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Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay?
#22428955 - 10/24/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I need my friends here to either encourage my foolishness or talk me out of it. Ok, to be honest it won't really matter what you say, but I'll share anyway. And someone might have some thoughts or experience to help me out since I'm not really sure how well this is gonna work out.
I don't care for TV and don't watch much of it so when the wife and I have down time and are just sitting around the house we like to play video games together. It has been that way since we got together over 2 decades ago. We started with a Sega Genesis and we have always had a console system in the house. It has progressed over the years and as of this moment we each have a PS3 (she in the living room and I in the office) and we game together regularly.
So today I jokingly told her we need to build a game room. In the spare bedroom we could put 2 TVs on opposite walls, place two recliners in the center of the room (one facing each TV) with a table between us for drinks/snacks, and be able to game together. We can talk, laugh and enjoy being together but technically not be able to see each others TV while playing (without turning around of course). I have contemplated this for years but never thought she would actually bite. Big surprise..SHE LIKES THE IDEA! LOL
And since we are ready to pull the trigger on a PS4 (I MUST have one for Fallout4) she thinks we should just buy 2 of them and go for it! Of course we will keep the PS3s also since we have a huge library of games (we have about 80 PS3 games now, and have probably owned and then sold as many others over the years). We also still have a PS2 and an extensive collection of PS2/PS1 games that we play with that machine.
So, has anyone either built or played in a game room like this? What are the drawbacks? Sound could be an issue I assume. I know there are times when the other persons sound could be a distraction to your own gaming. But I figure this could be cured with headphones. If you don't blast the volume in your headphones you should still be able to listen to your game and converse with each other in real time (not talking through headsets). And sometimes the sound might not be an issue at all. I just don't know so I'm looking for input there.
Other than the sound I can't really think of any drawbacks to playing like this. And for the games that we like to play split-screen we just spin one recliner around and play on the same console. Heck, she could even sit and Netflix on one side while I played a game on the other and we could still be spending time together while doing it.
So, tell me I'm a fool and this won't work out and you may save me a lot of money. Or tell me I'm a genius and encourage my spending spree.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22429404 - 10/24/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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In case anyone has trouble envisioning what I have in mind...
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22429412 - 10/24/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My husband and I did this back at our old house and I loved it. Generally, since we were often playing the same mmo, I kept my tv muted. I noticed when we both had sound on it threw me off. Other than that I loved being able to sit together. It made communication and coordination much easier.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22429783 - 10/24/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Game room gets the meme of approval, but you do need a HTPC on each side now....silly consoles.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: mndfreeze]
#22429974 - 10/24/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This project is going to cost enough without adding 2 gaming rigs. Besides, I wouldn't want to turn into one of those pretentious "PCs are better than consoles" gamers.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22430822 - 10/25/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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All that said, mods are fun and I feel sorry for people playing any bedestha game without the support of the mod community. Which really, really carries it forward.
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ToTheSummit said: I wouldn't want to turn into one of those pretentious "PCs are better than consoles" gamers. 
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Visionary Tools said: All that said, mods are fun and I feel sorry for people playing any bedestha game without the support of the mod community. Which really, really carries it forward.
Point proven. 
No hatin though. I know you guys love your PCs and mods. I'm just a Playstation guy to the core. My biggest problem with PC gaming is the interface. I have to sit back and chill with nothing more than a controller. I tried a controller for my PC to play some older games I wanted to play (Morrowind comes to mind) but it just seemed to lack the seamless feel of gaming on my console. When I play games on my PC I feel like I'm interacting with my PC. When I play on my console I forget there is even any computer hardware involved and I become immersed in the experience.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22432322 - 10/25/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by ToTheSummit (10/25/15 03:12 PM)
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22432347 - 10/25/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, one of the reasons he really like me is I pay for everything in full when I pre-order. None of this "put down $50 and pay the rest when you pick it up" bullshit. If I'm gonna buy it I just fucking buy it!
Edited by ToTheSummit (10/25/15 03:15 PM)
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit] 1
#22435123 - 10/26/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said: My biggest problem with PC gaming is the interface. I have to sit back and chill with nothing more than a controller.
Must be limiting thinking that PC gaming requires using keyboard and mouse..
I play GTA V and Borderlands 2 with my GF. She uses an xbox360 controller and I use a wii u pro controller. I play from my lounge chair in front of the TV, and she plays from her desk a few feet away, using her monitor. Both nice and reclined in our seats. Neither constantly reminded that there's windows going on in the background in any form. Not to say I don't enjoy a good alt+tabbing.
But yeah those damn PC gamers, claiming things are better while cramped at a desk with mouse and keyboard eh? I could see how it sounds pretentious but so do things like "I'm a playstation dude" to the right audience.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22435925 - 10/26/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said:
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ToTheSummit said: I wouldn't want to turn into one of those pretentious "PCs are better than consoles" gamers. 
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Visionary Tools said: All that said, mods are fun and I feel sorry for people playing any bedestha game without the support of the mod community. Which really, really carries it forward.
Point proven. 
No hatin though. I know you guys love your PCs and mods. I'm just a Playstation guy to the core. My biggest problem with PC gaming is the interface. I have to sit back and chill with nothing more than a controller. I tried a controller for my PC to play some older games I wanted to play (Morrowind comes to mind) but it just seemed to lack the seamless feel of gaming on my console. When I play games on my PC I feel like I'm interacting with my PC. When I play on my console I forget there is even any computer hardware involved and I become immersed in the experience.
Morrowind pre-dates most integrated controller schemes on PC. Skyrim was the first Elder Scrolls title with built in Xbox 360 controller support, and when the controller is running it handles exactly like the Xbox version.
Elder Scrolls is not the best example though, as the precision + amount of hotkeys with keyboard and mouse outweighs the benefit of analog walking speed provided by a controller. Speaking from experience of hundreds of hours using each option.
Something like Witcher 3, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Metal Gear Solid, or GTAV I play entirely with the Xbox controller. At that point, the only discernible difference in play becomes the fact that PC versions look better and offer more customization.
If you have not played anything on PC since Morrowind, it might be a bit more clear as to why you have the perception you do though. Your complaint regarding control interface was quite valid back at that point in time, though it is no longer the case.
It is nice that Fallout 4 will be bringing console gamers support for mods. My girlfriend will be playing on the PS4 while I play on the PC; however, for once, she will be able to download and use any mods I may decide to make myself.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: Tantrika]
#22436108 - 10/26/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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sounds like a cool idea
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: Inocuole]
#22436879 - 10/26/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I could see how it sounds pretentious but so do things like "I'm a playstation dude" to the right audience.
Nothing pretentious about stating your preferences. Everyone has their own personal likes/dislikes, and I don't care how a guy likes to game. The pretentiousness lies in the fact that PC gamers always declare the superiority of PC gaming over consoles. As if anyone who prefers consoles is less of a gamer or somehow not getting as rich of an experience out of their games.
As for controllers on PCs, maybe they are much better that they used to be (although I'd need support for a PS controller, those xBox controllers feel way clunky in my hands). But even PC gamers have argued time and again about how those who play with a controller on a PC will get schooled by those playing with a mouse in any kind of a shooter situation.
Anyway, I always laugh at how all topics in this forum seem to turn into a PC/PS/xbox debate. Many times its my own fault because I like to poke the sleeping dragon when it come to the topic. But like I said, I don't really care how you enjoy your games, just don't tell me I'm doing it wrong. Its all subjective.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22437204 - 10/26/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said: ... The pretentiousness lies in the fact that PC gamers always declare the superiority of PC gaming over consoles. As if anyone who prefers consoles is less of a gamer or somehow not getting as rich of an experience out of their games. ...
Having a preference for a certain style of controller is fine, but it doesn't mean that playing on PC actually results in being less immersed in gameplay, or somehow having a game provide a less rich experience due to perceptions about where one must sit.
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ToTheSummit said: ... But even PC gamers have argued time and again about how those who play with a controller on a PC will get schooled by those playing with a mouse in any kind of a shooter situation. ...
Rockstar specifically has GTAV:Online set up so that if you play with mouse free-aim you are never placed in gameplay rounds with players using controller aiming, because of the advantage that one type of control offers over the other. There is an option that people with controllers can use to be allowed into matches with mouse players, but that may be to their detriment compared to being matched with equal opponents. It is not so much an argument as a fair warning.
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ToTheSummit said: ...But like I said, I don't really care how you enjoy your games, just don't tell me I'm doing it wrong. Its all subjective.
It is fine to play and enjoy your games however you like. You have expressed misconceptions about current gen PC gaming though.
I used to prefer console gaming. These days it does not really offer me anything that provides something I would consider advantageous over PC gaming. PC gaming does offer me advantages over the same titles on console though. That is one of the benefits of Bethesda bringing mods to console. Pure console players will finally get to experience the content that PC players put out. It is a shame console gamers will not be able to produce content, but that kind of goes with the limitations of consoles at the system level.
Edited by Tantrika (10/26/15 10:39 PM)
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: Tantrika]
#22441029 - 10/27/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said: ... The pretentiousness lies in the fact that PC gamers always declare the superiority of PC gaming over consoles. As if anyone who prefers consoles is less of a gamer or somehow not getting as rich of an experience out of their games. ...
Having a preference for a certain style of controller is fine, but it doesn't mean that playing on PC actually results in being less immersed in gameplay, or somehow having a game provide a less rich experience due to perceptions about where one must sit.
I never said PC provided anything less. Its just not my preference. Its the PC crowd that always tells me I get less out of my console.
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ToTheSummit said: ... But even PC gamers have argued time and again about how those who play with a controller on a PC will get schooled by those playing with a mouse in any kind of a shooter situation. ...
Rockstar specifically has GTAV:Online set up so that if you play with mouse free-aim you are never placed in gameplay rounds with players using controller aiming, because of the advantage that one type of control offers over the other. There is an option that people with controllers can use to be allowed into matches with mouse players, but that may be to their detriment compared to being matched with equal opponents. It is not so much an argument as a fair warning.
I did not know that. Thats a good thing, and I'm sure it made the game a lot more fun for those like me who prefer to use a controller.
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ToTheSummit said: ...But like I said, I don't really care how you enjoy your games, just don't tell me I'm doing it wrong. Its all subjective.
It is fine to play and enjoy your games however you like. You have expressed misconceptions about current gen PC gaming though.
I used to prefer console gaming. These days it does not really offer me anything that provides something I would consider advantageous over PC gaming. PC gaming does offer me advantages over the same titles on console though. That is one of the benefits of Bethesda bringing mods to console. Pure console players will finally get to experience the content that PC players put out. It is a shame console gamers will not be able to produce content, but that kind of goes with the limitations of consoles at the system level. 
And here we are back to my original point. I don't ever tell a PC gamer hes doing it wrong, its just a preference thing. But you once again did what every PC gamer always does, proclaimed the superiority of the PC experience over the console experience. Once again my point is proven and pretentiousness rears its ugly head.
 Sorry, I just really like to fuck with you guys on this topic because PC gamers take it all way too seriously!
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22441370 - 10/27/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said:
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ToTheSummit said: ...But like I said, I don't really care how you enjoy your games, just don't tell me I'm doing it wrong. Its all subjective.
It is fine to play and enjoy your games however you like. You have expressed misconceptions about current gen PC gaming though.
I used to prefer console gaming. These days it does not really offer me anything that provides something I would consider advantageous over PC gaming. PC gaming does offer me advantages over the same titles on console though. That is one of the benefits of Bethesda bringing mods to console. Pure console players will finally get to experience the content that PC players put out. It is a shame console gamers will not be able to produce content, but that kind of goes with the limitations of consoles at the system level. 
And here we are back to my original point. I don't ever tell a PC gamer hes doing it wrong, its just a preference thing. But you once again did what every PC gamer always does, proclaimed the superiority of the PC experience over the console experience. Once again my point is proven and pretentiousness rears its ugly head.
 Sorry, I just really like to fuck with you guys on this topic because PC gamers take it all way too seriously!
My statement was that PC provides me with advantages, whereas console no longer does -- as such, I prefer to play on PC now. If you take that as meaning PCs are superior, that can be your individual interpretation, if you prefer.
No need to apologize though. I used to be on the console side of things, and remember hearing about how much I was missing out in terms of things like graphics and mods.  It was frustrating at the time, but after making the jump I discovered firsthand how accurate such statements were.
Personally feel glad for console gamers that Bethesda will be working to close the gap a little with Fallout 4. The modding community is rich and has provided me with a wealth of fun and interesting content. I would prefer if console gamers had the ability to share their own creative ideas by making mods themselves, but Bethesda has stated that the Construction Kit will be PC only. It is unfortunate, but that is the reality of the situation.
Edited by Tantrika (10/27/15 07:18 PM)
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: Tantrika]
#22441694 - 10/27/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its all good, I just like to fan the flames on the topic. Fallout 4 is going to be epic on any platform. And it will be even better in my new game room!
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: ToTheSummit]
#22441711 - 10/27/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToTheSummit said: Its all good, I just like to fan the flames on the topic. Fallout 4 is going to be epic on any platform. And it will be even better in my new game room!

I hope the project goes very well for you and you two have fun together.
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: Tantrika]
#22442484 - 10/27/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the best argument that can be made for PC is the sheer amount of PC exclusive titles that rock the fucking shazbah. It's quite extensive. Not to say consoles aren't great in ways too, exclusives and such.. I too just prefer a PC for its sheer flexibility. It can act as multiple consoles. I do still own a N64 and a Wii though and I play those from time to time. I love jamming out to an SNES and nothing can really match the original controllers, aftermarket controllers usually are inferior. Some games just play better on controllers... others on keyboard and mouse.. mostly what the game designers decide. I don't think there's anything wrong with consoles.. but Summit you should still consider adding an HTPC in the future for ultimate pimposity I mean shit you could use it to jam some tunes or play a movie or browse the web or play PC games, while still having your consoles. Ze best of all worlds
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Re: Building a gaming room. Yay or Nay? [Re: Shroomism]
#22447560 - 10/29/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Back when I bought my original 360 I used to love gaming on my console just because it was 'simple'. No fucking with drivers or dealing with tons of crazy video settings and options that seem to vary for each game, and depending on your hardware all need to be tweaked differently, etc.
That and back then it was a lot more work to make a PC work nicely in a living room setting, but not so anymore. Now with steam big picture mode, or setting windows up specifically for TV use the issues with not being able to see the screen or the text scaled properly are gone. Steam big picture mode basically makes your PC act like a console, for the 'easy of use simplicity' thing, and video cards now a days have pretty good auto setup for settings, like geforce experience automatically configured all my games to use the exact specific settings for optimal performance so I dont ever have to worry about game X can run flawless at 'ultra detail' and 'high shadows' but game Y has to be only on high detail with medium shadows. It calculates it all for me based on my hardware and video card. Stuff that console games dont have to deal with since every game is written specifically for that exact hardware and only that hardware, and tweaked as much as possible to make a game look good even with the far weaker hardware.
The cost though is a bitch, no question about that. It for sure costs a lot more to build a decent gaming PC vs a console, and you can't compare hardware directly across since the games are soooooo optimized for a console compared to PC that it does take a stronger PC/video card to have the same game 'play' the same.
Summit you should build that bitch out like you plan, but you should make sure you FUTURE proof it so you can add some home theater pc's or steam machines to it should you decide later. Or there are tons of game steaming devices now, which is what I use.
I have my nice gaming rig in my office like a normal PC, but I have an nvidia shield tv device that on top of doing all the normal tv/video/music/android set top box stuff, also streams games from my PC across my network to the shield, so I can sit on my couch and play fallout 4 with the nvidia controllers on my TV like I would a console, but my PC is doing all the work in the office. Its purdy neeto.
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