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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444011 - 10/28/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Turtletotem]
#22444017 - 10/28/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
how did cheney get rich from the Iraq war?
he sold his holding in haliburton when he was the VP nominee, he donated the money to charity, you criticize cheney but to be honest, even though he was a hotheaded asshole, he's probably the one clean character in all this
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22444020 - 10/28/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hahahah... so clinton, in his own words saying "we want to go to war against iraq for the WMDs and violations of the UN agreement for surrender" is still a bush thing...
GREAT POST! Clinton got it right ... targeted air strikes and crippling sanctions. That's all that was needed to weaken Saddam.
Well done!
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22444030 - 10/28/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
how did cheney get rich from the Iraq war?
he sold his holding in haliburton when he was the VP nominee, he donated the money to charity, you criticize cheney but to be honest, even though he was a hotheaded asshole, he's probably the one clean character in all this
If ever there was a case to be made that Aliens have infiltrated our government and installed fake humans into our power structure, Cheney is the evidence.
He was at the heart of every bad decision that was made in the Middle East during GWB's terms.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444048 - 10/28/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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hahahah... so clinton, in his own words saying "we want to go to war against iraq for the WMDs and violations of the UN agreement for surrender" is still a bush thing...
GREAT POST! Clinton got it right ... targeted air strikes and crippling sanctions. That's all that was needed to weaken Saddam.
Well done!
I see, so his desire to go to war with Iraq was still Bush's fault
all hail obama, out great lord and master
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444054 - 10/28/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.
But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.
Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.
And nobody knows why.
how did cheney get rich from the Iraq war?
he sold his holding in haliburton when he was the VP nominee, he donated the money to charity, you criticize cheney but to be honest, even though he was a hotheaded asshole, he's probably the one clean character in all this
If ever there was a case to be made that Aliens have infiltrated our government and installed fake humans into our power structure, Cheney is the evidence.
He was at the heart of every bad decision that was made in the Middle East during GWB's terms.
oh, so now it's dick cheney's fault
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22444059 - 10/28/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obama, Bush, Clinton... What's the real difference anyway?
And Cheney ain't clean, Prisoner. Cheney is dirty.
EDIT: Isn't Bush a hardcore Christian? I wonder how he is doing right now.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22444063 - 10/28/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see, so his desire to go to war with Iraq was still Bush's fault
all hail obama, out great lord and master
Like many things in life, it's the degree of your reaction that matters. GWB decided to swat a fly with a sledgehammer. Many ways to "go to war" without a regional destabilizing multi trillion dollar ground invasion.
Sorry you can't see that. Clinton did see that.
What is it about Obama that causes you to worship him?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22444073 - 10/28/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh, so now it's dick cheney's fault
Not all his fault, but he's culpable and should be in prison now. Shame on Obama for letting h I'm off the hook.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#22444085 - 10/28/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Was it a personal vendetta? a defence greased blood for blood sake profit venture? A war for peace? we can only speculate
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
#22444141 - 10/28/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Was it a personal vendetta? a defence greased blood for blood sake profit venture? A war for peace? we can only speculate 
Huge miscalculation that the Middle East "craved" Jeffersonian Democracy + the lure of trillions in oil revenues over the years and an American/West friendly alternative to Saudi oil.
In GWB's case, I think it was Jesus whispering in his head that everything would work out.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444146 - 10/28/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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or cheney
Edited by CHeifM4sterDiezL (10/28/15 09:59 AM)
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444186 - 10/28/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
Airstrikes may have kept sadaam in check temporarily from waging war on Iran, Kurds and dissidents. But it did nothing to stop the Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank or stop uday and usau from brutalizing and raping their countrymen.
Children, the OIF campaign goes a lot deeper
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444198 - 10/28/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lets not get to serious about this debate,
95% of the pub was born after Desert Shield/ Storm and there are only ten actual veterans on shroomery.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212] 1
#22444204 - 10/28/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
That is one helluva claim, bud.
Greenspan, who was in a position to know as he served 4 presidents starting with Reagan, said ... "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
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Edited by KauaiOrca (10/28/15 10:27 AM)
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444247 - 10/28/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
That is one helluva claim, bud.
Greenspan, who was in a position to know as he served 4 presidents starting with Reagan, said ... "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
Greenspan isn't President , or Joint Chief, or service committee. He's a checkbook jockey.
I'll throw you a bone, the one contrarian who has any standing was Sec. Colin Powell (BG ARMY RET)
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212] 1
#22444287 - 10/28/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Let's put it this way ... If Iraq had the same amount of oil reserves as let's say, France, then you can be 100% certain the US would never have invaded.
The interest in Iraq was about oil, profits, infrastructure re-building and it was PR'd as a national defense move to "stabilize" the region.
Saddam was a minimal threat. Sanctions and targeted air strikes was plenty to keep him in check which is exactly what Bill Clinton did.
GWB over reached, installed an Iran friendly leader who caused a civil war and completely disrupted the balance of power in the Middle East while providing extremely fertile new ground for Islamic Extremism to root and grow from.
Lets try this again. The US had no interest in Iraqi oil, to either sell it, keep it or reimbursement of the war effort.
Airstrikes may have kept sadaam in check temporarily from waging war on Iran, Kurds and dissidents. But it did nothing to stop the Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank or stop uday and usau from brutalizing and raping their countrymen.
Children, the OIF campaign goes a lot deeper
"Hussein family from treating Iraq coffers like its own piggybank"
So this was a war based on immorality taking place in Iraq? Why choose Iraq to take a stand? What about the 100 other tyrants across the globe mistreating their people? It doesn't matter if there's no oil.
"The US had no interest in Iraqi oil"
So what was Exxon, Chevron, BP, and others doing in Iraq?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22444294 - 10/28/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said: Why were we in iraq dewd? Americans died behind that shit and we stomped a whole shithole country of people into the dust. Why?
how about you tell us why we were in iraq
That's a very easy one Pris....We were in Iraq because Saddam Hussein badmouthed dubbyas daddy ...hence insighting the redneck wanna be cowboy into convincing the CIA into finding (any semblance of a reason) to overthrow and kill him. Hence they coined the new catch phrase WMD's...and searched high and low for them only to invent them after not being able to ever collaborate their existence. That is the reason we invaded Iraq and why I still can't stand Dubbya...the most ignorant and lowest rated president to ever take the healm in this country.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
#22444304 - 10/28/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Greenspan isn't President , or Joint Chief, or service committee. He's a checkbook jockey.
I'll throw you a bone, the one contrarian who has any standing was Sec. Colin Powell (BG ARMY RET)
I think we can both agree that Greenspan has pretty good sources.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22444325 - 10/28/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: legitimate reasons such as they arent america and they're twats with entitlement issues
 Says an American, the most entitled people on earth! America! It's like the Roman Empire... on meth! America! Jesus wants you to be wealthy! America! You are just like us and you hate it! 
oh god no, you've got us all wrong. we get our shit the old fashioned way, through graft, corruption, theft, and intimidation... haters gonna hate
This is total american entitlism right here..
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