of light.
@Machiavelliavore: The cakes are wet, and have been fairly consistently wet since I did the dunk 4 days ago.
The slicing open thing is certainly intriguing..I haven't heard that idea before. Is there any additional information I can supply? Hell, I could grab a video if it's useful.
@LocN9ne: They're fairly consistently glistening with moisture. I haven't let them get any less hydrated than that since I dunked them 4 days ago. Why the suggestion to stop fanning?
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