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Peyote Road
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Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user?
#22433742 - 10/25/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know about you guys but as a psychedelic drug user and daily weed smoker, I tend to suffer anxiety from time to time. I find it really cool to have a shamanic teacher plant that does not cause anxiety but actually lowers it. Kava's lesson is a lesson of peace and stillness.
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impatientguy
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: Peyote Road]
#22433823 - 10/25/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes I agree. I feel that way about lots of the stuff I take. Kratom in that natural class right along kava IMO
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GalindoiSioux
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: impatientguy]
#22433836 - 10/25/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kratom for anxiety as well?
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impatientguy
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: GalindoiSioux]
#22433840 - 10/25/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah It could be used that way. It's kind of sedating IMO
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Peyote Road
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: impatientguy]
#22433848 - 10/25/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I love kratom also and it is very good for anxiety, in some ways actually better than opiates because opiates always tend to make me paranoid about getting more/when I can take more.
The only thing that sucks about kratom is that it does give withdrawals, well that and the taste.
-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
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impatientguy
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: Peyote Road]
#22433999 - 10/25/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yup kratom in a nutshell haha
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flickedbic
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: Peyote Road]
#22434017 - 10/25/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kanna is great for this too 
Super versatile. Insufflate, Pyrolize or quid for varying effects.
I find lotus (nelumbo nucifera) stamen a very nice smoke in this arena also.
May also want to try Dan Shen (herbal TCM benzo).
I've never tried Kava but its pharmacological action leads me to believe it would potentiate kratom nicely as well as synergize.
Kava inhibits CYP's 1A2, 3A4, and 2D6; as well as P-glycoprotein... all of which dismantle mitragynine.
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GalindoiSioux
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: flickedbic]
#22434037 - 10/25/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting. Thanks for the input. New here. So much info to take in.
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WChef


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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: flickedbic]
#22434041 - 10/25/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have any of you tried these anti-anxiety ethneogens in combination with classical psychedelics? It would be interesting if they left a trip otherwise untouched. Could be a great go-to for bad trips instead of benzos, which don't so much improve a trip but really just end it altogether.
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topdog82
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: WChef]
#22434050 - 10/25/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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kava personally made me feel very dull. I didnt like it. I basically felt useless and foggy
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Peyote Road
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: topdog82]
#22434186 - 10/25/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: kava personally made me feel very dull. I didnt like it. I basically felt useless and foggy
Ah yes, it has that side to it. That is how a bad kava experience feels. Good experience, you remain clear headed but peaceful.
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topdog82
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: Peyote Road]
#22434190 - 10/25/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said:
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topdog82 said: kava personally made me feel very dull. I didnt like it. I basically felt useless and foggy
Ah yes, it has that side to it. That is how a bad kava experience feels. Good experience, you remain clear headed but peaceful.
benzos in general do that to me tho. GHB is the only GABA drug that I have thouroughly enjoyed. You do you tho 
I would reccomand kratom as well. I think you would like it
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: topdog82]
#22434977 - 10/26/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kava is really enjoyable. There's so many different "strains" or cultivars with different effects. Some more stimulating and others more sedating.
People definitely mix kratom and kava.
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gornyhuy
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: Cinnor]
#22435058 - 10/26/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've just been getting into kava recently, in fact I used it last night to bring me down from a minor work-induced stress freak out.
Love the calming effects, however I'm having a bit of trouble with the taste and smell and especially the nausea it can cause. Ironically, mushrooms don't give me any nausea at all. I wish the extract pills worked better because I'd love to just pop a few of those before dosing mushrooms and avoid all the prepping and numb mouth and nausea of kava root powder.
Any more suggestions for alternates that have similar effect? (I love weed, but have been trying to avoid it because it interferes with my ability to meditate effectively. So really it is the age old question of what is a good feel good stress reducer like weed or kava?)
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: Peyote Road]
#22435900 - 10/26/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What are the possible side effects of kava ()?
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.
Stop taking kava and seek emergency medical attention if you have liver symptoms such as nausea, stomach pain, loss of appetite, itching, dark urine, clay-colored stools, or jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes).
Other less serious side effects have also been reported. Talk to your doctor, pharmacist, or health care professional if you experience •morning drowsiness, •changes in vision, or •upset stomach.
Kava should not be used for longer than three months without a doctor's supervision. The long-term use of kava has reportedly lead to "kawanism", which is characterized by dry, flaking, discolored skin; reddened eyes; a scaly skin rash; puffy face; muscle weakness; blood abnormalities; and feelings of poor health.
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Re: Anyone else think kava is such a nice plant to add into your arsenal as a psychedelic drug user? [Re: champinhom]
#22436325 - 10/26/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kava is pretty awesome, I need to get some more. I've had good experiences with tincture.
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