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Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF
#22434399 - 10/26/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/25/investing/oil-prices-saudi-arabia-cash-opec-middle-east/index.html?sr=twcnnbrk102515oilpricessaudiarabiacashopecmiddleeast512pStoryMoneyPhoto
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Saudi Arabia is getting squeezed
Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer, needs to sell oil at around $106 to balance its budget, according to IMF estimates. The kingdom barely has enough fiscal buffers to survive five years of $50 oil, the IMF said.
barrels of oil are going for about 45$ down from 100 last year. what caused oil to go down this year anyway? i can only hope that it pretty much stays that way personally. 4 bucks for a gallon of gas is awful
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: 404]
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Sounds like a Call To Arms.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Chakanooga]
#22434538 - 10/26/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wasn't it the Saudis' plan to drop the price of oil on their end to hurt the American oil production?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: abltsandwich]
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that's what i thought as well... looks like it backfired
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: 404]
#22434555 - 10/26/15 02:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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maybe they are liquidating and going to switch over to solar panels instead
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: makaveli8x8]
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i dunno how that would make sense, selling a product at half the price it's worth and losing money on it so you can invest in new tech and infrastructure?
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#22434774 - 10/26/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck 'em. Not only do they fund many terror groups, we have new sources of oil now, They damn sure ain't our friends.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: 404]
#22435047 - 10/26/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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404 said: i dunno how that would make sense, selling a product at half the price it's worth and losing money on it so you can invest in new tech and infrastructure?
"Emerging Asian markets"... none of that is in China... I hope oil falls on its head. Saudi Arabia isn't going to go poor or anything. OPEC is a joke anyway. We are fracking the shit out of our land just to tighten the grip on their throats.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Adden]
#22435057 - 10/26/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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whoops spent all the money on old palaces and forgot to put anything toward growing a stable diversified economy People are sick of dealing with the middle east for oil. Now that the money was there to tap other sources other sources have been tapped and at the same time europe is bankrupt and china's big hot air ballon is letting off steam and suadis are low on money. flooding the market with cheap oil in an effort to undercut everyone after bein an asshole from the start looks like is def backfiring.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22435078 - 10/26/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aug 20, 2015
OPEC next gathers December 4 in Vienna, just over a year since Saudi Oil Minister Ali Al-Naimi announced at the previous OPEC winter meeting the Saudi decision to let the oil market determine oil prices rather than to continue Saudi Arabia’s role of guarantor of $100+/bbl oil.
Despite the intense financial and economic pain this decision has inflicted on Saudi Arabia, its fellow OPEC members, and other oil producers, the Saudis have given no indication they plan to alter course. In fact, Saudis have downplayed the impact of lower prices on their country, asserting that the kingdom has the financial wherewithal to withstand lower oil prices.
Presumably swayed by Saudi equanimity, financial markets do not see the Saudis abandoning their current policy before, during, or after the upcoming OPEC meeting. CME Brent oil futures project continuity: as of August 18, 2015, CME Brent futures projected the price remaining below $60/bbl until June 2017. A CNBC poll of oil traders, analysts, and major fund investors, aired on CNBC August 17, showed 95 percent believing the Saudis will not alter course.
Are the futures market, CNBC’s oil traders, analysts, and major fund investors, and others, being lulled into an unjustified consensus?
The damage the Saudi decision has inflicted on Saudi Arabia itself provides reasons for the Saudis to change course.
Saudi Policy: OPEC-centric or Self-Serving?
Stresses within OPEC should add to the pressure on the Saudis to rethink their strategy. The Saudis sold their change to their fellow OPEC members as being in OPEC’s general interest. They asserted that the their traditional method of stabilizing the oil market, production cuts, would not work since non-OPEC producers would increase output; second, that “market” forces would reduce investment and therefore increase prices in the medium and longer term and ultimately benefit all OPEC members; and third, that any Saudi increase in output was aimed at defending its market share, not reducing theirs.
As the first anniversary of the Saudi decision approaches, it would be reasonable for OPEC outsiders–OPEC members, other than the Saudis and their Gulf Arab allies, Kuwait, UAE, and Qatar—to interpret Saudi policy shift as designed to serve Saudi interests and those of its Gulf Arab allies rather than their interests and those of OPEC in general.
“Market” forces include many components. A key component—perhaps the key component—is a country’s capability, at a minimum, to maintain output, and better yet, to increase output. Financial wherewithal is the foundation of this component. Saudi and Gulf Arab OPEC members’ foreign currency reserves and sovereign wealth funds (SWF) comprise approximately 78 percent of total OPEC member holdings, $2.73 trillion of $3.05 trillion.
The following table, which ranks OPEC members on a per capital basis, shows that only five OPEC members—four of which are Saudi Arabia and its three Gulf Arab allies--have total financial resources exceeding twenty thousand dollars per capita. (The UAE includes data for three SWF funds only: Abu Dhabi Investment Authority ($773 billion), Abu Dhabi Investment Council ($110 billion), and Investment Corporation of Dubai ($183 billion).
More here. Bank of America doesn't think OPEC is going to last, but not long ago Bank of America almost lost it all.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Adden] 2
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Islamic extremism (Saudi Arabia) is simply not compatible with long term economic success/stability. Instead of converting all that oil wealth into a diversified flourishing economy filled with innovative companies and free thinking leaders, they build the most lavish palaces, fund theologic brainwashing and pay off their population to be submissive and obedient.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Adden] 3
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Awwww, the poor Saudis....
That's what you get for having hundreds of thousands of air conditioned tents and not letting a single Syrian use them
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Patlal]
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The fact that analysts are saying that they arent going to defence and police funding because they are afraid of another arab spring jus shows you the state of things.
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that was my thought as well, now they wont be able to abandon their lamboghinis and bugattis in parking lots all over the country when they get bored with them, they'll have to resort to abandoning lotuses and mercedes
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Good, fuck 'em, inhuman pieces of decadent hicks.
They could have gone down so many paths, each with a sustainable future for their nation and their children, but they where like: Nah, fuck it, let's become even more degenerate than the Euro-American and Asian rich combined.
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Turtletotem said: Good, fuck 'em, inhuman pieces of decadent hicks.
They could have gone down so many paths, each with a sustainable future for their nation and their children, but they where like: Nah, fuck it, let's become even more degenerate than the Euro-American and Asian rich combined.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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With all that Iranian oil coming to market soon, even more pressure on the Saudis ...
If the US would simply capture all that natural gas we flare every year, we've be able to supply Europe and put even more pressure on the Russians an Saudis.
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I thought hippies where all lovey-dovey peace on earth, but alright, you win a nice big kiss mate.
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More fun on the horizon for the Saudis ...
ISIS coming to a neighborhood inside you!
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: With all that Iranian oil coming to market soon, even more pressure on the Saudis ...
If the US would simply capture all that natural gas we flare every year, we've be able to supply Europe and put even more pressure on the Russians an Saudis.
The thing is america can't jus go around being an economic bully its not fair to other places that already struggle on their own.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Turtletotem]
#22435160 - 10/26/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought hippies where all lovey-dovey peace on earth
no, hippies are pure, unadulterated evil, they hate everything but other hippies, they hate big oil, they hate big corporations other than when the buy a new iphone, they hate the pharmaceutical industry until they get their hands on the drugs, but then they hate them again with a quickness, they hate government and the police but most of all, they all hate The Man®, I dont know who he is but he probably feels terrible with all those bad vibes coming his way
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but alright, you win a nice big kiss mate.
great... I'll never get the smell off
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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KauaiOrca said: With all that Iranian oil coming to market soon, even more pressure on the Saudis ...
If the US would simply capture all that natural gas we flare every year, we've be able to supply Europe and put even more pressure on the Russians an Saudis.
The thing is america can't jus go around being an economic bully its not fair to other places that already struggle on their own.
yeah, we can actually and that's what makes America great
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22435168 - 10/26/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no we cant ppl get pissed off plus its not fair n stuff
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#22435171 - 10/26/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: no we cant ppl get pissed off plus its not fair n stuff
We're flaring nearly half of all the natural gas that comes out of the ground in the US ... pure waste of a resource Europe needs.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: no we cant ppl get pissed off plus its not fair n stuff
they're already pissed off because 'Murca
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22435175 - 10/26/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: no we cant ppl get pissed off plus its not fair n stuff
We're flaring nearly half of all the natural gas that comes out of the ground in the US ... pure waste of a resource Europe needs.
are you proposing they bottle it and sell it to the EU?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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so we waste a ton of crap its how we control the markets food minerals u name it.
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I thought hippies where all lovey-dovey peace on earth
no, hippies are pure, unadulterated evil, they hate everything but other hippies, they hate big oil, they hate big corporations other than when the buy a new iphone, they hate the pharmaceutical industry until they get their hands on the drugs, but then they hate them again with a quickness, they hate government and the police but most of all, they all hate The Man®, I dont know who he is but he probably feels terrible with all those bad vibes coming his way
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: no we cant ppl get pissed off plus its not fair n stuff
they're already pissed off because 'Murca
"They" are pissed off for a lot of reasons ... some legitimate, some not.
Globalism has consequences both positive and negative. To really understand how the US has used predatory capitalism, a great book is "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man."
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: no we cant ppl get pissed off plus its not fair n stuff
they're already pissed off because 'Murca
"They" are pissed off for a lot of reasons ... some legitimate, some not.
legitimate reasons such as they arent america and they're twats with entitlement issues
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they're already pissed off because 'Murca
"They" are pissed off for a lot of reasons ... some legitimate, some not.
legitimate reasons such as they arent america and they're twats with entitlement issues
 Says an American, the most entitled people on earth! America! It's like the Roman Empire... on meth! America! Jesus wants you to be wealthy! America! You are just like us and you hate it!
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 Says an American, the most entitled people on earth! America! It's like the Roman Empire... on meth! America! Jesus wants you to be wealthy! America! You are just like us and you hate it! 
oh god no, you've got us all wrong. we get our shit the old fashioned way, through graft, corruption, theft, and intimidation... haters gonna hate
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nah man we got our shit from hard work. Just because we have a ton of money doesnt mean it came from nothing. you cant leverage nothing. People in this country have worked really hard for a long time to build what we have and ypur damn right we feel entitled to it and fight to protect it. Just because we fuck up places that dont want to play ball with the rest of the world doesnt make us an evil empire.
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already knows what go ahead tell me what i dont know please
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that the self entitles europeans wanna be us
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that the self entitles europeans wanna be us
I really doubt you spend much time in Europe ... if you did, you'd know this statement is pure BS. Europeans, for the most part, do not want to be like Americans or live in America.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: already knows what go ahead tell me what i dont know please 
that the self entitles europeans wanna be us
I really doubt you spend much time in Europe ... if you did, you'd know this statement is pure BS. Europeans, for the most part, do not want to be like Americans or live in America.
It is true about everyother developed country. Why downgrade?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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europeans are weird as fuck they'll like shit on america all day and then come over and be like holy fuck you guys are awesome and then go back and shit on america. But its usually really dumb things like "america is so dumb they have too many things and actually feed people." most my italian cousins pretty much say they love italy but its so fucked up. Pretty much everyone i talk to from europe says the same thing. "oh its beautiful living here but theres no work" LOL Euroupes been trying to live on americas level for a while now its why theyre broke now. They are also quick with excuses and to blame everyone but themselfs especially big bad america. LOL
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: already knows what go ahead tell me what i dont know please 
that the self entitles europeans wanna be us
I really doubt you spend much time in Europe ... if you did, you'd know this statement is pure BS. Europeans, for the most part, do not want to be like Americans or live in America.
oh, they absolutely do
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no, hippies are pure, unadulterated evil, they hate big oil, they hate big corporations, they hate the pharmaceutical industry, they hate government and the police but most of all, they all hate The Man®
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22435330 - 10/26/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: already knows what go ahead tell me what i dont know please 
that the self entitles europeans wanna be us
I really doubt you spend much time in Europe ... if you did, you'd know this statement is pure BS. Europeans, for the most part, do not want to be like Americans or live in America.
oh, they absolutely do
Obviously some do, but most definitely not most.
Have you ever lived in Europe?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Turtletotem]
#22435348 - 10/26/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: You can't see it, cuz you're in it, but everybody else knows already.
More like sour grapes in most cases. How do you think your state of affairs would be in Europe with China and Russia ruling the world?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Obviously some do, but most definitely not most.
Have you ever lived in Europe?
I was in central europe for a bit, went a few other places
they all still wanted to be us
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Saudi Arabia without oil revenue is worse than Afghanistan.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: oh god no, you've got us all wrong. we get our shit the old fashioned way, through graft, corruption, theft, and intimidation... haters gonna hate
Sounds pretty much European to me. Have a look, what colour skin you people wearing. That's right, it's European coloured. What language you speaking, sounds European to me. Guess that makes you, mostly, European. Just think yourselves fucking lucky that you were 'found' by northern Europeans rather than the useless idle twats that 'found' the southern part of your remote continent.
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Turtletotem said: You can't see it, cuz you're in it, but everybody else knows already.
More like sour grapes in most cases. How do you think your state of affairs would be in Europe with China and Russia ruling the world? 
To answer one stupid question with another. How do you think your state of affairs would be in America if it had been 're-discovered' by China or Russia, rather than the (northern) Europeans?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: koods]
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Why do you guys think Saudi Arabia will be fucked?
Sure they usee oil to pay for all government services, they also don't tax any of their citizens (or barely).
All they have to do is create a tax system and they'll raise enough cash to make it. Sure they'll have to cut the useless luxuries but in the end they'll be just like any other country...
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Patlal]
#22435472 - 10/26/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Why do you guys think Saudi Arabia will be fucked?
Sure they usee oil to pay for all government services, they also don't tax any of their citizens (or barely).
All they have to do is create a tax system and they'll raise enough cash to make it. Sure they'll have to cut the useless luxuries but in the end they'll be just like any other country...
That equals revolution. The house of Saud would fall.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22435477 - 10/26/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Why do you guys think Saudi Arabia will be fucked?
Sure they usee oil to pay for all government services, they also don't tax any of their citizens (or barely).
All they have to do is create a tax system and they'll raise enough cash to make it. Sure they'll have to cut the useless luxuries but in the end they'll be just like any other country...
That equals revolution. The house of Saud would fall.
So essentially, they will be like the rest of the middle east. In revolt.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: deucedbi9]
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Yeh we like fought a whole war to denouce our european roots but ok pal. America is a haven for many people that come from all over the world. Americas best and brightest are the worlds best and brightest. Were not european thats for damn sure.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: deucedbi9]
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Sounds pretty much European to me. Have a look, what colour skin you people wearing. That's right, it's European coloured. What language you speaking, sounds European to me. Guess that makes you, mostly, European. Just think yourselves fucking lucky that you were 'found' by northern Europeans rather than the useless idle twats that 'found' the southern part of your remote continent.
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Turtletotem said: You can't see it, cuz you're in it, but everybody else knows already.
More like sour grapes in most cases. How do you think your state of affairs would be in Europe with China and Russia ruling the world? 
To answer one stupid question with another. How do you think your state of affairs would be in America if it had been 're-discovered' by China or Russia, rather than the (northern) Europeans?
Do you have a point? I already made mine.
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#22435507 - 10/26/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anytime anything bad happens to the Saudis

Just recently a prince Charming of Arabia, had chargers dropped for beating / raping there maids. Why cause what Pris said .
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: trekie]
#22435512 - 10/26/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22435567 - 10/26/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Saudis were and always have been a bunch of backward, stone age fanatics and it's exactly what they'll revert back to when the wells finally run dry.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Patlal]
#22435582 - 10/26/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Why do you guys think Saudi Arabia will be fucked?
Sure they usee oil to pay for all government services, they also don't tax any of their citizens (or barely).
All they have to do is create a tax system and they'll raise enough cash to make it. Sure they'll have to cut the useless luxuries but in the end they'll be just like any other country...
Taxing is forbidden in the Koran.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: qman]
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Prisoner#1 said: oh god no, you've got us all wrong. we get our shit the old fashioned way, through graft, corruption, theft, and intimidation... haters gonna hate
Sounds pretty much European to me. Have a look, what colour skin you people wearing. That's right, it's European coloured. What language you speaking, sounds European to me. Guess that makes you, mostly, European. Just think yourselves fucking lucky that you were 'found' by northern Europeans rather than the useless idle twats that 'found' the southern part of your remote continent.
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Turtletotem said: You can't see it, cuz you're in it, but everybody else knows already.
More like sour grapes in most cases. How do you think your state of affairs would be in Europe with China and Russia ruling the world? 
To answer one stupid question with another. How do you think your state of affairs would be in America if it had been 're-discovered' by China or Russia, rather than the (northern) Europeans?
Do you have a point? I already made mine.
What was your point? "More like sour grapes in most cases." This was you point?
The post you quoted, and I requote here, I believe, adequately sums up my fuckin point.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: deucedbi9]
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Some European said the US was an "evil empire", I asked them how would the state of affairs be in Europe if Russia or China was a superpower, it's a very simple question. My guess, you don't like the answer.
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#22435937 - 10/26/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not so sure that China would be a worse superpower than the US has been lately. Ever since the cold war is over the US has gotten more and more unreasonable in its foreign policies.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Asante]
#22435951 - 10/26/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: I'm not so sure that China would be a worse superpower than the US has been lately. Ever since the cold war is over the US has gotten more and more unreasonable in its foreign policies.
That kinda depends on where you live. Talk to people from Japan, S. Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan and Singapore about how they feel toward China's military and you'll hear a different answer than what concerns us in the West.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
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Talk to people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Palestine about the American military and you'd get a similar answer.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Asante]
#22436063 - 10/26/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: Talk to people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Palestine about the American military and you'd get a similar answer.
Oil has been the cause of most of America's bad foreign policy decisions and actions over lat 50 years.
There is so much more opportunity for America if we focus on THE AMERICA'S ... and not the Middle East and Asia. Plenty of resources, labor, a far more compatible belief system and let's face it, there are millions of gorgeous latinas out there too!
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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This whole thread is all for naught....anyone that thinks big oil (Exxon, Shell,or whoever) will let oil stay at $45.00 a barrel is taking way too many psychs. Ain't gonna happen. Exxon just pulled out of the Arctic because the cost to extract oil from those vast reserves under the sea was not worth the trouble. They couldn't justify it at current prices.
A shit ton of oil related projects including the keystone pipeline will disintegrate because of the costs of extracting that oil from the tarsands in Canada will not be profitable at current prices. $45.00 a barrel will not be here long...enjoy it while we have it. They will find a way to gradually push up these low prices.....they always have in the past.
The only thing that will possibly keep prices low will be low demand and, although cheap extraction of hydrogen and cheaper, more efficient and cleaner energy sources will eventually come....I don't see that happening in the near future.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Thayendanegea]
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They were pulling oil workers and welders etc out of North Dakota for the past year or so. A lot of six figure jobs just fell from sight. People would commute 90 minutes twice a day or do 10 days on 5 days off. The same people who five years ago bragged about their "benefits and retirement by age 45". At least some people got on the gravy train while it lasted.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Thayendanegea said: This whole thread is all for naught....anyone that thinks big oil (Exxon, Shell,or whoever) will let oil stay at $45.00 a barrel is taking way too many psychs. Ain't gonna happen. Exxon just pulled out of the Arctic because the cost to extract oil from those vast reserves under the sea was not worth the trouble. They couldn't justify it at current prices.
A shit ton of oil related projects including the keystone pipeline will disintegrate because of the costs of extracting that oil from the tarsands in Canada will not be profitable at current prices. $45.00 a barrel will not be here long...enjoy it while we have it. They will find a way to gradually push up these low prices.....they always have in the past.
The only thing that will possibly keep prices low will be low demand and, although cheap extraction of hydrogen and cheaper, more efficient and cleaner energy sources will eventually come....I don't see that happening in the near future.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: abltsandwich]
#22438293 - 10/26/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Wasn't it the Saudis' plan to drop the price of oil on their end to hurt the American oil production?
That is still what they are doing. Not just USA but Norway, Canada, Russia etc. If they can hold out for five years they will pretty much wipe out the industry in those places. We can't just start up the day after the price goes up either it requires years of pre planning logistics and pre construction, permits, hiring etc. Right now projects are on hold and will be cancelled outright if this keeps up. In 5 years the Saudis will be able to charge whatever they want for oil. The rest of the world will just be playing catch up. By the time they get the infrastructure built the saudis can just drop price again. I almost think it's time to invade the fuckers to put a stop to it. At least in the oil town I live in rents on apartments are dropping. Prices on hookers are going down too, or um so i hear. This is going to be bad for economic health of Canada overall though. Cheaper gas stimulates economy but oil is still vital here. I don't work in the industry but I buy a lot of stuff from the USA and our dollar just keeps falling.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: koods]
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which means absolutely nothing to me
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Talk to people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Palestine about the American military and you'd get a similar answer.
have you talked to them? I'm sure somalis loved starving to death to make sure the warlords could eat
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Asante said: I'm not so sure that China would be a worse superpower than the US has been lately. Ever since the cold war is over the US has gotten more and more unreasonable in its foreign policies.
US Foreign policy went astray right after world war 2. It started when the US refused to back their ally ho Chi minh who wanted to establish a republic like the United in Vietnam.
But no, we had to help the French Fried Faggots, and so our horrible policy decision led to the mindless vietnam war.
And Europe? Fuck Europe. Next time Germany invades any of the countries we won't save their asses.
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Asante said: Talk to people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Palestine about the American military and you'd get a similar answer.
have you talked to them? I'm sure somalis loved starving to death to make sure the warlords could eat
I have talked to people from those countries, except Afghans. A lot of Europeans have talked to people from those places, because when they flee, this is where they go! 
They do not like the US militairy one bit, and I can't say I blame them.
Hell, I know two Iraqi guys who are still confused why their country had to be ruined, they had it pretty good and now they live below minimum wage in a cold-ass country while the barbarians are overrunning their homelands.
And let's not even talk about overthrowing democratic goverments because Americans wanted acces to cheap banana's or some shit like that.
Now none of this is your fault, or your childrens, but god damn, you can't even discuss such things with most Americans, because the chanting, flag-waving and chestbeating just takes over and poop gets flung everywhere!
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See? Nuts!
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Turtletotem]
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have you talked to them? I'm sure somalis loved starving to death to make sure the warlords could eat
I have talked to people from those countries, except Afghans. A lot of Europeans have talked to people from those places, because when they flee, this is where they go! 
They do not like the US militairy one bit, and I can't say I blame them.
Hell, I know two Iraqi guys who are still confused why their country had to be ruined, they had it pretty good and now they live below minimum wage in a cold-ass country while the barbarians are overrunning their homelands.
And let's not even talk about overthrowing democratic goverments because Americans wanted acces to cheap banana's or some shit like that.
Now none of this is your fault, or your childrens, but god damn, you can't even discuss such things with most Americans, because the chanting, flag-waving and chestbeating just takes over and poop gets flung everywhere!
it would seem that your experiences are very different than my own, is it possible that they're playing to the crowds, "oh, the americans were so terrible for us, we loved saddam so very much, he was a great man" versus "saddam was a ruthless dictator, it's good that he was removed from power"
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that was a long fucking time ago bud shit was alottt different back then. Your talking right after WWII bud. I mean thats like bringing up the philipines or some shit. Fucking people just straight thought differently back then. We alrady said we were sorry for that jeez WHAT DO YOU WANT.
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have you talked to them? I'm sure somalis loved starving to death to make sure the warlords could eat
I have talked to people from those countries, except Afghans. A lot of Europeans have talked to people from those places, because when they flee, this is where they go! 
They do not like the US militairy one bit, and I can't say I blame them.
Hell, I know two Iraqi guys who are still confused why their country had to be ruined, they had it pretty good and now they live below minimum wage in a cold-ass country while the barbarians are overrunning their homelands.
And let's not even talk about overthrowing democratic goverments because Americans wanted acces to cheap banana's or some shit like that.
Now none of this is your fault, or your childrens, but god damn, you can't even discuss such things with most Americans, because the chanting, flag-waving and chestbeating just takes over and poop gets flung everywhere!
it would seem that your experiences are very different than my own, is it possible that they're playing to the crowds, "oh, the americans were so terrible for us, we loved saddam so very much, he was a great man" versus "saddam was a ruthless dictator, it's good that he was removed from power"
nah most iraqi people ive talk to said shit like "oh yeh i mean saddam kinda sucked but atleast there wasnt missles blowing up my house. combat zones and forigne military checkpoints on every block"
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so their problem is with the UN but they blame the US
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their problem is people coming in and fucking everything up
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Their "problem" is a centuries old legacy belief system and mindset that prevents peaceful democracy from taking root ... Instead, they are drawn to religiously "credible" iron fisted leaders and dictators that bludgeon them into submission.
That's reality.
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Why were we in iraq dewd? Americans died behind that shit and we stomped a whole shithole country of people into the dust. Why?
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Iraq = oil.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: their problem is people coming in and fucking everything up
Their "problem" is a centuries old legacy belief system and mindset that prevents peaceful democracy from taking root ... Instead, they are drawn to religiously "credible" iron fisted leaders and dictators that bludgeon them into submission.
That's reality.
that might be true but old brute force tactics clearly dont change the minds of old tribal leaders the young people see the truth our hope lies in them. We knew the war we'd end up fighting because bush didnt get the troops he needed in the start. there wasnt a need for any of it. instead we've created more discord and anti american sentiment in the region. you think the little kid whos parents your tax dollars killed is gonna grow up loving america as a liberator? I cant wait to get these fossils out of power.
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how about you tell us why we were in iraq
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Iraq = oil.
false
we imported 4% of iraq's oil to the US prior to 1990, after the war started we imported less than 1%
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had something to do with intelligence or lack there of
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Iraq = oil.
false
we imported 4% of iraq's oil to the US prior to 1990, after the war started we imported less than 1%
Yep ... another GWB and gang screw up. We didn't get the oil and oil didn't pay for the war. Good catch.
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Anyone with eyes could see that saddam ruled with an iron fist and was mostly bluffing so to not look weak to iran. Why knock him out whats the endgame?
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i doubt it was oil we gots that shit on reserve
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no. it had to do with a surrender agreement that saddam signed when the UN stepped into iraq the first time during the 15 day war
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Iraq = oil.
false
we imported 4% of iraq's oil to the US prior to 1990, after the war started we imported less than 1%
Yep ... another GWB and gang screw up. We didn't get the oil and oil didn't pay for the war. Good catch.
your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.
now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads, new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k
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your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.
now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads, new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k
Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil. If you can't see that you're very naive.
The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.
It was a shitty plan. Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war. GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: had something to do with intelligence or lack there of
no. it had to do with a surrender agreement that saddam signed when the UN stepped into iraq the first time during the 15 day war
you mean when the UN tried to sort things out diplomatically and the Bush went againts the world and public sentiment and invaded any way? I that what your talking about?
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I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.
now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads, new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k
Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil. If you can't see that you're very naive.
to the contrary, why are we still getting less oil than we did 20 years ago
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The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.
70% of Iraq's oil was going to europe, now a lot more goes to china instead
now, just so you know, this 'invasion plan' wasnt a bush brainchild, it belonged to clinton who said the exact same shit as bush about WMDs and an inevitable war with Iraq. clinton bombed Iraq for 7 of his 8 years on office, he took a short break during 1996 so he could run for president again
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It was a shitty plan. Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war. GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.
you dont even know what it was about or what was going on
http://www.wired.com/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
It was a major miscalculation, but it wasn't about getting Cheney rich.
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your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.
now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads, new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k
Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil. If you can't see that you're very naive.
to the contrary, why are we still getting less oil than we did 20 years ago
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The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.
70% of Iraq's oil was going to europe, now a lot more goes to china instead
now, just so you know, this 'invasion plan' wasnt a bush brainchild, it belonged to clinton who said the exact same shit as bush about WMDs and an inevitable war with Iraq. clinton bombed Iraq for 7 of his 8 years on office, he took a short break during 1996 so he could run for president again
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It was a shitty plan. Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war. GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.
you dont even know what it was about or what was going on
http://www.wired.com/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/
You're actually describing what a screw up the entire Bush plan was. The plan was to lock down the oil long term for the US and Europe. Instead, an Iran friendly leader got in there and aligned with China and Iran ... amazing you can't see that.
Bush and gang had his sights on all those never ending infrastructure projects to get the oil and rebuild the country ... That's about getting the PROFITS from the oil sales.
We screwed that up too.
Bush's plan was a dismal failure and thanks for helping point that out! Well done.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: qman]
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It really doesn't matter where Iraq's oil goes directly, it's a global commodity. Iraq has some of the best underdeveloped oil fields in the world, major oil corporations wanted to develop them for the next 30 years.
The problem was every time they built some pipeline infrastructure, somebody blow it up in the middle of the night, they cut their losses and left.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.
now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads, new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k
Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil. If you can't see that you're very naive.
The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.
It was a shitty plan. Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war. GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.
The only reason the coalition was in the oil fields were to A) prevent sabotage of the oil wells, which happened in Desert Storm and B) to stabilize the world oil markets during OIF.
using their oil to recoup losses/shore up our market was never part of the plan and explicitly stated so in mission statements.
Sadaam Hussein brought the war upon himself by previous aggression and violation of treaties. You don't give a man like that benefit of the doubt.
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
It was a major miscalculation, but it wasn't about getting Cheney rich. 
Did I say that? You saw me saying that? I just noted a highly suspicious factoid, but never even imagined that such a simple answer could be correct. But don't toss it away either, okay? Shit's suspicious as fuck, the man's got blood on his hands. And he got away with it.
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KauaiOrca said: You're actually describing what a screw up the entire Bush plan was. The plan was to lock down the oil long term for the US and Europe. Instead, an Iran friendly leader got in there and aligned with China and Iran ... amazing you can't see that.
Bush and gang had his sights on all those never ending infrastructure projects to get the oil and rebuild the country ... That's about getting the PROFITS from the oil sales.
We screwed that up too.
Bush's plan was a dismal failure and thanks for helping point that out! Well done.
hahahah... so clinton, in his own words saying "we want to go to war against iraq for the WMDs and violations of the UN agreement for surrender" is still a bush thing...
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
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So nobody gives a fuck about UN resolutions or treaties you know that. Go sell some medicine bitches.
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Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
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But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
how did cheney get rich from the Iraq war?
he sold his holding in haliburton when he was the VP nominee, he donated the money to charity, you criticize cheney but to be honest, even though he was a hotheaded asshole, he's probably the one clean character in all this
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hahahah... so clinton, in his own words saying "we want to go to war against iraq for the WMDs and violations of the UN agreement for surrender" is still a bush thing...
GREAT POST! Clinton got it right ... targeted air strikes and crippling sanctions. That's all that was needed to weaken Saddam.
Well done!
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
how did cheney get rich from the Iraq war?
he sold his holding in haliburton when he was the VP nominee, he donated the money to charity, you criticize cheney but to be honest, even though he was a hotheaded asshole, he's probably the one clean character in all this
If ever there was a case to be made that Aliens have infiltrated our government and installed fake humans into our power structure, Cheney is the evidence.
He was at the heart of every bad decision that was made in the Middle East during GWB's terms.
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hahahah... so clinton, in his own words saying "we want to go to war against iraq for the WMDs and violations of the UN agreement for surrender" is still a bush thing...
GREAT POST! Clinton got it right ... targeted air strikes and crippling sanctions. That's all that was needed to weaken Saddam.
Well done!
I see, so his desire to go to war with Iraq was still Bush's fault
all hail obama, out great lord and master
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
how did cheney get rich from the Iraq war?
he sold his holding in haliburton when he was the VP nominee, he donated the money to charity, you criticize cheney but to be honest, even though he was a hotheaded asshole, he's probably the one clean character in all this
If ever there was a case to be made that Aliens have infiltrated our government and installed fake humans into our power structure, Cheney is the evidence.
He was at the heart of every bad decision that was made in the Middle East during GWB's terms.
oh, so now it's dick cheney's fault
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Obama, Bush, Clinton... What's the real difference anyway?
And Cheney ain't clean, Prisoner. Cheney is dirty.
EDIT: Isn't Bush a hardcore Christian? I wonder how he is doing right now.
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I see, so his desire to go to war with Iraq was still Bush's fault
all hail obama, out great lord and master
Like many things in life, it's the degree of your reaction that matters. GWB decided to swat a fly with a sledgehammer. Many ways to "go to war" without a regional destabilizing multi trillion dollar ground invasion.
Sorry you can't see that. Clinton did see that.
What is it about Obama that causes you to worship him?
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oh, so now it's dick cheney's fault
Not all his fault, but he's culpable and should be in prison now. Shame on Obama for letting h I'm off the hook.
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Was it a personal vendetta? a defence greased blood for blood sake profit venture? A war for peace? we can only speculate
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Was it a personal vendetta? a defence greased blood for blood sake profit venture? A war for peace? we can only speculate 
Huge miscalculation that the Middle East "craved" Jeffersonian Democracy + the lure of trillions in oil revenues over the years and an American/West friendly alternative to Saudi oil.
In GWB's case, I think it was Jesus whispering in his head that everything would work out.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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or cheney
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said: Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
Airstrikes may have kept sadaam in check temporarily from waging war on Iran, Kurds and dissidents. But it did nothing to stop the Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank or stop uday and usau from brutalizing and raping their countrymen.
Children, the OIF campaign goes a lot deeper
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
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Lets not get to serious about this debate,
95% of the pub was born after Desert Shield/ Storm and there are only ten actual veterans on shroomery.
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Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
That is one helluva claim, bud.
Greenspan, who was in a position to know as he served 4 presidents starting with Reagan, said ... "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
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Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
That is one helluva claim, bud.
Greenspan, who was in a position to know as he served 4 presidents starting with Reagan, said ... "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
Greenspan isn't President , or Joint Chief, or service committee. He's a checkbook jockey.
I'll throw you a bone, the one contrarian who has any standing was Sec. Colin Powell (BG ARMY RET)
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KauaiOrca said: Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
Airstrikes may have kept sadaam in check temporarily from waging war on Iran, Kurds and dissidents. But it did nothing to stop the Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank or stop uday and usau from brutalizing and raping their countrymen.
Children, the OIF campaign goes a lot deeper
"Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank"
So this was a war based on immorality taking place in Iraq? Why choose Iraq to take a stand? What about the 100 other tyrants across the globe mistreating their people? It doesn't matter if there's no oil.
"The US had no interest in Iraqi oil"
So what was Exxon, Chevron, BP, and others doing in Iraq?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Why were we in iraq dewd? Americans died behind that shit and we stomped a whole shithole country of people into the dust. Why?
how about you tell us why we were in iraq
That's a very easy one Pris....We were in Iraq because Saddam Hussein badmouthed dubbyas daddy ...hence insighting the redneck wanna be cowboy into convincing the CIA into finding (any semblance of a reason) to overthrow and kill him. Hence they coined the new catch phrase WMD's...and searched high and low for them only to invent them after not being able to ever collaborate their existence. That is the reason we invaded Iraq and why I still can't stand Dubbya...the most ignorant and lowest rated president to ever take the healm in this country.
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Greenspan isn't President , or Joint Chief, or service committee. He's a checkbook jockey.
I'll throw you a bone, the one contrarian who has any standing was Sec. Colin Powell (BG ARMY RET)
I think we can both agree that Greenspan has pretty good sources.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Prisoner#1 said: legitimate reasons such as they arent america and they're twats with entitlement issues
 Says an American, the most entitled people on earth! America! It's like the Roman Empire... on meth! America! Jesus wants you to be wealthy! America! You are just like us and you hate it! 
oh god no, you've got us all wrong. we get our shit the old fashioned way, through graft, corruption, theft, and intimidation... haters gonna hate
This is total american entitlism right here..
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KauaiOrca said: Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
Airstrikes may have kept sadaam in check temporarily from waging war on Iran, Kurds and dissidents. But it did nothing to stop the Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank or stop uday and usau from brutalizing and raping their countrymen.
Children, the OIF campaign goes a lot deeper
"Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank"
So this was a war based on immorality taking place in Iraq? Why choose Iraq to take a stand? What about the 100 other tyrants across the globe mistreating their people? It doesn't matter if there's no oil.
"The US had no interest in Iraqi oil"
So what was Exxon, Chevron, BP, and others doing in Iraq?
Mostly violations of treaties and resolutions. SH got stomped because there was a reasonable case against him. Nobody misses him.
As for the oil, those are private commercial entities developing resources. Not the coalition military or governments.
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your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.
now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads, new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k
Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil. If you can't see that you're very naive.
The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.
It was a shitty plan. Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war. GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.
Yeah, exactly. It wasn't the US government profiting as much as the US companies.. and why ship it over here when there's a huge market right there?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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Also, haters gonna hate must be the most childish thing ever.
"No, no, I'm not listening to you, you're just a hater, as is that little voice deep down inside of me. Let's ignore everything negative and only focus on the positive, I am the greatest, my country is the greatest, haters gonna hate!"
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Bodhi of Ankou said: The Saudis were and always have been a bunch of backward, stone age fanatics and it's exactly what they'll revert back to when the wells finally run dry.
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Sheikh Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum was responsible for the transformation of Dubai from a small cluster of settlements near the Dubai Creek to a modern port city and commercial hub.[2] His famous line, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel,[3]" reflected his concern that Dubai's oil, which was discovered in 1966 and which began production in 1969, would run out within a few generations. He therefore worked to develop the economy of Dubai so that it could survive after the end of oil production, and was a driving force behind a number of major infrastructure projects to promote Dubai as a regional hub for trade:
Port Rashid (opened in 1972) Al Shindagha Tunnel (opened in 1975) Jebel Ali Port (opened in 1979) Dubai World Trade Centre (built in 1978) The second major dredging and widening of the Dubai Creek (early 1970s)[4] Dubai Drydocks (opened in 1983)
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KauaiOrca said: Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
Airstrikes may have kept sadaam in check temporarily from waging war on Iran, Kurds and dissidents. But it did nothing to stop the Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank or stop uday and usau from brutalizing and raping their countrymen.
Children, the OIF campaign goes a lot deeper
"Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank"
So this was a war based on immorality taking place in Iraq? Why choose Iraq to take a stand? What about the 100 other tyrants across the globe mistreating their people? It doesn't matter if there's no oil.
"The US had no interest in Iraqi oil"
So what was Exxon, Chevron, BP, and others doing in Iraq?
Mostly violations of treaties and resolutions. SH got stomped because there was a reasonable case against him. Nobody misses him.
As for the oil, those are private commercial entities developing resources. Not the coalition military or governments.
"there was a reasonable case against him"
Like those WMD's?
"Nobody misses him"
Ask the Europeans as they get flooded with refugees from all over the Middle East.
"private commercial entities developing resources"
Who couldn't have been there without the US military invasion, who was guarding those massive oil fields? US military!!!
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
how did cheney get rich from the Iraq war?
he sold his holding in haliburton when he was the VP nominee, he donated the money to charity, you criticize cheney but to be honest, even though he was a hotheaded asshole, he's probably the one clean character in all this
They all sold a war based on evidence that did not exist.. how the fuck can you say anyone, media complacency included, is 'clean'?
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myc_check1212 said: Lets not get to serious about this debate,
95% of the pub was born after Desert Shield/ Storm and there are only ten actual veterans on shroomery.
And you get to work off of hind sight. Wow.
You people are brilliant
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It's funny how SA has been our friends in the reigon, bowing presidents and such, even 9/11 terrorists were mostly from that country an no one cried then, even repubtards, now they sense the end is near and ya'll screaming fuck em.. hahaha how fast things can change. All this due to the fact SA dropped oil prices to keep production going, not likely their decision i.e. the u.s. might. Now the aituation arises where the u.s. is producing more as isis sells it's stock probabaly dirt cheep probably because they dont know how long they'll have it so as long as it's flowin it's going, which is exaxtly what America needs because low gas prices increases fluidity of the population and after half of everyones house and 401ks were given directly to banks the enconomy would still be crippled and since things really havent gotten any better i'd say it's one reason the american way of death has been able to stay afloat.
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MichAnon.ael
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212] 1
#22444511 - 10/28/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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myc_check1212 said: Lets not get to serious about this debate,
95% of the pub was born after Desert Shield/ Storm and there are only ten actual veterans on shroomery.
And you get to work off of hind sight. Wow.
You people are brilliant
We all saw the comment..
At the end of the day, it's ususally like, our opinion man and i'm pretty sure we're constituted it.
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myc_check1212
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: qman]
#22444515 - 10/28/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We could debate about the merits of the war for there are many arguments.
In the end it was lost because of civilians.
Same with Afghanistan
And Vietnam
Maybe Korea too
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myc_check1212
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#22444529 - 10/28/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MichAnon.ael said:
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myc_check1212 said:
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myc_check1212 said: Lets not get to serious about this debate,
95% of the pub was born after Desert Shield/ Storm and there are only ten actual veterans on shroomery.
And you get to work off of hind sight. Wow.
You people are brilliant
We all saw the comment..
At the end of the day, it's ususally like, our opinion man and i'm pretty sure we're constituted it.
It's your opinions and lack of spine that America loses. Be proud
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KauaiOrca
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444533 - 10/28/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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myc_check1212 said: We could debate about the merits of the war for there are many arguments.
In the end it was lost because of civilians.
Same with Afghanistan
And Vietnam
Maybe Korea too
In the case of Iraq, it was lost primarily because of Maliki siding with Iran. That created the conditions for a civil war to erupt.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444594 - 10/28/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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myc_check1212 said: It's your opinions and lack of spine that America loses. Be proud
It's your blind obediance of authority and a capacity to turn a blind eye to criminals, as long as those criminals are wealthy & powerful, that America loses.
America can be great again, but not by ultra-nationalistic tendencies, and certainly not by ignoring the evil while exalting the good.
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