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Mokujin


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Got knocked out by shrooms 1
#22431259 - 10/25/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi!
just wanted to share a few of my negative experiences here. Don't get me wrong, I tripped lots and lots, and almost never had any bad trips.
Anyway...
The first time I tripped on shrooms, I took waaaaaay to much. Must have been 5~7 grams. I just ate the whole bag since I thought 1 bag = 1 trip. Needless to say that this dose is extremely big for a first timer. It was a potent strain of dried Cubensis and I was an unexperienced teenager.
It was about 3-4 hours into the trip when our group decided to smoke pure weed from a bong, which was nothing I haven't done before. I took a huge hit and relaxed after that. 5 Minutes later, my heart started to pound and I got kind of an anxiety attack. Got up to the window to get some fresh air. I got a weird vibrating feeling in my head, which intensified quickly, to the point where it felt as if someone would bombard me with some kind of sonic weapon. My anxiety went so bad that I had serious thoughts of dying, right there on the spot, with all of my friends around me. I've told them about my state, but they were involved with themselves, so they didn't really notice.
I blacked out and dropped to the ground. Next thing I remember was one of my friends slapping me in the face. My hair was wet, so I assume they must have poured some water over me in my unconscious state. They told me they were just about to call 911. I was freezing even though it was a hot summer night.
To this day - I have no idea what the hell that was. But I'm pretty sure that I experienced the often talked about ego death and the anxiety that comes along with it. This event seriously changed my life. Before, I was a douchbag, to say the least. The months and years after that incident, I transformed into a person with integrity and new found respect for life.
I've tripped many times on many substances after that, but nothing like this ever occured again. One time I was fasting a whole day, then ingested 5 dried grams and smoked huge amounts of weed, because I was curious whether I was able to recreate the incident. I came close as I was about to build up huge paranoia and anxiety, but was able to calm down myself.
Any of you experienced something similar?
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Mokujin]
#22431369 - 10/25/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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something like this i experienced last light3=.
i only tripped 3 times before this, first lvl 1, then level 2 and again an level 1.5-2. Last night i wanted to test the first flush from my kits and i ended up eating in 2 hours 5.5g cracking dry B+. I was knock-out 2 hours in a infinit non sens time hell, everything i was doing wrong in my life started to come back and hunt me. Durring the peak, i was dying and come back to life with every wave. After, when things started to cool down i started to reincarnate, the afterglow was so peacefull ..
I need a vacation now to sit and reflect on my life ...
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Mokujin]
#22431380 - 10/25/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mokujin said: It was about 3-4 hours into the trip when our group decided to smoke pure weed from a bong,
lmao
But yeah, that doesn't sound like an ego death just a blackout. You'd feel and most likely remember an ego death, especially your first. It usually only happens on higher doses from what I've seen, but it was your first trip. Look up some stories/reports on people blacking out on high dose mushroom trips, it's not entirely uncommon
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Mokujin]
#22431394 - 10/25/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people call that "pulling a whitey". Cause the person's face usually turns really pale before they hit the floor. Most likely you stood up too fast and didn't have enough oxygen going to the brain. It can happen after taking a big bong rip even standing up. And it can happen to sober people even by standing up too fast...usually some other underlying health issue there. That's all it is don't sweat it too much..just stand up slower next time. I doubt it had anything to do with the shrooms.
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: BlueIndian] 1
#22431400 - 10/25/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No it definitely had something to do with the shrooms. That's a well known potential side effect. The weed exacerbated matters.
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Mokujin


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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: BlueIndian]
#22431417 - 10/25/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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BlueIndian said: Some people call that "pulling a whitey". Cause the person's face usually turns really pale before they hit the floor. Most likely you stood up too fast and didn't have enough oxygen going to the brain. It can happen after taking a big bong rip even standing up. And it can happen to sober people even by standing up too fast...usually some other underlying health issue there. That's all it is don't sweat it too much..just stand up slower next time. I doubt it had anything to do with the shrooms.
This happened about 20 years ago. So no, I don't sweat it too much  And I honestly doubt it had something to do with the bong hit itself, because, as I said, the K.O. was 5 minutes later, so the oxygen supply should have been restored by then.
In hindsight, it was no bad experience at all. It taught me to be responsible with drugs
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Mokujin


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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Dark_Star]
#22431424 - 10/25/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: No it definitely had something to do with the shrooms. That's a well known potential side effect. The weed exacerbated matters.
Yeah, that's what our headshop guy told me. THC potentiates the effects of psylocybin. Could be BS though...
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Mokujin]
#22431431 - 10/25/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mokujin said:
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Dark_Star said: No it definitely had something to do with the shrooms. That's a well known potential side effect. The weed exacerbated matters.
Yeah, that's what our headshop guy told me. THC potentiates the effects of psylocybin. Could be BS though...
THC definitely enhances the trip.
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Dark_Star]
#22431465 - 10/25/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: No it definitely had something to do with the shrooms. That's a well known potential side effect. The weed exacerbated matters.
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Mokujin] 1
#22432164 - 10/25/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mokujin said: ....5 Minutes later, my heart started to pound and I got kind of an anxiety attack. Got up to the window to get some fresh air. I got a weird vibrating feeling in my head, which intensified quickly, to the point where it felt as if someone would bombard me with some kind of sonic weapon. My anxiety went so bad that I had serious thoughts of dying, right there on the spot, with all of my friends around me. I've told them about my state, but they were involved with themselves, so they didn't really notice.
I blacked out and dropped to the ground.
Any of you experienced something similar?
I have....on LSD and on mushrooms, each time this occurred it was after smoking some herb. (it's happened to me from just cannabis alone, as well)
Sounds like you may have fainted from low blood pressure , which mushrooms can cause, and cannabis most certainly causes a drop in blood pressure. Each time this has happened to me, I know it was an issue with blood pressure. First time it happened, I was quite spooked because I didn't know what was happening. Now I know the feeling when my BP is low or has dropped suddenly.
Cannabis is a strong vasodilator....Smoking the herb likely made your blood pressure drop as well as making you higher/tripping a bit harder. A pounding heart is a sign that blood pressure has dropped suddenly or is getting low....Having low blood pressure can make ya feel really weird and anxious even when sober, so even more so whilst on a psychedelic (when I experience this, I feel/hear weird buzzing/vibrations, and become super spaced out, kinda edgy feeling, just a really "alien" & "wtf is going on!?" sorta feeling)....
Low blood pressure can bring about anxiety, and anxiety can bring about a drop in blood pressure....so you can get a psychosomatic-like interplay between anxiety and blood pressure where things only snowball until one blacks out/faints and drops. Sounds like smoking herb and the resulting drop in BP is what set things in motion though.
Just my 2 cents of speculation . Quite often (about once a month or so) I see posts about people experiencing/describing similar things happening while on psychedelics & after smoking cannabis, and people always wonder WTF it was that happened to them...most of the time, an issue with blood pressure is the most logical explanation.....Years ago, the first time it happened to me I made a thread about it because I was a bit spooked about the whole ordeal and didn't know what caused it.
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: openmind]
#22432608 - 10/25/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Similar thing happened to me last week, took about 4gs in a smoothie, about two hours later I fell off the couch completely blacked out, pulse was low, incredibly sweaty, and felt very weak. The cycle of sweating, low pulse, hard time breathing, and sweating repeated about three times in the next hour. Turned out to be fine, but was also pretty scared of dying.
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Verge]
#22433505 - 10/25/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have had this happen to me too... I'm not sure if it was from anxiety attack or what but it was scary as hell when it happened. It's happened to me twice and both times were on the same batch of cubes... Kinda the reason I don't really trip anymore...
Oh and nice STS9 avatar OP
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: SnowDaze]
#22434082 - 10/25/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My wife and I have taken shrooms several times together, usually around 2-2.5 grams. One time we took 3.5 each in chocolate form, she was having some stomach problems but other than that it was a great trip. A couple hours in, I suggested smoking a little to help calm her stomach down, she took a couple hits and said she felt a lot better.
We decided to go on a bike ride, and started to pump up the tires. She helped with my bike, then just said "I can't." and stopped. I figured she was just having a hard time concentrating, so I moved on to her bike and saw her clutch over. I didn't worry, figured she was just trying to puke or something and went back to the bike, when I looked back again, she was lying face first on the concrete convulsing. I got her to snap out of it and tried to help her inside when she passed out again in my arms. She was making choking/vomiting noises, her eyes crossed and rolled back into her head, and then she went totally silent. Scariest moment of my life as you can imagine.
I tried talking to her, slapping her lightly in the face, taking her pulse (hard to do while tripping) and finally like a damn fairy tale I kissed her on the cheek and she woke back up. Time dilation makes it impossible to tell, but it was probably between 30-60 seconds total. We ended up just lying in bed for the next two hours and everything was OK. After reading a lot on here and other sites, I think it was a combination of a higher dosage than normal, dehydration, lack of proper sleep the days leading up to the trip, and smoking weed that did her in. No history of seizures of blackouts other than that one incident.
I don't say this to scare anyone off of tripping, but just to educate and share the only real negative experience I've had. Make sure your body is prepared for the trip (sleep + hydration) and know how to take care of someone having a seizure or pseudoseizure. Important things to remember are not to physically restrain them, but remove objects they could hurt themselves on. Rolling them onto their side makes breathing easier and choking less likely. Do not perform CPR or mouth to mouth unless it lasts several minutes. I hesitate to give any advice on calling an ambulance, but I would give them a couple minutes to snap out of it on their own. After they come to they will probably be very confused and scared, so you need to remain calm, help them to understand what happened, and help them get back into a good state of mind. Food and water will help, but only after they are fully in control, you don't want them lapsing into another seizure/blackout while swallowing or chewing.
She understandably had some problems remembering the time directly before her episode, but she remembers something feeling funny with her head. We now prepare better for our trips, understand that this is a potential side effect, and I know what to look for so I can make sure she's in a safe spot if something similar happens in the future. Let's just say face first on concrete isn't the best spot. Just knowing that we are better prepared is a great comfort to her so if this happens in the future it won't ruin the rest of the trip.
Alright, enough depressing shit, happy (and safe) tripping all!
Edited by Shabs (10/25/15 10:48 PM)
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: openmind]
#22434875 - 10/26/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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openmind said:
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Mokujin said: ....5 Minutes later, my heart started to pound and I got kind of an anxiety attack. Got up to the window to get some fresh air. I got a weird vibrating feeling in my head, which intensified quickly, to the point where it felt as if someone would bombard me with some kind of sonic weapon. My anxiety went so bad that I had serious thoughts of dying, right there on the spot, with all of my friends around me. I've told them about my state, but they were involved with themselves, so they didn't really notice.
I blacked out and dropped to the ground.
Any of you experienced something similar?
I have....on LSD and on mushrooms, each time this occurred it was after smoking some herb. (it's happened to me from just cannabis alone, as well)
Sounds like you may have fainted from low blood pressure , which mushrooms can cause, and cannabis most certainly causes a drop in blood pressure. Each time this has happened to me, I know it was an issue with blood pressure. First time it happened, I was quite spooked because I didn't know what was happening. Now I know the feeling when my BP is low or has dropped suddenly.
Cannabis is a strong vasodilator....Smoking the herb likely made your blood pressure drop as well as making you higher/tripping a bit harder. A pounding heart is a sign that blood pressure has dropped suddenly or is getting low....Having low blood pressure can make ya feel really weird and anxious even when sober, so even more so whilst on a psychedelic (when I experience this, I feel/hear weird buzzing/vibrations, and become super spaced out, kinda edgy feeling, just a really "alien" & "wtf is going on!?" sorta feeling)....
Low blood pressure can bring about anxiety, and anxiety can bring about a drop in blood pressure....so you can get a psychosomatic-like interplay between anxiety and blood pressure where things only snowball until one blacks out/faints and drops. Sounds like smoking herb and the resulting drop in BP is what set things in motion though.
Just my 2 cents of speculation . Quite often (about once a month or so) I see posts about people experiencing/describing similar things happening while on psychedelics & after smoking cannabis, and people always wonder WTF it was that happened to them...most of the time, an issue with blood pressure is the most logical explanation.....Years ago, the first time it happened to me I made a thread about it because I was a bit spooked about the whole ordeal and didn't know what caused it.
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Thanks man. This really makes a lot of sense. I feel like I got some closure on this incident. Finally. Much appreciated!!
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: SnowDaze]
#22434878 - 10/26/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SnowDaze said: Oh and nice STS9 avatar OP
Thanks. STS9 - simply great music for psychedelics. Figured the avatar would match this board as well
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Shabs]
#22434891 - 10/26/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shabs said: My wife and I have taken shrooms several times together, usually around 2-2.5 grams. One time we took 3.5 each in chocolate form, she was having some stomach problems but other than that it was a great trip. A couple hours in, I suggested smoking a little to help calm her stomach down, she took a couple hits and said she felt a lot better.
We decided to go on a bike ride, and started to pump up the tires. She helped with my bike, then just said "I can't." and stopped. I figured she was just having a hard time concentrating, so I moved on to her bike and saw her clutch over. I didn't worry, figured she was just trying to puke or something and went back to the bike, when I looked back again, she was lying face first on the concrete convulsing. I got her to snap out of it and tried to help her inside when she passed out again in my arms. She was making choking/vomiting noises, her eyes crossed and rolled back into her head, and then she went totally silent. Scariest moment of my life as you can imagine.
I tried talking to her, slapping her lightly in the face, taking her pulse (hard to do while tripping) and finally like a damn fairy tale I kissed her on the cheek and she woke back up. Time dilation makes it impossible to tell, but it was probably between 30-60 seconds total. We ended up just lying in bed for the next two hours and everything was OK. After reading a lot on here and other sites, I think it was a combination of a higher dosage than normal, dehydration, lack of proper sleep the days leading up to the trip, and smoking weed that did her in. No history of seizures of blackouts other than that one incident.
I don't say this to scare anyone off of tripping, but just to educate and share the only real negative experience I've had. Make sure your body is prepared for the trip (sleep + hydration) and know how to take care of someone having a seizure or pseudoseizure. Important things to remember are not to physically restrain them, but remove objects they could hurt themselves on. Rolling them onto their side makes breathing easier and choking less likely. Do not perform CPR or mouth to mouth unless it lasts several minutes. I hesitate to give any advice on calling an ambulance, but I would give them a couple minutes to snap out of it on their own. After they come to they will probably be very confused and scared, so you need to remain calm, help them to understand what happened, and help them get back into a good state of mind. Food and water will help, but only after they are fully in control, you don't want them lapsing into another seizure/blackout while swallowing or chewing.
She understandably had some problems remembering the time directly before her episode, but she remembers something feeling funny with her head. We now prepare better for our trips, understand that this is a potential side effect, and I know what to look for so I can make sure she's in a safe spot if something similar happens in the future. Let's just say face first on concrete isn't the best spot. Just knowing that we are better prepared is a great comfort to her so if this happens in the future it won't ruin the rest of the trip.
Alright, enough depressing shit, happy (and safe) tripping all!
Something similar happened to my wife. She was stoned on a really hot summer day and dehydrated. Just collapsed in front of me. Retrospectively, experiencing your partner collapse in front of you is waaaaaaay worse than when it's happening to yourself. Good luck with your future enterprises!
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Mokujin]
#22435421 - 10/26/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've almost fainted twice on mushrooms and have never experienced it with any other psychedelic. That's part of the reason I prefer LSD because it is really freaky to experience that on mushrooms as it feels like death is among me. Anyway, both times that it has happened I have had zero energy to move my body and I get tunnel vision the second I try to stand up. Although it's freaky, it is pretty cool because the visuals are the most visible at this point but I feel like I'm in for trips more for listening to music and chilling inside my alternated headspace.
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Shabs]
#22436318 - 10/26/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shabs said: .....A couple hours in, I suggested smoking a little to help calm her stomach down, she took a couple hits and said she felt a lot better.
We decided to go on a bike ride, and started to pump up the tires. She helped with my bike, then just said "I can't." and stopped. I figured she was just having a hard time concentrating, so I moved on to her bike and saw her clutch over....I got her to snap out of it and tried to help her inside when she passed out again in my arms. She was making choking/vomiting noises, her eyes crossed and rolled back into her head, and then she went totally silent. Scariest moment of my life as you can imagine.
.... Time dilation makes it impossible to tell, but it was probably between 30-60 seconds total. We ended up just lying in bed for the next two hours and everything was OK. After reading a lot on here and other sites, I think it was a combination of a higher dosage than normal, dehydration, lack of proper sleep the days leading up to the trip, and smoking weed that did her in. No history of seizures of blackouts other than that one incident......
This too sounds exactly like it was caused by low blood pressure/not enough oxygen making it to the brain.
If she has no history of seizures, what she experienced was likely "convulsive syncope". What happened to her was catalyzed by the same thing that happened to the original poster of the thread, which is low blood pressure (dehydration can contribute to low blood pressure as well).
1/2 the time I have experienced syncope, I experience convulsions along with it. Convulsions with syncope isn't that uncommon, so it's nothing to be too concerned about (though no doubt it can be a bit frightening when it happens if no one knows what's actually happening or causing it) .
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: openmind]
#22436993 - 10/26/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Op,
I was at a festival almost 8 years ago and ate two chocolates that were way stronger than I was expecting. I was 18 and stupid, so I didn't know any better or know much about mushrooms/ego death. Long story short, some friends came to my camp site and one particular friend kept dumping keif on top of bowls. For some reason in my head, I was continuing to smoke because I wanted to appear "normal".
After they left, I apparently fell out of my chair on the ground and started spasming like it was a seizure. I woke up scared as hell with a friend who was freaking out too.
To this day I dunno what caused it.
Fwiw, I haven't eaten a dose less than 7g of standard cubes (or equivalent) in 2 years. I only trip in high doses and do it alone in the dark. I've never had pleasant mushroom experiences around others nor do I take mushrooms for a "pleasant experience." If I want pleasure I take LSD as its a good psychedelic for beginners, since it's so benign and consistent.
Mushrooms give you what you need but not necessarily what you want. Even my most horrible mushroom trips have changed me. It's a shame so many people don't like them because they aren't very recreational. People think it's about taking the drug before the show, which works great for LSD...mushrooms not so much.
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Re: Got knocked out by shrooms [Re: Big Bear]
#22439612 - 10/27/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Big Bear said: Op,
I was at a festival almost 8 years ago and ate two chocolates that were way stronger than I was expecting. I was 18 and stupid, so I didn't know any better or know much about mushrooms/ego death. Long story short, some friends came to my camp site and one particular friend kept dumping keif on top of bowls. For some reason in my head, I was continuing to smoke because I wanted to appear "normal".
After they left, I apparently fell out of my chair on the ground and started spasming like it was a seizure. I woke up scared as hell with a friend who was freaking out too.
To this day I dunno what caused it.
Fwiw, I haven't eaten a dose less than 7g of standard cubes (or equivalent) in 2 years. I only trip in high doses and do it alone in the dark. I've never had pleasant mushroom experiences around others nor do I take mushrooms for a "pleasant experience." If I want pleasure I take LSD as its a good psychedelic for beginners, since it's so benign and consistent.
Mushrooms give you what you need but not necessarily what you want. Even my most horrible mushroom trips have changed me. It's a shame so many people don't like them because they aren't very recreational. People think it's about taking the drug before the show, which works great for LSD...mushrooms not so much.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I think psychedelics are nothing recreational. Not even low doses of acid should be taken for partying. They are a sacred thing and should be treated as such. Just my 2 cents.
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