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Air exchange vs humidity
    #22432082 - 10/25/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have my setup in an aquarium, it gets very humid and a lot of condensation occurs at the top of the glass then when I open to exchange fresh air all the water drips onto my casing layer and I wonder if this has been effecting my pinning? Should I lower the temp and just mist more to keep the humidity up so not so much condensation occurs at the top? Or should I not open the top and just use the air bubbler which seems to raise the temperature quite a bit...? So therefore lowering the water temp, but misting more? Ideas? Thank you!!!! :smile:


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: Leeper] * 1
    #22432100 - 10/25/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You honestly should just move your trays to a SGFC.

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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22432144 - 10/25/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I would argue that FAE is more important than high humidity.

Of course you need both, but humidity without enough FAE is no bueno :nonono:


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22432163 - 10/25/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Do you NEED both? I think for the perfect fruits you want constant fae, with fluctuations in humidity. So essentially proper levels of both would be perfect. You also want a loss of moisture from the substrate. And a high surface hydration through misting.

Really I've done grows with no humidity, and no fae. They didnt perform as well as the ones with a balance between the 2 :smile:. Id say humidity of 50-80% is perfect. A high amount of fae with humidity like that would get you the best shit ever.


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22432506 - 10/25/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

How do u control the temperature? I'm in CO and it gets very dry and very cold, and I'm working in a 21 inch by 20 inch space! I read the info on it, but seems interesting to me! If I read it right there r holes in the bottom of the container? Or did I misread that?


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: Mad Season]
    #22432517 - 10/25/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Think changing my setup during this stage would b a pain... So would lowering the temp, which would lower the humidity and doing more FAE be better if I don't switch my setup, just provide more misting?! When I move I might go with another setup, but I'm kinda stuck for now.


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22432520 - 10/25/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What's your temp usually at in the chamber?


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: Leeper]
    #22432571 - 10/25/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So, you want a temp between 71F and 76F.

This can be done using lighting that provides heat or external heat like your house's Central Air Heating or a space heater.

Shotgun Fruiting Chambers (SGFC) have holes on all six sides (that includes the bottom).

It provides great FAE AND humidity.

However, if you have central heating that runs all day, Ive found thru personal experience that this type of heating causes perlite and cakes to dry out VERY quickly.

So if you have this type of dry heating try to mist your SGFC once a day and soak your perlite well every day as well. Check the perlite for proper moisture. Should be moist, not dry or soaked.

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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22432644 - 10/25/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My temps have been way too high then... I'm usually at 78- 84... They have prolly been sweating in there... When it's just mycelium and no pins yet I keep it higher, then drop around 76-78 ish when I c pins! No air exchange at first but when pins occur I do at least 3 FAE per day! Should I always b doing FAE? The SGFC would seem to have constant fluctuations in FAE and temp... Am I swamping my casings? They were great at first, but then as semi-pins developed they were overtaken by mycelium, and went away, is high humidity and temp my issue?


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: Leeper]
    #22432712 - 10/25/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you have pins that get overtaken by mycelium, thats a sign of not enough FAE.

I highly recommend ditching the aquarium and making a SGFC.

Pinning occurs when fruiting conditions are best, so lots of FAE, humidity and some blue-spectrum light.

3 times a day just isnt enough. Constant FAE is best. Also, flucuations are actually good, it helps promote shroom growth :thumbup:

As long as it isnt extreme fluxuations, like 50F to 80F for example. Fluxes between 60F up to 77F with 50% to 100% humidity fluxes is all good!

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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22432738 - 10/25/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I removed a part of the upper portion of my aquarium, so now the glass at the top is in the middle leaving about an inch on each side of the length of the tank for FAE, and I turned my bubbler on so there is a push of air so it doesn't just settle! I may change my setup in the next week or so if things don't start getting better! Do you think this will be sufficient... For now?


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: Leeper]
    #22432754 - 10/25/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Might be enough.

I used to use an air pump like that.

Its super old skool tech that no one uses no more.

Its not the best, but its minimal effective.

Lets wait and see. Leave that air pump on 24/7 for the most FAE possible.

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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22432792 - 10/25/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The humidity is already decreasing... Temp lowered as well... Although I dropped my frickin humidity gauge in the water... So that's not a good teller ATM! Lol! :smile: thank you for the quick responses, I really appreciate it! I'll post again tomorrow and tell ya if some of the near pinning mycelium turns into pins... I have a good feeling!!!!! :smile:


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #22432834 - 10/25/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You hear all this shit about how the air bubbler and tank works great... But I guess this is y it is said to not believe everything u hear about online! I spent well over 300, I am embarrassed to say... When I could have spent around 50 for a more up to date chamber which works better! Now I can't wait to see if I get a booming :wink: growth! Again, thanks for the great info!!!

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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: Leeper]
    #22432886 - 10/25/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ha, thanks man.

Not sure where u got that info that aquarium and bubbler are awesome. Those things are real outdates now.

And dont worry about that gauge u dropped in the water. Obsolete too, not necessary.

Just stick yor hand in and feel the air. If it feels like a humid jungle inside where poison dart frogs would thrive, youre good to go

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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22433115 - 10/25/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Will do, I use the gauge more for my incubation chamber but I figured what the hell, this works great and it would b nice to see what the temp and humidity are! So I got a separate one... And I just saw that it worked well (apparently not great) and knew it would fit into my space with a bit of extra room, I'll have to find the perfect size tub if I switch! Woulda been worth it lookin back though!!

And if I do go with the other chamber... How do u keep the perlite moist without it dripping out the bottom and makin a helluva mess? Pouring water would run out, so does a heavy misting do the trick? And would an aluminum 8 inch diamter by 3 inch deep work well for casing in such a chamber, or would u go with smaller trays (the tin ones that r bendable)? And since u seem quite knowledgable about growing, how compressed do u keep ur substrate/ straw ( that's what I'm using) when mycelium running before casing? High compression, medium compression or low compression? I have heard to keep it at medium to low compression so the mycelium can run better but I have seen some really compact shit in pictures before that were doin great... 
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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: Leeper]
    #22433147 - 10/25/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Heavy misting will do the trick. Light misting on the cakes or casing. Keep a towel underneath or near your FC to catch any Water.

Im not too experienced on casing, but for casing, u want it pretty airy.

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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22433181 - 10/25/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sweet, thank u again sir!! :smile: and I hope u find some good shit in Oregon, read ur profile! Seem like a really cool guy! Very honest and ur younger than me which is cool! Age doesn't matter, am just pleased to see ur lvl of knowledge at a younger age! Good shit!! :smile:


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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: Leeper]
    #22433275 - 10/25/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks bud and good luck!

Its almost wild picking season here. Wild ps cyans! Exciting stuff!

Good luck on your future grows. And post pics, its funner that way :awesome:

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Re: Air exchange vs humidity [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22433416 - 10/25/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Will do, when posting pics do u just send them as an attachment? Or just copy paste? And ooo, I heard those r harder to grow but worth it if u can do it!! I'll post this upcoming cycle if my tank works out well!


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