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somuchlove


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#22433989 - 10/25/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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habitat- wet area in deciduous woods, on old log about 4' up
Gills- brown tan, attached
Stem- tan,orange veil, 1/4-2", hollow stringy
cap- tan brown,smooth, a little wrinkled dry, 1/4"-2"
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RuralAnomaly
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looks like its Gymnopilius to me. wait for more opinions obviously
nice find, not too slug/maggot ravaged
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Roger Wilco
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looks like some dryish deadly Galerina autumnalis to me
because size, habitat, whiteish stems, annulus
I'd air on the side of caution without microscopy on these ones.....
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for the sake of argument, i'll illustrate what i'd call Galerina

and what i'd call Gymnopilius:

i wouldn't say never, but personally, i don't think i see the in-rolled pilius on dry galerina like gyms get. maybe you do? i will also add that these were found growing from buried maple root so they grow straight up and so the morphology is a little different on these above ones as a result.
i don't find the stems to be too light, but i do find them too robust compared to galerina i find. i'll be glad to hear a TI's opinion edit and OP, roger is right, best to err on the side of caution regardless of the outcome here.
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Edited by RuralAnomaly (10/25/15 11:25 PM)
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i think galerina
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somuchlove


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Post deleted by somuchloveReason for deletion: I just ask nicely. Thank you
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Roger Wilco
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........It might not be Galerina, but have it scoped...
Heres a picture labeled Galerina mariginata from wikipedia

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Galerina_marginata_63678.jpg
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Roger Wilco
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somuchlove said: I did some saturday at noon and some today......
Did you get high on saturday? Did you get a buzz today??
If you didn't.........sketchy dude!
Never eat mushrooms you are not 100% sure of the identity!
Are there any left over?
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If you didn't feel anything, no need to panic. TheLightning seemed pretty confident, and that TI rating is not for show. We'll try and get him over to sort this out. Don't throw out any mushrooms you have left, and maybe take a bunch of milk thistle extract. If you don't get sick by then end of the day you're probably clear.
Eating mushrooms without absolute certainty of safety is never worth it: the worry alone can ruin your day.
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somuchlove


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Okay thanks
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Edited by somuchlove (01/11/16 07:16 AM)
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The Lightning
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somuchlove said:



habitat- wet area in deciduous woods, on old log about 4' up
Gills- brown tan, attached
Stem- tan,orange veil, 1/4-2", hollow stringy
cap- tan brown,smooth, a little wrinkled dry, 1/4"-2"
Note to all: The immediately above collection is what we're identifying.
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RuralAnomaly said: looks like its Gymnopilius to me.
RuralAnomaly is correct!
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Roger Wilco said: looks like some dryish deadly Galerina autumnalis to me
This is incorrect. See notes below.
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Silky_Johnson said: i think galerina
This is incorrect. See notes below.
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I did some saturday at noon and some today.
Amatoxins (Amanita-toxins)
These are poisonous compounds carried by the Amanita family, as well as members of the galerinas, conocybes and lepiotas. Here is a short list of some of species that contain these toxins:
Destroying Angel (Amanita ocreata) Fool's mushroom (Amanita verna) European Destroying Angel (Amanita virosa) Death Angel (Amanita bisporigera) Deadly Conocybe (Conocybe filaris) Deadly Parasol (Lepiota josserandii) Deadly Galerina (Galerina autumnalis)
Amatoxin poisoning is extremely dangerous and has a high fatality rate. The trouble with them is that they often cause liver and kidney failure. The symptoms are also often delayed and may not be visible for 6 hours or up to 24 hours after ingestion.
Symptoms include violent vomiting, bloody diarrhea, severe cramps. Often, these symptoms may subside and appear to indicate recovery. Lastly, relapse occurs and failure of kidneys and the liver leads to death.
Today is well under way and it's Monday. This collection was eaten on Saturday. Depending on what time they were eaten, we're approaching the 48hr mark. If those were Galerina, the OP would have called an ambulance by now and felt she/he was dying. She/he would be violently vomiting and defecating, and stomach pain would be unbearable.
I am confident that the mushrooms in the OP are a Gymnopilus species and that species is currently known as Gymnopilus junonius (=Gymnopilus spectabilis). Some of you need to slow your role with identifying. Now, there's one caveat to this ordeal: The OP mentioned that she/he went back to the tree and ate more, but those were never shown to me. I can only identify what I can see.
OP, describe how you felt Saturday, Sunday, and how you feel now that it's Monday.
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somuchlove said: Here's dome pics. They do look exactly like the wiki pics. I feel okay. I dont think i got a buzz. Just nervous

Now that does resemble a Galerina, and not the original mushrooms identified. How many did you eat?
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somuchlove


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Notta
Edited by somuchlove (01/11/16 07:17 AM)
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somuchlove


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I did dry them
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The Lightning
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Please read my entire post and answer in detail the other questions.
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somuchlove


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Yes
Edited by somuchlove (01/11/16 07:18 AM)
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Roger Wilco
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I hate to say it, but in my opinion they both look like the same species of Galerina, the first pick likely drier.
I'll slow my roll now. (tongue buried in cheek)
Edited by Roger Wilco (10/26/15 10:26 AM)
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somuchlove


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And Ive been a little dehydrated since last night.
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The Lightning
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Alright, well, you've mentioned minor symptoms that may be consistent with Amatoxins, but something tells me everything's okay.
Call the Legalon SIL hotline: 866-520-4412 and ask for assistance to be on the safe side. If they are unavailable contact poison control at 1-800-222-1222.
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Roger Wilco
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somuchlove said: And Ive been a little dehydrated since last night.
Do you think both mushrooms are of the same species somuchlove?? you photographed them......
If you do think the moist fresh ones in the new photos are the same as the first dry ones, it wouldn't hurt to go get checked up or make a call perhaps.....It's a caution thing.......
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Roger Wilco
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Come back and give us some status reports once you ensure your health somuchlove.
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somuchlove


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Yeah I called legalon SIL and they just told me to go to the er. It's almost been 24 hrs since I took the rest of em. I feel fine. I'm just going to wait and see if I get any symptoms. Right now I don't think I have any.
Edited by somuchlove (10/26/15 11:21 AM)
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Lost Geometer B
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Be careful. You're probably fine, but taking a fuckton of milk thistle extract wouldn't hurt.
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somuchlove


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I took milk thistle and charcoal an hour ago.
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Silky_Johnson
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if i were you i would go in man. my girl once saw this kid just start puking and drop dead from eating galerina's he thought were cyanescens. from what i understand it takes 48-72 hours to take effect, and it hits you like a ton of bricks.
-------------------- DustBunny said: I've seen just about everything go down in a shed, but where I live most people have a shed or few. "get cake, die young" "i got love for a few, respect for a couple, but aint no fear in my heart for no man" RIP Everything, thicker than blood, kid.
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somuchlove


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After I read that I went to er. In waiting room.
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Silky_Johnson said: my girl once saw this kid just start puking and drop dead from eating galerina's he thought were cyanescens.
huh?
eat mushrooms, start puking, and drop dead?
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Re: New York [Re: relic]
#22436093 - 10/26/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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relic said:
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Silky_Johnson said: my girl once saw this kid just start puking and drop dead from eating galerina's he thought were cyanescens.
huh?
eat mushrooms, start puking, and drop dead?
he ate them a couple days prior to that happening, im sorry if i didnt type that clearly, or you misread what i typed.
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Ran-D



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I personally do not think the mushrooms in the OP look like Gymnopilus, and the second set of photos definitely shows Galerina.
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The Lightning said: I am confident that the mushrooms in the OP are a Gymnopilus species and that species is currently known as Gymnopilus junonius (=Gymnopilus spectabilis).
Really? Even with that white hollow stipe? I disagree.
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Good luck, mate.
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Re: New York [Re: Ran-D]
#22436191 - 10/26/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: I personally do not think the mushrooms in the OP look like Gymnopilus
The more I look at them the more I am convinced they are Galerina.
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Re: New York [Re: Ran-D]
#22436428 - 10/26/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ran-D said:
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Ran-D said: I personally do not think the mushrooms in the OP look like Gymnopilus
The more I look at them the more I am convinced they are Galerina.
Kinda what I thought....they are very small too. In any case, glad op did the smart thing and went to the er. I wouldn't ever take a chance with anything looking close to a galerina. And they are too close.
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somuchlove


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There doing bloodwork now for kidneys and liver. If it's okay and they let me go you think its still too early?
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Godspeed, we're all praying for the best
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somuchlove


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Okay
Edited by somuchlove (01/11/16 07:14 AM)
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The Lightning
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Re: New York [Re: Ran-D]
#22436705 - 10/26/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok. I'm going to list the distinguishing features between Galerina and Gymnopilus that I see in the original collection.
Here's what I see for the original collection (not the Galerina photos that we do agree on):
1. Two of the stipes show limited venticose swelling. 2. The pileii are meaty. 3. There appears to be slight bluing on at the base of the stipe of at least one specimen. On the other hand, there are much darker, black hues, which is very worthy of questioning. OP confirmed green-blue areas when a magnifying glass was used. 4a. Despite some species descriptions of G. junonius mentioning only a solid stipe, one MushroomObserver observation clearly shows the stipe can be hollow: http://mushroomobserver.org/25544?q=2f1AD 4b. Gymnopilus luteus (which is worth comparing to), is a very close relative of G. junonius and has been observed STUFFED (and others solid), and stipes that are stuffed can become hollow. See http://mushroomobserver.org/107835?q=2f1AD
somuchlove, can you recall if the first collection was very bitter tasting? Were the other mushrooms not very bitter?
More importantly, how are you doing?
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somuchlove


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Results are good!!
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Excellent news
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doctorghosty said: Excellent news 
fuckin aye.
better safe than sorry.
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The Lightning
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somuchlove said: Results are good!!
Glad to hear it!
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somuchlove


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Yes thank you for helping. We all love together.
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RuralAnomaly
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Roger Wilco said: I hate to say it, but in my opinion they both look like the same species of Galerina, the first pick likely drier.
i can certainly see where you're coming from. those are meatier than i see usually.
it is the reason i bought a real microscope. with a lot of supporting rationales, of course
i have a collection on my table now i need to scope to get closer to id on. they're orange-ishy
to galerina, or not to galerina...
in my opinion, its worth a hundred twenty to never have to worry or depend on someone else's opinion when its YOUR liver n kidneys at stake (and possibly your friends' too.)
if you're serious about the hobby OP, i suggest you consider obtaining one. and if you're able, go get a specimen of the second batch (which i agree do not look so charactaristicly gymy) maybe have someone local look at it for you. it can't hurt to have a specimen at hand if needed.
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The Lightning said: Ok. I'm going to list the distinguishing features between Galerina and Gymnopilus that I see in the original collection.
Here's what I see for the original collection (not the Galerina photos that we do agree on):
1. Two of the stipes show limited venticose swelling. 2. The pileii are meaty. 3. There appears to be slight bluing on at the base of the stipe of at least one specimen. On the other hand, there are much darker, black hues, which is very worthy of questioning. OP confirmed green-blue areas when a magnifying glass was used. 4a. Despite some species descriptions of G. junonius mentioning only a solid stipe, one MushroomObserver observation clearly shows the stipe can be hollow: http://mushroomobserver.org/25544?q=2f1AD 4b. Gymnopilus luteus (which is worth comparing to), is a very close relative of G. junonius and has been observed STUFFED (and others solid), and stipes that are stuffed can become hollow. See http://mushroomobserver.org/107835?q=2f1AD
Seriously Light, your going through a bout of confirmation bias right now.....
You made a mistake. Give it up, admit it.
Some people really need to slow their roll....
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The Lightning said:
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somuchlove said: Results are good!!
Glad to hear it!
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The Lightning said: Ok. I'm going to list the distinguishing features between Galerina and Gymnopilus that I see in the original collection.
Here's what I see for the original collection (not the Galerina photos that we do agree on):
1. Two of the stipes show limited venticose swelling. 2. The pileii are meaty. 3. There appears to be slight bluing on at the base of the stipe of at least one specimen. On the other hand, there are much darker, black hues, which is very worthy of questioning. OP confirmed green-blue areas when a magnifying glass was used. 4a. Despite some species descriptions of G. junonius mentioning only a solid stipe, one MushroomObserver observation clearly shows the stipe can be hollow: http://mushroomobserver.org/25544?q=2f1AD 4b. Gymnopilus luteus (which is worth comparing to), is a very close relative of G. junonius and has been observed STUFFED (and others solid), and stipes that are stuffed can become hollow. See http://mushroomobserver.org/107835?q=2f1AD
somuchlove, can you recall if the first collection was very bitter tasting? Were the other mushrooms not very bitter?
More importantly, how are you doing?
All of the mushrooms in this thread are Galerina marginata.
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The Lightning said: I am confident that the mushrooms in the OP are a Gymnopilus species and that species is currently known as Gymnopilus junonius (=Gymnopilus spectabilis). Some of you need to slow your role with identifying.
I am sorry, but I have to remove your TI tag.
We can't have TI's that mistake Galerina marginata for Gymnopilus.
I really appreciate your outstanding contributions to mycology and I sincerely hope you continue to post a lot. Please don't disappear.
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