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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22443775 - 10/28/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Why were we in iraq dewd? Americans died behind that shit and we stomped a whole shithole country of people into the dust. Why?




Iraq = oil.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22443786 - 10/28/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
their problem is people coming in and fucking everything up




Their "problem" is a centuries old legacy belief system and mindset that prevents peaceful democracy from taking root ... Instead, they are drawn to religiously "credible" iron fisted leaders and dictators that bludgeon them into submission.

That's reality.



that might be true but old brute force tactics clearly dont change the minds of old tribal leaders the young people see the truth our hope lies in them. We knew the war we'd end up fighting because bush didnt get the troops he needed in the start. there wasnt a need for any of it. instead we've created more discord and anti american sentiment in the region. you think the little kid whos parents your tax dollars killed is gonna grow up loving america as a liberator? I cant wait to get these fossils out of power.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22443790 - 10/28/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Why were we in iraq dewd? Americans died behind that shit and we stomped a whole shithole country of people into the dust. Why?





how about you tell us why we were in iraq


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22443801 - 10/28/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Why were we in iraq dewd? Americans died behind that shit and we stomped a whole shithole country of people into the dust. Why?




Iraq = oil.





false

we imported 4% of iraq's oil to the US prior to 1990, after the war started we imported less than 1%


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22443804 - 10/28/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

had something to do with intelligence or lack there of


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22443810 - 10/28/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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KauaiOrca said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Why were we in iraq dewd? Americans died behind that shit and we stomped a whole shithole country of people into the dust. Why?




Iraq = oil.





false

we imported 4% of iraq's oil to the US prior to 1990, after the war started we imported less than 1%




Yep ... another GWB and gang screw up.  We didn't get the oil and oil didn't pay for the war.  Good catch.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22443833 - 10/28/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone with eyes could see that saddam ruled with an iron fist and was mostly bluffing so to not look weak to iran. Why knock him out whats the endgame?


Edited by CHeifM4sterDiezL (10/28/15 08:38 AM)


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22443838 - 10/28/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i doubt it was oil we gots that shit on reserve


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca] * 1
    #22443880 - 10/28/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
had something to do with intelligence or lack there of





no. it had to do with a surrender agreement that saddam signed when the UN stepped
into iraq the first time during the 15 day war

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KauaiOrca said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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KauaiOrca said:
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Why were we in iraq dewd? Americans died behind that shit and we stomped a whole shithole country of people into the dust. Why?




Iraq = oil.





false

we imported 4% of iraq's oil to the US prior to 1990, after the war started we imported less than 1%




Yep ... another GWB and gang screw up.  We didn't get the oil and oil didn't pay for the war.  Good catch.





your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if
you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.

now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new
infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads,
new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a
safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages
they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22443904 - 10/28/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:

your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if
you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.

now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new
infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads,
new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a
safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages
they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k




Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil.  If you can't see that you're very naive. 

The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would  find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.

It was a shitty plan.  Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war.  GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22443926 - 10/28/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
had something to do with intelligence or lack there of





no. it had to do with a surrender agreement that saddam signed when the UN stepped
into iraq the first time during the 15 day war





you mean when the UN tried to sort things out diplomatically and the Bush went againts the world and public sentiment and invaded any way? I that what your talking about?


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22443931 - 10/28/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.

But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.

Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.

And nobody knows why.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22443939 - 10/28/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
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Prisoner#1 said:

your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if
you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.

now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new
infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads,
new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a
safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages
they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k




Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil.  If you can't see that you're very naive. 




to the contrary, why are we still getting less oil than we did 20 years ago

Quote:

The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would  find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.





70% of Iraq's oil was going to europe, now a lot more goes to china instead

now, just so you know, this 'invasion plan' wasnt a bush brainchild, it belonged
to clinton who said the exact same shit as bush about WMDs and an inevitable war
with Iraq. clinton bombed Iraq for 7 of his 8 years on office, he took a short
break during 1996 so he could run for president again



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It was a shitty plan.  Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war.  GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.





you dont even know what it was about or what was going on

http://www.wired.com/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22443957 - 10/28/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:
I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.

But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.

Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.

And nobody knows why.




It was a major miscalculation, but it wasn't about getting Cheney rich. :facepalm:


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22443963 - 10/28/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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KauaiOrca said:
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Prisoner#1 said:

your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if
you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.

now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new
infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads,
new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a
safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages
they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k




Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil.  If you can't see that you're very naive. 




to the contrary, why are we still getting less oil than we did 20 years ago

Quote:

The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would  find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.





70% of Iraq's oil was going to europe, now a lot more goes to china instead

now, just so you know, this 'invasion plan' wasnt a bush brainchild, it belonged
to clinton who said the exact same shit as bush about WMDs and an inevitable war
with Iraq. clinton bombed Iraq for 7 of his 8 years on office, he took a short
break during 1996 so he could run for president again



Quote:

It was a shitty plan.  Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war.  GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.





you dont even know what it was about or what was going on

http://www.wired.com/2010/10/wikileaks-show-wmd-hunt-continued-in-iraq-with-surprising-results/




You're actually describing what a screw up the entire Bush plan was.  The plan was to lock down the oil long term for the US and Europe.  Instead, an Iran friendly leader got in there and aligned with China and Iran ... amazing you can't see that.

Bush and gang had his sights on all those never ending infrastructure projects to get the oil and rebuild the country ... That's about getting the PROFITS from the oil sales.

We screwed that up too.

Bush's plan was a dismal failure and thanks for helping point that out!  Well done.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: qman]
    #22443975 - 10/28/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It really doesn't matter where Iraq's oil goes directly, it's a global commodity. Iraq has some of the best underdeveloped oil fields in the world, major oil corporations wanted to develop them for the next 30 years.

The problem was every time they built some pipeline infrastructure, somebody blow it up in the middle of the night, they cut their losses and left.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22443978 - 10/28/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:

your claim is the war was over oil, it wasnt a good catch, it was well known if
you didnt listen to the libtards and actually read the shit.

now, not only did we not get the spoils of war, we also payed to build new
infrastructure that brought many areas out of the stone age, they got new roads,
new schools, new government buildings, their electrical grid was brought into a
safe and reliable condition and many people compensated pretty well for damages
they'd suffered such as a door that was kicked in in which they were payed $10k




Our primary interest in Iraq is and always was oil.  If you can't see that you're very naive. 

The GWB & Gang plan was a relatively quick and easy transition to an America Friendly government that would provide Europe and the West with oil for years to come ... and provide American companies with the infrastructure building projects, paid for with oil profits so all that oil money would  find its way onto American Company's balance sheets.

It was a shitty plan.  Instead, a leader that preferred Iran to the US got into power and caused a civil war.  GWB was clueless about the probably consequences of his invasion.




The only reason the coalition was in the oil fields were to A) prevent sabotage of the oil wells, which happened in Desert Storm and B) to stabilize the world oil markets during OIF.

using their oil to recoup losses/shore up our market was never part of the plan and explicitly stated so in mission statements.

Sadaam Hussein brought the war upon himself by previous aggression and violation of treaties. You don't give a man like that benefit of the doubt.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: qman]
    #22443998 - 10/28/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

Turtletotem said:
I don't think it was oil, because if it was people really screwed up on that one.

But you can't deny certain people got really fucking filthy rich from that war, amongst them Dark Lord Dick Cheney.

Americans have been fucked, Iraqi's have been fucked, everybody's fucked.

And nobody knows why.




It was a major miscalculation, but it wasn't about getting Cheney rich. :facepalm:




Did I say that? You saw me saying that? I just noted a highly suspicious factoid, but never even imagined that such a simple answer could be correct.
But don't toss it away either, okay? Shit's suspicious as fuck, the man's got blood on his hands. And he got away with it.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22444000 - 10/28/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're actually describing what a screw up the entire Bush plan was.  The plan was to lock down the oil long term for the US and Europe.  Instead, an Iran friendly leader got in there and aligned with China and Iran ... amazing you can't see that.

Bush and gang had his sights on all those never ending infrastructure projects to get the oil and rebuild the country ... That's about getting the PROFITS from the oil sales.

We screwed that up too.

Bush's plan was a dismal failure and thanks for helping point that out!  Well done.





hahahah... so clinton, in his own words saying "we want to go to war against iraq
for the WMDs and violations of the UN agreement for surrender" is still a bush
thing...



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Re: Saudi Arabia to run out of cash within 5 years says IMF [Re: myc_check1212]
    #22444007 - 10/28/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So nobody gives a fuck about UN resolutions or treaties you know that. Go sell some medicine bitches.


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