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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#22434713 - 10/26/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its made with prunes too! Kutbier met pruimen.
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Cyclohexylamine said: and cold turkey withdrawals will likely result in death.
Will likely result in death? Or has a chance to?
If not properly treated - yes - most likely. Delirium tremors and grand mal seizures as a result of GABA drug abuse is no joke.
I'm skeptical of this claim. Can you link any studies showing that death is more likely than not in untreated alcohol withdrawal?
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
#22435118 - 10/26/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look it up mate, that shit's been known for decades by science, and for centuries by people in general.
Like, you can google shit if you're skeptical, and then draw your own conclusions based on what you have read, which you can share to add to the discussion...
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22435135 - 10/26/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Look it up mate, that shit's been known for decades by science, and for centuries by people in general.
What has, that death can occur from alcohol withdrawal or that it occurs more than half the time? Traditionally in a debate the person who makes a claim is the one who provides the evidence for it.
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
#22435151 - 10/26/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We're not in a high school debate team, I mean shit, google is right there in the right corner of my browser, what gives?
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22435154 - 10/26/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've already looked for evidence the the rate is that high and didn't find it. That's why I'm asking him for his source. If you don't have a source for it either, I'll wait for the person I was actually speaking to to respond.
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
#22435167 - 10/26/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't care about death from alcohol withdrawal anyway, but on this webzone people just keep on asking for "evidence" or some shit while google is right there in the corner!
And when some poor sob does go through all the trouble of posting his findings neatly and organized, he gets ignored anyway and two pages later the whole thing starts again.
 So just use google mate.
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22435176 - 10/26/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What makes you think I didn't already use Google before asking?
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
#22435182 - 10/26/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why the hell would you ask something you already know?
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22435189 - 10/26/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let me spell it out for you: I can find no evidence that the death rate is that high. So that's why I asked what his source was.
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
#22435196 - 10/26/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You could have just said THAT instead of being all coy about it, you know.
Wanna drink some cunt beer with me? It's got prumes and shit.
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem] 1
#22435264 - 10/26/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: You could have just said THAT instead of being all coy about it, you know.

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Wanna drink some cunt beer with me? It's got prumes and shit.
I dunno, it doesn't sound very appealing from what you describe.
Anyway, this is what I found in a preliminary search:
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Although seemingly benign, alcohol withdrawal seizures left untreated progress to delirium tremens in nearly one-third of patients
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Mortality — DT is associated with a mortality rate of up to 5 percent. This figure has diminished from a 37 percent mortality rate reported in the early 20th century, probably as a result of earlier diagnosis, improvements in supportive and pharmacologic therapies, and improved treatment of comorbid illnesses [2,22-26].
http://www.uptodate.com/contents/management-of-moderate-and-severe-alcohol-withdrawal-syndromes
So in cases where there was delirium tremens it looks like it was in the general ballpark of 50% mortality rate without modern treatments (though obviously this does not directly tell us what it would be with no treatment at all,) but delirium tremens itself doesn't always happen in withdrawal. Not sure about non-DT deaths as I did not see this mentioned. If mild cases of alcohol withdrawal are included (he didn't limit his statement to severe cases, just any cold-turkey withdrawal,) I don't see how overall mortality could be anywhere near the majority of cases. But maybe I'm wrong and there is some reliable source stating otherwise, which is why I asked.
Anyway I gotta head out but I will be back on later.
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22435299 - 10/26/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cunt beer. A tribute to the cunt from Den Bosch.
You got to post a review in the Beer forum

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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: psi]
#22435346 - 10/26/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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psi said: I'm skeptical of this claim. Can you link any studies showing that death is more likely than not in untreated alcohol withdrawal?
edit: doh >.< just saw your other post
oh well, was in another tab
hah, would have helped if delirium tremens was spelled properly
there's a wiki on it; it says currently, death occurs in 1-4% of cases
you have to keep in mind though, most alcoholics have it happen more than once
which is why it is fatal when untreated in 35% of people
though only 5-10% of alcoholics get the DT's
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Asante]
#22435371 - 10/26/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cunt beer. A tribute to the cunt from Den Bosch.
You got to post a review in the Beer forum

Café The Cunt
What, do they brew it with pussy yeast or something?
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Re: why is alcohol seen as a party drug? [Re: Turtletotem]
#22435412 - 10/26/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cunt beer. A tribute to the cunt from Den Bosch.
bhahahahahahah
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#22435570 - 10/26/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cunt beer. A tribute to the cunt from Den Bosch.
bhahahahahahah

I just have to translate what it says on the bottle 
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CUNTBEER Blond with prunes
Ode to the Cunt of Den Bosch
She dyes her hair preferably in the most unnatural color possible. She wears lots of makeup and draws her eyebrows the way she likes it. When she zips by on her moped the men of Den Bosch say: "Looking good cunt!" Cuntbeer is an ode to her and the pearl of the Den Bosch dialect.
CHEERS CUNT!
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