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OfflineThanatos10
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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #22437583 - 10/26/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You need to take your insight and meditation with you after your psychadelic experience;




I'm not really interested in the experience. But it's like a nagging obsession in my head. Kind of like someone pointing a gun at you and telling you that you must or else. Thing is, I don't know why.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22443593 - 10/28/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don't really understand your feeling of subjection/gun to head? 

Have you tried any of the Jhana meditations or Yoga Nidra?  You might find more satisfaction in those.

I came here due to experiences during meditations, which I was told were trippy, seeking help in how to digest them.  So it's entirely possible to have those experiences dry.

And Imho, there are many ways to have a psych. experience....someone correct me if I'm off, but I gather it has more to do with force/purity of concentration coupled with relaxation.  But if you don't want experiences you don't have to have any, it's not neccessary for growth to force it.  It does happen on it's own.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Thecollective]
    #22443892 - 10/28/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And Imho, there are many ways to have a psych. experience....someone correct me if I'm off, but I gather it has more to do with force/purity of concentration coupled with relaxation.




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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #22466146 - 11/02/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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And Imho, there are many ways to have a psych. experience....someone correct me if I'm off, but I gather it has more to do with force/purity of concentration coupled with relaxation.




:yesnod:



This times a million. QFT


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22493520 - 11/07/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

For enlightened living, you need meditation, but you do not need psychedelics. However, they are enormously beneficial for the vast majority of users who use them mindfully. They are a tool to make the journey easier, faster. Rick Strassman talked about how a high prevalence of buddhist monks used psychedelics, and many of them would have been dedicated practitioners for decades and "would never really get the message" until they used psychedelics.

Really, I think if you are interested in mindful living, it's stupid to not use them. I think it's a misconception to say that it's cheating to use psychedelics or that the result is not real because it was easier. It's the same end result.

I'm not saying you need to use them very often at all -- definitely don't bite off more than you can chew -- but don't close yourself off to them. They are fantastic teachers, and loads of fun.

Oh, and let's be clear: you are never inferior for making any choice. You are human being and deserve love and respect, no matter what.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Love2Love]
    #22495982 - 11/08/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

But that's the thing. From what I hear many people taking I feel inferior for not doing it. The same was when people takes about alcohol and pot. Which is what eventually led me to trying them, sort of being badgered into it.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22496149 - 11/08/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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But that's the thing. From what I hear many people taking I feel inferior for not doing it. The same was when people takes about alcohol and pot. Which is what eventually led me to trying them, sort of being badgered into it.



Lol dont be. I go to college and party all the time. I am basically high as fuck on life so I rarely get drunk. I can't remember the last time I got drunk. I drink 1-3 drinks a night MAX on the weekends. SOmetimes I just drink water. If people offer me a drink/shot I turn them down and say Im "pacing myself"

At the end of the day, there is nothing wrong with educating yourself about the pro's and cons of certain things and trying things out


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: topdog82]
    #22496476 - 11/08/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not particularly experienced with psychedelics but I don't think you can really say much about the experience, and it IS about the experience, whether or not you 'take something from it', it is about being somewhere else, being something else. And that's it. There's far too much going on to think you can take much back with you. With mushrooms it's just "welcome to paradise, enjoy your 4 to 6 hour stay."


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: circastes]
    #22497162 - 11/08/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

4-6 hours? Geez that's too long for me.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22497253 - 11/08/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It seems clear that you're the type of person who does not like to have his consciousness altered.  This is totally normal, and common.  So the best course of action is obviously not to do it, end of story.  There is absolutely no shame in that.  It's perfectly clear you wouldn't enjoy a mushroom trip, so don't worry about what it might be like.  You wouldn't enjoy it.  So I wouldn't worry.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22497495 - 11/08/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Better not to use psychedelics imo if you are making good progress without them. Psychedelics are for people who are struggling, or people who really resonate with psychedelics.

They can also be a serious distraction and very damaging. I have had a fair amount of psychedelic experience and while I feel it did a lot more good for me than bad, it definitely did a lot of bad.

I also think there is an unfortunate and misguided obsession/reverence for psychedelics on forums like this where people tend to use spirituality as an excuse to get high.

I say this because I have recently begun exploring other "teacher plants", such as kava and amanita muscaria. You could call these psychedelic but their effects and mode of action are very different from drugs like psilocybin, mescaline and LSD. I find them to be much safer, gentler and far superior at the stage where I am at currently. Psychedelics helped to break down some barriers which something as gentle as kava simply would not break down because with kava you have the option to resist what it is trying to show you. If you take repeated high doses of psilocybin and mescaline like I did, you will eventually have to face subconscious material you may not want to face whether you like it or not.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22498832 - 11/09/15 01:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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But that's the thing. From what I hear many people taking I feel inferior for not doing it. The same was when people takes about alcohol and pot. Which is what eventually led me to trying them, sort of being badgered into it.




I'm going to give you some tough love. Grow the fuck up. You shouldn't put so much stock in other peoples opinions of you. Do things only because you want to. If someone is giving you shit for not doing something, fuck them, they are in the wrong. Take pride in your individuality.

But if you feel like you are missing out on something because everyone is raving about how good psychedelics are and you get curious, then do it. But do it because you want to, not because you don't want to be the odd man.

Also, I'm curious, why do you think that 4-6 hours is too long?


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Love2Love]
    #22498868 - 11/09/15 01:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I believe OP is afraid of psychedelics which is common for first timers or people who dont do drugs in general...  but give it a try man it will be the best day of your life


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Love2Love]
    #22499813 - 11/09/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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For enlightened living, you need meditation, but you do not need psychedelics. However, they are enormously beneficial for the vast majority of users who use them mindfully. They are a tool to make the journey easier, faster. Rick Strassman talked about how a high prevalence of buddhist monks used psychedelics, and many of them would have been dedicated practitioners for decades and "would never really get the message" until they used psychedelics.

Really, I think if you are interested in mindful living, it's stupid to not use them. I think it's a misconception to say that it's cheating to use psychedelics or that the result is not real because it was easier. It's the same end result.

I'm not saying you need to use them very often at all -- definitely don't bite off more than you can chew -- but don't close yourself off to them. They are fantastic teachers, and loads of fun.

Oh, and let's be clear: you are never inferior for making any choice. You are human being and deserve love and respect, no matter what.



Fuck me that's a wonderfully balanced response. Refreshing, very nicely said man. I wholeheartedly congratulate you.

Thantos - you would do very well to take this on-board IMO.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22500542 - 11/09/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I honestly don't have an interest in using them or taking anything really. I only took alcohol and pot so people would leave me alone. It seems like nobody respected my decisions and just kept bothering me until I yielded.

Also to be honest, I'm not 100% committed to the whole spiritual aspect. My philosophy is people can do whatever they want as long as they don't bug me or anyone else.


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Re: Meditation or Psychedelics? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #22518080 - 11/13/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well I for one just think it's a beautiful thing we live in a day and age a person can make this decision.  Furthermore Psychedelic experiences seem to be a very humanizing healthy time if handled correctly.


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