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Demons and what to do about them
    #22430415 - 10/25/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hello all!

I have consumed LSD seven times in my life so far.
Now, the first four trips were amazing in both fun (synesthesia is one of my favourite things to experience!) and introspective ways.

However, my last three trips have started out pretty much the same as that, but then a few hours after the effects start, these demon things that look straight out of some sort of Eastern mythology appear in the visuals, constantly shifting between about three different facial expressions and also forming this huge mass that I can only describe as "spider-like".

I'm not scared of them, since I know that they are only in my head, and thus cannot harm me, but without such a hold on that fact as I do, they'd be quite terrifying.
Even with my lack of fear, however, they still prevent me from enjoying the trip because they never go away, and are constantly attempting to "attack" me.

I've tried various methods to try and make them go away, from telling them to "begone" and other variations, simply watching them while meditating in hopes that they'll realise that I'm not scared of them of them at all and they'll just go away, and also just completely ignoring them, none of which work.

Does anyone have any more advice?
My set and setting have been the same as they were on two of my good trips.

Thank you.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430425 - 10/25/15 03:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Can you converse with them?


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: sheptownboi]
    #22430450 - 10/25/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You sure what your taking is LSD? Is there any taste to the blotter/liquid? What were your doses when you see these so called demons?


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #22430459 - 10/25/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

@sheptownboi: No, I can't. I've asked them "why are you here?" and such, but they never make a sound.

@LincolnCityTripper: Yes, I am. There is no taste. These particular tabs were sold as 120ug. The first two times I saw the demons, I had three and a half, which I had been to previously with no problems at all (and similar doses with a different batch of LSD) , and the last time, one and a half, just to see if they still appeared at a lower dose.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430464 - 10/25/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

hmm, curious.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430467 - 10/25/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm? Strange, I've taken LSD 100s of times at all different types of doses, high, low, mid and have never seen demons. Hopefully some one will be able to help you with similar experiences.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430485 - 10/25/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

just wanted to chime in because I know someone who experienced a very similar thing. A close family member of mine took like 2 hits and saw demons. She was on a train alone heading to Philadelphia I believe (horrible setting lol) and thought it wouldn't kick in untill she got to her destination.

Anyways when she was on the train she started trippin hard. She saw demons and described them in a very similar way as you. One of the demons was on the train going down the aisle. when it realized she may be able to see her it stopped next to her seat. She continued to face forward and try to play it off as if she didn't see him, and eventually he continued on. She also saw larger demons flying in the sky.

Later into this trip she told me she got to her destination, and someone mentioned the word crack. Almost instantaneously a large demon came into the room and began sharking the individual who mentioned the word.

I believe what shes told me 100%. She hasn't done LSD since then but has never encountered them again while on shrooms. maybe try shrooming and see if they come? Also I'm just curious, do your demons fly or stand on their legs?


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Designer Drugs]
    #22430498 - 10/25/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

@Designer Drugs: They don't have any bodies, except when they form into that "mass" if you can consider that a body. Apart from that, they're just faces.

For reference, one of the faces is extremely alike to the one with the tongue sticking out in the centre of this (not my artwork)


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430512 - 10/25/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you see these demons with eyes closed or open? It would make more sense with eyes closed to me because I've seen similar faces with eyes closed but I wouldn't call them demons.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #22430534 - 10/25/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

@LincolnCityTripper: Both. Usually my CEVS are also projected with eyes open as well, however a bit less vividly and intense than when closed.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430565 - 10/25/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Are they trying to attack you...or are they trying to keep your attention?


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22430573 - 10/25/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

LocN9ne: It definitely seems more like an attack; they keep rushing straight at me.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430586 - 10/25/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I know how dumb and unreal this type of shit sounds for the most part...and I'm not spiritual in any way shape or from...but I do feel a sense of teaching or whatever when I trip... I had this one trip where ALL of the visuals were screaming "stop" and I mean all of them, fuckin bizarre...I had been trippin a little too frequently at the time, so after that I cut it back to like once a month and haven't had any negative shit that I was feeling...idk, probably rambling...how often are you dosing?


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22430590 - 10/25/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well the first few times I ever tripped, there were only a few weeks in between each, but the last four times have had at least a month in between each.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430613 - 10/25/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You got any other vices in your life that you been hitting a little too hard? Drinking, pills, anything like that?


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22430638 - 10/25/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

could be many things:

1-your own negative thoughts taking this form

2-real demons

3-people's negative energy and thoughts towards you

4-c.jung's archetypes

or many other explanations.

well you are not afraid that's good...but still do you feel good when you look at em?
if you don't get a good vibe by staring at em or trying to understand why they are here and analyzing em...etc...
then why face em in the first place, just turn around, look the other way, if they are following you always ignore em and turn your face the other way....if they are everywhere, then you have done your part, let it be, nothing more to do.
but i wouldn't fight em off or try to understand em, unless understanding comes on its own...its too hard to understand the self really!


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: oontribe]
    #22430666 - 10/25/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

@LocN9ne: No, the only other vice I have is cannabis, which has no detectable negative impacts (laziness/demotivation, anxiety, dependence etc) on me.

@Oontribe: They seem very malicious. One of their facial expressions is one of such intense rage and hatred that, as I said, would be very scary if I were unprepared for them.
I can't look away, they move with my vision

It would be a bummer if I had to leave them be, as they distract me from doing anything meaningful or very enjoyable on the trip.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22430757 - 10/25/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

if you are tripping indoor maybe you should watch some psychedelic pictures or mandalas when this happens, and thats if there is no where else to go.
(still they might manifest there, and i don't recommend watching alex gray's pictures)

and as i told ruski if there is nothing to do and you have done your part, then let it happen, don't fight it or escape from it anymore. accept whatever happens in your trip and everything shall pass...just be passive and certainly don't fight fire with fire!
and you are more aware of the situation than anyone here and see whats works best for you.

and yea try mushrooms!

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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: oontribe] * 1
    #22430780 - 10/25/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Embrace that shit... maybe your just a twisted motherfucker deep down...lol...no point in over thinking it... when you start seeing them sober, then you got an issue.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22431229 - 10/25/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Smudge them out with sage.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22431463 - 10/25/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You might try smudging with white sage, sweet grass, or palo santo.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22431471 - 10/25/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Reach out your arms with a big embrace and hug them bass turds!


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Davesnothere]
    #22431816 - 10/25/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm with the others on this, embrace it. I get visions now and then of death and evil. I'm not religious at all. I find when I fight these visions I am left

upset and confused. But when I just allow the images to flow in it is almost as if the message has been received and I am content. Now I have no fucking idea

what the message is. Like one the others said, maybe there is just some sick twisted shit down inside.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: TrippieHunter]
    #22432128 - 10/25/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't just embrace them, try to explicitly send them love. If you're really not afraid, embracing and sending love shouldn't be a problem.

They're probably ignored or repressed parts of you mind or emotional self, looking for acknowledgement and empathy. Consider them lost, frightened and angry children, and send them all the empathy and love you can. Throw yourself at them and invite them to devour you. Chances are they'll transform into something less threatening, or vanish altogether. Maybe you can learn something about yourself in the process, if in some way or other they reveal what they are about in the process.

Good luck for your next trips.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22432190 - 10/25/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with everybody who is saying embrace them, integrate them into yourself.

This has happened to me in the past and the only thing that made all the negativity go away was accepting them for what they are, whether they are negative aspects of yourself or something else.

It also helps to have a trip sitter.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Sham87]
    #22433995 - 10/25/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Listen to this to calm your mind:

youtube /watch?v=2FQSOGWNUI8


Edited by Aureus (10/25/15 11:34 PM)


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Aureus]
    #22435216 - 10/26/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I too have seen demons on acid, quite a few times.

They seem quite malevolent, actively trying to pry into my brain, or some kind of spiritual attack.

I'm not saying I 'believe' these demons are real, but they could be I suppose.
It's either a subconscious manifestation, or real...

More likely to be a subconscious manifestation though, try and tie up any loose ends in your life before you next trip. :laugh:


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: ruski esplin]
    #22435377 - 10/26/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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ruski esplin said:
Hello all!

I have consumed LSD seven times in my life so far.
Now, the first four trips were amazing in both fun (synesthesia is one of my favourite things to experience!) and introspective ways.

However, my last three trips have started out pretty much the same as that, but then a few hours after the effects start, these demon things that look straight out of some sort of Eastern mythology appear in the visuals, constantly shifting between about three different facial expressions and also forming this huge mass that I can only describe as "spider-like".

I'm not scared of them, since I know that they are only in my head, and thus cannot harm me, but without such a hold on that fact as I do, they'd be quite terrifying.
Even with my lack of fear, however, they still prevent me from enjoying the trip because they never go away, and are constantly attempting to "attack" me.

I've tried various methods to try and make them go away, from telling them to "begone" and other variations, simply watching them while meditating in hopes that they'll realise that I'm not scared of them of them at all and they'll just go away, and also just completely ignoring them, none of which work.

Does anyone have any more advice?
My set and setting have been the same as they were on two of my good trips.

Thank you.




Have you tried praying or using a sacred object such a crucifix? In my experience, demons really dislike crucifixes.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22435672 - 10/26/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Have you tried praying or using a sacred object such a crucifix? In my experience, demons really dislike crucifixes.





They're not demons from christianity, they're more like evil beings from other quantum universe. Christianity and all religions are just a bullshit made up by primitive humans who took psychedelics and didn't understand what they saw.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Aureus] * 1
    #22435717 - 10/26/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You think folks Buddha and Jesus and Lau Tzu were primitive people who took psychedelics and didn't understand the experience but you understand it? Ok, whatever but if you understand it so well then why are you asking us?


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22435822 - 10/26/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, what did I ask? I'm not the OP dude.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Aureus]
    #22435858 - 10/26/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

my bad but if youre not the OP then then whats it to you? i suggested prayer and sacred objects, practices which literally billions of people have found effective against evil for eons of time. its up to the OP if he wishes to take my suggestion.


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Re: Demons and what to do about them [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22447298 - 10/28/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you all for your suggestions so far. I will keep them all in consideration if they show up again on my next trip.


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