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why is alcohol seen as a party drug?
    #22431009 - 10/25/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's just a depressant, sedates you, takes away inhibitions, but you also feel so slow, can't hold an intelligent conversation anymore and you just come across as an idiot to ppl who are not drunk. I've never understood the appeal of alcohol so I may be biased.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22431018 - 10/25/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just depends on how you define "partying".

I don't know what to say. Other than, because it's the ultimate party drug.

Makes everyone loose, takes us out of our everyday thoughts and allows us to act a fool.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22431020 - 10/25/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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happyshroomer123 said:
It's just a depressant, sedates you, takes away inhibitions, but you also feel so slow, can't hold an intelligent conversation anymore and you just come across as an idiot to ppl who are not drunk.



This is exactly the reason alcohol is a party drug


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123] * 4
    #22431022 - 10/25/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

because it's a great party drug


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123] * 3
    #22431023 - 10/25/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

because alcohol often leads to surprise buttseks.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Lucis]
    #22431047 - 10/25/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

well I'm probably biased but I never really enjoyed alcohol. I often go drinking with friends but I only drink because that's what's expected socially and it's boring if you're sober while your friends are not. It doesn't give me any euphoria though and while it does remove inhibitions it never helped me to overcome my 'approach anxiety' when it comes to talking to girls because I know I'll make a fool of myself and probably would've a better chance when sober. I have discovered my strength when it comes to picking up girls is just talking to them in a bar and getting to know them, but in a club setting, where non verbal communication is so vital I just don't feel comfortable there and alcohol didn't help me while it may have helped others maybe that's why I became biased.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22431051 - 10/25/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:lolsy:
Alcohol allows me to be more socially Open, more able to talk, it loosens me up a bit.

Like the others here said, yea, all of what you listed is why its a party drug.:underage:


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #22431054 - 10/25/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'll drink alcohol just to get trashed.  If I want to open up and be more social I just take my medication as prescribed.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: MajickMuffin] * 3
    #22431070 - 10/25/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alcohol is ubiquitous, its use dates back 12,000 years and for many cultures in antiquity it was if not the only known way to get high, certainly the easiest and most readily available.    So for many cultures, their festivals, rituals and even some aspects of their religion were centered around or at least developed in the presence of alcohol.  Thus, cultural history and tradition secure this relatively dangerous dissociative's position as the culturally acceptable inebriate of choice for social hour.  Dionysus commands you to party. 


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22431155 - 10/25/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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, takes away inhibitions.




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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22431222 - 10/25/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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why is alcohol seen as a party drug?
It takes away inhibitions




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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Asante] * 3
    #22431232 - 10/25/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's such a toxic drug though. I purposely drink almost nothing - perhaps a cider when out with friends every now and then.
Alcohol kills brain cells and kills your liver. It's quite neurotoxic. High addictive, and cold turkey withdrawals will likely result in death.  Yet people go crazy about marijuana and MDMA.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 1
    #22431241 - 10/25/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and cold turkey withdrawals will likely result in death.





Will likely result in death?  Or has a chance to?


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Cyclohexylamine] * 1
    #22431261 - 10/25/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not Michaelangelo, so parties are not something I look forward to.

Some time ago I had one which among people featured my dad. I snuck away twice to rectally administer 15mg of MXE, and of course didnt drink. (I drink only very few glasses a month) I was right on top of the party, outgoing and joyful, and it helped catalyze others being more lively also. After the party my dad said "I don't know what you took and if its good for you, but you were at your best, I never seen you like this at a party."

Higher doses draw me deeper into myself though and then I want to be alone.

A low dose of MXE though, 5-15mg oral or rectal, is superb, it almost obliterates your inhibitions and imparts euphoria.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: TheMovement]
    #22431266 - 10/25/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and cold turkey withdrawals will likely result in death.





Will likely result in death?  Or has a chance to?





If not properly treated - yes - most likely. Delirium tremors and grand mal seizures as a result of GABA drug abuse is no joke.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: TheMovement]
    #22431267 - 10/25/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and cold turkey withdrawals will likely result in death.





Will likely result in death?  Or has a chance to?




Depends on the dose. In Russia they grade alcoholics by whether thery drink 1,2,3 or 4 bottles of vodka a day. Yes, such alcoholism can be quite lethal if you quit it cold turkey. You'd slip into DT and die.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Asante]
    #22431288 - 10/25/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whats the best way to taper then?


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: 1234go]
    #22431298 - 10/25/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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because it's the ultimate party drug.






I don't know, man. Ever smoke cocaine?


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22431311 - 10/25/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, didn't exactly put me in party mode. Ha.

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: 1234go]
    #22431317 - 10/25/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not a big fan of powder, but freebase definitely falls in the "party drug" category for me.

I don't really like alcohol, though. So :shrug:


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22431330 - 10/25/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't either. But when I'm out with friends, it helps me loosen the goose if you will.

When I first started doing coke, it was fun and I could enjoy myself on it.

Nowadays, I just get really pissed off. Ha


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: 1234go]
    #22431339 - 10/25/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Honestly, I'm not too awful big on cocaine. As a stimulant, it's a waste of money. If I wanted to get up, I'd spend half as much on some form of amphetamine and stay up twice as long.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace] * 3
    #22431354 - 10/25/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Staring out the blinds isn't my idea of a party. And I used to love that shit.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: TheMovement]
    #22431422 - 10/25/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Whats the best way to taper then?





Very gradually, without sudden dosage swings.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Asante]
    #22431433 - 10/25/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Parties are not something I look forward to.

Some time ago I had one which among people featured my dad. I snuck away twice to rectally administer 15mg of MXE, and of course didnt drink.





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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #22431439 - 10/25/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, they even knew that I rectal dosed it, I just didnt announce the moments or do it in front of them :ohyou:




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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Asante]
    #22431673 - 10/25/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

cocaine changes forms to a more potent 'cocaethonal' when alcohol is present in the body.

It makes coke last three times as long and more euphoric.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: hTx]
    #22431680 - 10/25/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And is so fucking dangerous it's unreal

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22431703 - 10/25/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, there are much better drugs out there then alcohol..but its just tradition, loss of inhibitions, going out and having an excuse to act fucking retarded.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22431717 - 10/25/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Regarding the OP, i find the sedating effect depends heavily on the amount of alcohol you take.

First, it loosens you up, there theres a excited state of energy aand talking loud then later you start getting tipsy then even later you start getting slow and want to pass out.

Alcohol is weird in the sense that it "takes over" and you are along for the ride. Thats where u see like alternative personalities of a person whos nice while sober, and a fuckin dick while drunk. And vice versa.

Can definitely get dissocaited at higher doses where you are detached and totally shit faced and have no control over yourself.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22431738 - 10/25/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I can definitely get why people like alcohol. It just ain't my thing.

Hell, back when my Pawpaw was in better shape, we made a fuckton of whiskey. Our livelihood depended on people's desire to drink. So I get it. But, fuck, there's just so many better drugs out there.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22431754 - 10/25/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on the spirit.

Wine has me emotional and slithering all over the floor trying to weave my way into everything.

Scotch goads me into having god head, I feel so pure and clean and do as I please. Which, depending on the environment, can be very good or very bad!


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22431820 - 10/25/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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can't hold an intelligent conversation anymore and you just come across as an idiot to ppl who are not drunk.



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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: California]
    #22431996 - 10/25/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Word. Hemingway wrote his best ideas drunk and edited sober.

Some of the most insightful and thought provoking moments have been while I was tipped on the wings of a spirit. Don't underestimate their clarity.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: MoxyOx]
    #22432000 - 10/25/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alan Watts too, he always had a drink in his hand like Julian from trailer park boys.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: hTx]
    #22432054 - 10/25/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Because I can drink and jump up and down all night without giving a fuck

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123] * 1
    #22432191 - 10/25/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I can understand not enjoying alcohol. I can't understand being so dense as to not get why other people enjoy alcohol.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Asante]
    #22432601 - 10/25/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not Michaelangelo, so parties are not something I look forward to.

Some time ago I had one which among people featured my dad. I snuck away twice to rectally administer 15mg of MXE, and of course didnt drink. (I drink only very few glasses a month) I was right on top of the party, outgoing and joyful, and it helped catalyze others being more lively also. After the party my dad said "I don't know what you took and if its good for you, but you were at your best, I never seen you like this at a party."

Higher doses draw me deeper into myself though and then I want to be alone.

A low dose of MXE though, 5-15mg oral or rectal, is superb, it almost obliterates your inhibitions and imparts euphoria.



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    #22432629 - 10/25/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Asante]
    #22432795 - 10/25/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

OP: people like an excuse to be stupid. it brings out their innate need for stupidity in their lives. why wouldn't you drink? you have standards? LOL


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22432829 - 10/25/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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OP: people like an excuse to be stupid. it brings out their innate need for stupidity in their lives. why wouldn't you drink? you have standards? LOL



I don't need alcohol as an excuse to be stupid.  Good day, sir.
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: California]
    #22432841 - 10/25/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

fighting the good fight, i see.


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    #22432857 - 10/25/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: California]
    #22432903 - 10/25/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22432953 - 10/25/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alcohol is considered a party drug because for most people it makes them more social and more likely to dance and let loose. When you said "Can't hold an intelligent conversation" your obviously talking about the extreme cases when someone is shit faced. In that scenario it's not a party drug but most people who drink and go out will only have 3 to 5 drinks which just helps them let loose.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Magicman69]
    #22432958 - 10/25/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

those people must be really really boring.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22433943 - 10/25/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it's the high energy from all the grain and the reduced inhibitions that make their face go DERP


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    #22434018 - 10/25/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And there's always the fact that it's legal :shrug:


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22434198 - 10/25/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alcohol almost always makes me sick and hung over, even 1-2 drinks can have me throwing up till 2 pm the next day... I don't normally drink when I go out, but for me it's a social thing I guess.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22434230 - 10/25/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's just a depressant, sedates you, takes away inhibitions, but you also feel so slow, can't hold an intelligent conversation anymore and you just come across as an idiot to ppl who are not drunk. I've never understood the appeal of alcohol so I may be biased.




Is kava kava a party drug? Or do people drink it then sit around a fire enjoying good times.

I like using alcohol to chill out around close friends or with close friends and other people who I might not know as well. I don't like the whole loud music, people standing up dancing the entire time environment. I like the.. lets sit around and drink and do shit to nothing environment. That's just me tho... You know.. not as many people.. nice airconditioning.. a couch... what ever.. just lazy as fuck ya know. lol.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #22434305 - 10/26/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's such a toxic drug though. I purposely drink almost nothing - perhaps a cider when out with friends every now and then.
Alcohol kills brain cells and kills your liver. It's quite neurotoxic. High addictive, and cold turkey withdrawals will likely result in death.  Yet people go crazy about marijuana and MDMA.



Lord jesus christ seriously. Someone fucking had to say it. Dont get me wrong, I drink here and there, but I openly acknolwedge the fact that it is not healthy at all. I would venture to say it is more descrutive than opiates in many ways. IMO amps and alc are the worst for my health but thats just experience


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    #22434315 - 10/26/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have been using GHB in place of alc 1-2 times a week and I feel much healthier and more productive


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: topdog82]
    #22434323 - 10/26/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The dose makes the poison, a bit of alcohol gets your blood flowing and your heart strong.

I recall a show featuring a centennial who began his day with 2 pints of beer.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: topdog82]
    #22434333 - 10/26/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I have been using GHB in place of alc 1-2 times a week and I feel much healthier and more productive




I totally agree. I came off a week + binge and only had problems sleeping (not uncommon for me).

Alcohol gives me the DT's and I feel like death and seizures for 5 + days.

I also don't feel sick and disgusting the next day after I do G like I do liquor.

No comparison.

Re: OP -- People like to loosen their inhibitions at parties and not seem as socially awkward as they usually are :lol:


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #22434483 - 10/26/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And there's always the fact that it's legal :shrug:




So true.

Its hard to party when youre paranoid about getting arrested.

Makes u wonder...what if all drugs were legal and sold in stores. Would alcohol still be King of party drugs?

I think it still might....


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22434606 - 10/26/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #22434619 - 10/26/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

because women tend to get naked when they drink too much of it


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: happyshroomer123]
    #22434645 - 10/26/15 03:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's just a depressant, sedates you, takes away inhibitions, but you also feel so slow, can't hold an intelligent conversation anymore and you just come across as an idiot to ppl who are not drunk. I've never understood the appeal of alcohol so I may be biased.




Well that's dose dependent.

A bit of alcohol to loosen the vocal chords and the mind for a bit of intelligent banter is not unheard of.

While one person is a blathering leper, another may be the most reasonable speaker in the room.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: LobsterSauce] * 1
    #22434685 - 10/26/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #22434713 - 10/26/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Its made with prunes too! Kutbier met pruimen.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #22435108 - 10/26/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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and cold turkey withdrawals will likely result in death.





Will likely result in death?  Or has a chance to?





If not properly treated - yes - most likely. Delirium tremors and grand mal seizures as a result of GABA drug abuse is no joke.



I'm skeptical of this claim. Can you link any studies showing that death is more likely than not in untreated alcohol withdrawal?


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
    #22435118 - 10/26/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Look it up mate, that shit's been known for decades by science, and for centuries by people in general.

Like, you can google shit if you're skeptical, and then draw your own conclusions based on what you have read, which you can share to add to the discussion...

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22435135 - 10/26/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Look it up mate, that shit's been known for decades by science, and for centuries by people in general.




What has, that death can occur from alcohol withdrawal or that it occurs more than half the time? Traditionally in a debate the person who makes a claim is the one who provides the evidence for it.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
    #22435151 - 10/26/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We're not in a high school debate team, I mean shit, google is right there in the right corner of my browser, what gives?


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22435154 - 10/26/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:stonedjerk:

I've already looked for evidence the the rate is that high and didn't find it. That's why I'm asking him for his source. If you don't have a source for it either, I'll wait for the person I was actually speaking to to respond.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
    #22435167 - 10/26/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't care about death from alcohol withdrawal anyway, but on this webzone people just keep on asking for "evidence" or some shit while google is right there in the corner!

And when some poor sob does go through all the trouble of posting his findings neatly and organized, he gets ignored anyway and two pages later the whole thing starts again.

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    #22435176 - 10/26/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What makes you think I didn't already use Google before asking?


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
    #22435182 - 10/26/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why the hell would you ask something you already know?
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22435189 - 10/26/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Let me spell it out for you: I can find no evidence that the death rate is that high. So that's why I asked what his source was.


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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
    #22435196 - 10/26/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You could have just said THAT instead of being all coy about it, you know.

Wanna drink some cunt beer with me? It's got prumes and shit.


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    #22435264 - 10/26/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You could have just said THAT instead of being all coy about it, you know.




:kummeli:


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Wanna drink some cunt beer with me? It's got prumes and shit.




:lol: I dunno, it doesn't sound very appealing from what you describe.




Anyway, this is what I found in a preliminary search:
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Although seemingly benign, alcohol withdrawal seizures left untreated progress to delirium tremens in nearly one-third of patients



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Approximately 5 percent of patients who undergo withdrawal from alcohol suffer from DT.



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Mortality — DT is associated with a mortality rate of up to 5 percent. This figure has diminished from a 37 percent mortality rate reported in the early 20th century, probably as a result of earlier diagnosis, improvements in supportive and pharmacologic therapies, and improved treatment of comorbid illnesses [2,22-26].




http://www.uptodate.com/contents/management-of-moderate-and-severe-alcohol-withdrawal-syndromes

So in cases where there was delirium tremens it looks like it was in the general ballpark of 50% mortality rate without modern treatments (though obviously this does not directly tell us what it would be with no treatment at all,) but delirium tremens itself doesn't always happen in withdrawal. Not sure about non-DT deaths as I did not see this mentioned. If mild cases of alcohol withdrawal are included (he didn't limit his statement to severe cases, just any cold-turkey withdrawal,) I don't see how overall mortality could be anywhere near the majority of cases. But maybe I'm wrong and there is some reliable source stating otherwise, which is why I asked.

Anyway I gotta head out but I will be back on later.


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    #22435299 - 10/26/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cunt beer. A tribute to the cunt from Den Bosch.





You got to post a review in the Beer forum





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    #22435346 - 10/26/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm skeptical of this claim. Can you link any studies showing that death is more likely than not in untreated alcohol withdrawal?




edit: doh >.<  just saw your other post

oh well, was in another tab

hah, would have helped if delirium tremens was spelled properly

there's a wiki on it; it says currently, death occurs in 1-4% of cases

you have to keep in mind though, most alcoholics have it happen more than once

which is why it is fatal when untreated in 35% of people

though only 5-10% of alcoholics get the DT's


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    #22435371 - 10/26/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cunt beer. A tribute to the cunt from Den Bosch.





You got to post a review in the Beer forum


Café The Cunt



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What, do they brew it with pussy yeast or something?
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    #22435412 - 10/26/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Cunt beer. A tribute to the cunt from Den Bosch.




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Cunt beer. A tribute to the cunt from Den Bosch.




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