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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: qman]
#22444343 - 10/28/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
Airstrikes may have kept sadaam in check temporarily from waging war on Iran, Kurds and dissidents. But it did nothing to stop the Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank or stop uday and usau from brutalizing and raping their countrymen.
Children, the OIF campaign goes a lot deeper
"Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank"
So this was a war based on immorality taking place in Iraq? Why choose Iraq to take a stand? What about the 100 other tyrants across the globe mistreating their people? It doesn't matter if there's no oil.
"The US had no interest in Iraqi oil"
So what was Exxon, Chevron, BP, and others doing in Iraq?
Mostly violations of treaties and resolutions. SH got stomped because there was a reasonable case against him. Nobody misses him.
As for the oil, those are private commercial entities developing resources. Not the coalition military or governments.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444345 - 10/28/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.
now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads, new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k
Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil. If you can't see that you're very naive.
The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.
It was a shitty plan. Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war. GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.
Yeah, exactly. It wasn't the US government profiting as much as the US companies.. and why ship it over here when there's a huge market right there?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#22444347 - 10/28/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, haters gonna hate must be the most childish thing ever.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#22444371 - 10/28/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: The Saudis were and always have been a bunch of backward, stone age fanatics and it's exactly what they'll revert back to when the wells finally run dry.
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"My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel" - Rashid bin Saeed "the terrorist" Al Maktoum.
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Sheikh Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum was responsible for the transformation of Dubai from a small cluster of settlements near the Dubai Creek to a modern port city and commercial hub.[2] His famous line, "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel,[3]" reflected his concern that Dubai's oil, which was discovered in 1966 and which began production in 1969, would run out within a few generations. He therefore worked to develop the economy of Dubai so that it could survive after the end of oil production, and was a driving force behind a number of major infrastructure projects to promote Dubai as a regional hub for trade:
Port Rashid (opened in 1972) Al Shindagha Tunnel (opened in 1975) Jebel Ali Port (opened in 1979) Dubai World Trade Centre (built in 1978) The second major dredging and widening of the Dubai Creek (early 1970s)[4] Dubai Drydocks (opened in 1983)
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444374 - 10/28/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
Airstrikes may have kept sadaam in check temporarily from waging war on Iran, Kurds and dissidents. But it did nothing to stop the Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank or stop uday and usau from brutalizing and raping their countrymen.
Children, the OIF campaign goes a lot deeper
"Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank"
So this was a war based on immorality taking place in Iraq? Why choose Iraq to take a stand? What about the 100 other tyrants across the globe mistreating their people? It doesn't matter if there's no oil.
"The US had no interest in Iraqi oil"
So what was Exxon, Chevron, BP, and others doing in Iraq?
Mostly violations of treaties and resolutions. SH got stomped because there was a reasonable case against him. Nobody misses him.
As for the oil, those are private commercial entities developing resources. Not the coalition military or governments.
"there was a reasonable case against him"
Like those WMD's?
"Nobody misses him"
Ask the Europeans as they get flooded with refugees from all over the Middle East.
"private commercial entities developing resources"
Who couldn't have been there without the US military invasion, who was guarding those massive oil fields? US military!!!
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#22444397 - 10/28/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
how did cheney get rich from the Iraq war?
he sold his holding in haliburton when he was the VP nominee, he donated the money to charity, you criticize cheney but to be honest, even though he was a hotheaded asshole, he's probably the one clean character in all this
They all sold a war based on evidence that did not exist.. how the fuck can you say anyone, media complacency included, is 'clean'?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444452 - 10/28/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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myc_check1212 said: Lets not get to serious about this debate,
95% of the pub was born after Desert Shield/ Storm and there are only ten actual veterans on shroomery.
And you get to work off of hind sight. Wow.
You people are brilliant
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#22444489 - 10/28/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's funny how SA has been our friends in the reigon, bowing presidents and such, even 9/11 terrorists were mostly from that country an no one cried then, even repubtards, now they sense the end is near and ya'll screaming fuck em.. hahaha how fast things can change. All this due to the fact SA dropped oil prices to keep production going, not likely their decision i.e. the u.s. might. Now the aituation arises where the u.s. is producing more as isis sells it's stock probabaly dirt cheep probably because they dont know how long they'll have it so as long as it's flowin it's going, which is exaxtly what America needs because low gas prices increases fluidity of the population and after half of everyones house and 401ks were given directly to banks the enconomy would still be crippled and since things really havent gotten any better i'd say it's one reason the american way of death has been able to stay afloat.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212] 1
#22444511 - 10/28/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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myc_check1212 said: Lets not get to serious about this debate,
95% of the pub was born after Desert Shield/ Storm and there are only ten actual veterans on shroomery.
And you get to work off of hind sight. Wow.
You people are brilliant
We all saw the comment..
At the end of the day, it's ususally like, our opinion man and i'm pretty sure we're constituted it.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: qman]
#22444515 - 10/28/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We could debate about the merits of the war for there are many arguments.
In the end it was lost because of civilians.
Same with Afghanistan
And Vietnam
Maybe Korea too
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#22444529 - 10/28/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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MichAnon.ael said:
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myc_check1212 said: Lets not get to serious about this debate,
95% of the pub was born after Desert Shield/ Storm and there are only ten actual veterans on shroomery.
And you get to work off of hind sight. Wow.
You people are brilliant
We all saw the comment..
At the end of the day, it's ususally like, our opinion man and i'm pretty sure we're constituted it.
It's your opinions and lack of spine that America loses. Be proud
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444533 - 10/28/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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myc_check1212 said: We could debate about the merits of the war for there are many arguments.
In the end it was lost because of civilians.
Same with Afghanistan
And Vietnam
Maybe Korea too
In the case of Iraq, it was lost primarily because of Maliki siding with Iran. That created the conditions for a civil war to erupt.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444594 - 10/28/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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myc_check1212 said: It's your opinions and lack of spine that America loses. Be proud
It's your blind obediance of authority and a capacity to turn a blind eye to criminals, as long as those criminals are wealthy & powerful, that America loses.
America can be great again, but not by ultra-nationalistic tendencies, and certainly not by ignoring the evil while exalting the good.
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