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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22433941 - 10/25/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ibotenic acid minus CO2 = Muscimol

Dry heat does it; no boiling.  About 190F is the temp that works best.

Soma Shamans are selling stuff; they hardly say anything on their site besides "buy".  I think I watched their video once and thought it was ok... it appears their book is about interpreting the Amanita as the Soma mentioned in the Rig Veda. 

In the Siberian tradition the mushrooms are dried.


I have had good times with fresh nibbles chewed well; but for larger doses fresh gets nauseating and sedating... really fogs everything up.



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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22433984 - 10/25/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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LSD has always offered the most pure focused trip for me which I enjoy. With mushrooms I feel like I'm on a constant sidetrack without having much control but on LSD it feels like I know exactly what I want to do. I haven't been to a show on mushies before but with LSD it is just so remarkable if I like the band. LSD is definitely my favorite.




LOl I know what you mean about the mushrooms and getting side tracked.

The reason I prefer mushrooms over LSD is because I just find them so much more mysterious and interesting, as well as giving me a better body high and shorter come down.




The body high definitely feels better to me on mushrooms than LSD. I can easily say that but I'm also in love with the body high I get from L too. And yeah for me to not feel exhausted the next day I need to get at least 10 hours of sleep but I usually do less because I do them where the next day has something awesome happening.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: PsychedelicGinge]
    #22434002 - 10/25/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I am more experienced with mushrooms. I prefer them over LSD. I believe the benefits of mushrooms more and the time lasting of them are for me. Haven't tried mescaline :tongue2:


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: flickedbic]
    #22434056 - 10/25/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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For single substances Amanita; I picked them in Northern California.

It is comforting and enjoyable in smaller doses.

But can swiftly propel you out of this realm, in the higher.


It keeps the profane from desecrating the palace; because only with respectful firing/baking does the sickening guardian Ibotenic acid transmute (decarboxylate) into the golden conveyance Muscimol - spiritual nitro-fuel when it's not bogged down by Ibotenic acid. 


5 :supershroom: :pinkshroom: :cubie: :supershroom: s recycled twice kicked my ass(stronger than any eighth of cubes); 'tho I loved it.


Online orders of it never really did much for me.


Regular shrooms are a close second, then LSD. 


Things may shift when I finally harvest my high dose of Achuma cactus.




Achuma is game changer. People seem so resistant to allowing this cactus a category of its own, instead just lumping it in with every other cactus that produces mescaline. It's got a different mix of active alkaloids that create a different experience. People say mescaline is dreamy, calm, and sedating. Achuma is none of these.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: WChef]
    #22434065 - 10/25/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I like the dreamy calm sedating effects though they are like the main deal for me.
Achuma doesn't sound to fun so far IMO


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: WChef]
    #22434067 - 10/25/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Achuma makes you simultaneously feel all good things of all kinds with nuclear intensity. In large enough amounts


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That makes the heart's eye cry
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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22434073 - 10/25/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

*all good feelings you've ever experienced simultaneously. Also the mind space is like falling fast deep into colorful mysterious lands of imagination.


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Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky
We all need more love, and mainly less hate
Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye
That makes the heart's eye cry
Locked deep away in the skies of our minds

It's all in the mind


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #22434078 - 10/25/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh it's san pedro?!
Haha nevermind that where I extract my mescaline from. I get a full spectrum extract that gets me going good.

Not much different than regular mescaline hcl though IMO

Edit:I don't trip very hard though on mescaline. I'll take about a half gram and just start to get visuals.
It mostly just gets me super high.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: impatientguy]
    #22434094 - 10/25/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Achuma is T. bridgesii. It's also considered the go-to cactus for people buying them just for the psychedelic effect, because its one of the few species that doesn't show a ridiculously random range of alkaloid content.

I don't fuck with San Pedro these days. It's all PC and all too unreliable.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: WChef]
    #22434241 - 10/25/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Google says achuma is san pedro.

This is what you find when you type in achuma in Google search:
"Echinopsis pachanoi — known as San Pedro cactus — is a fast-growing columnar cactus native to the Andes Mountains at 2,000–3,000 m in altitude. Wikipedia"

San pedro is very reliable IMO Idk where you got the idea that san pedro is unreliable as a good mescaline source.

Here's some mescaline made from San pedro myself


In my experience on the shroomery and within my group of friends san pedro is considered the go to cactus for people buying cacti for a trip.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: impatientguy]
    #22434307 - 10/26/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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impatientguy said:
Google says achuma is san pedro.

This is what you find when you type in achuma in Google search:
"Echinopsis pachanoi — known as San Pedro cactus — is a fast-growing columnar cactus native to the Andes Mountains at 2,000–3,000 m in altitude. Wikipedia"

San pedro is very reliable IMO Idk where you got the idea that san pedro is unreliable as a good mescaline source.

Here's some mescaline made from San pedro myself


In my experience on the shroomery and within my group of friends san pedro is considered the go to cactus for people buying cacti for a trip.




Achuma is bridgesii but granted the name is sometimes applied to other species. But I do believe the term Achuma most often refers to bridgesii. Wikipedia says
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Echinopsis lageniformis (syn. Trichocereus bridgesii), Bolivian torch cactus, is a fast-growing columnar cactus from the high deserts of Bolivia. Among the indigenous populations of Bolivia, it is sometimes called achuma or wachuma, although these names are also applied to related species such as Echinopsis pachanoi which are also used for their psychedelic effects




And San Pedro is notoriously unreliable. Some specimens are of comparable strength to a good specimen of either Torches, some specimens require feet upon feet for an active dose, and in my book that's damn near inactive. Also I just googled Achuma and it doesn't say anything about San Pedro, so you must have some weird search settings.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: WChef]
    #22435630 - 10/26/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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WChef said:
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impatientguy said:
Google says achuma is san pedro.

This is what you find when you type in achuma in Google search:
"Echinopsis pachanoi — known as San Pedro cactus — is a fast-growing columnar cactus native to the Andes Mountains at 2,000–3,000 m in altitude. Wikipedia"

San pedro is very reliable IMO Idk where you got the idea that san pedro is unreliable as a good mescaline source.

Here's some mescaline made from San pedro myself


In my experience on the shroomery and within my group of friends san pedro is considered the go to cactus for people buying cacti for a trip.




Achuma is bridgesii but granted the name is sometimes applied to other species. But I do believe the term Achuma most often refers to bridgesii. Wikipedia says
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Echinopsis lageniformis (syn. Trichocereus bridgesii), Bolivian torch cactus, is a fast-growing columnar cactus from the high deserts of Bolivia. Among the indigenous populations of Bolivia, it is sometimes called achuma or wachuma, although these names are also applied to related species such as Echinopsis pachanoi which are also used for their psychedelic effects




And San Pedro is notoriously unreliable. Some specimens are of comparable strength to a good specimen of either Torches, some specimens require feet upon feet for an active dose, and in my book that's damn near inactive. Also I just googled Achuma and it doesn't say anything about San Pedro, so you must have some weird search settings.






Lol San pedro isn't unreliable.

If you haven't been able to get good yeild it's because you suck at extractions.


San pedro rules and is cheap.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: impatientguy]
    #22435637 - 10/26/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And you can say its unreliable all you want but without sources it's just random shit your saying on the internet.


I've done dozens of cacti extractions. San pedro is the way to go unless you have access to peyote.




San pedro for the win.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: impatientguy]
    #22435699 - 10/26/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I like mushrooms myself. I enjoy growing them more than eating them at the mome nt,  as a hobby they are awesome.

I dont have enough DMT experiences to call it a favorite but I do love that it is short in duration , you dont have to commit most of a day to it. You are fully back to yourself in an hour


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: impatientguy]
    #22435859 - 10/26/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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impatientguy said:
And you can say its unreliable all you want but without sources it's just random shit your saying on the internet.


I've done dozens of cacti extractions. San pedro is the way to go unless you have access to peyote.




San pedro for the win.




https://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_article1.shtml
https://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_sanpedro_potency_faq.shtml

Here's your sources.
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It is important to note that both T. pachanoi and T. peruvianus vary significantly in mescaline content from one specimen to the next, based on factors such as soil condition, altitude, amount of sun and age. Additionally, there is great confusion taxonomically concerning T. peruvianus. Most experts agree it's likely there are many distinct species being circulated as T. peruvianus.



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As you can see, pachanoi varies by 20X. This is not likely to be experimental error. H&B using consistent methodology came up with figures that nicely bracket all other citations.




I shouldn't have to provide and break down sources for you. This is common knowledge, you're just too stubborn to accept it because you personally have lucked out with pachanoi a few times.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: WChef]
    #22435882 - 10/26/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lol that's what I thought.
just because erowid says so doesn't mean shit.


Take it from sombody who extracts on a regular basis and has lots of experience.
Your wrong.



I'm stubborn or lucked out because I get good yields?
no I think you're stubborn because you refuse to accept the fact that San Pedro is just fine for source of mescaline.
And cheap.

Your a fool.


And it's not lucky to get good yeilds about a dozen times. It's because san pedro rules.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: impatientguy]
    #22435899 - 10/26/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Those Erowid articles are referencing actual scientific studies. I don't care what some guy thinks against actual scientific evidence. Typical ignorant response. "Well I haven't experienced that personally, so science must be wrong!"


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: WChef]
    #22435908 - 10/26/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Old ass outdated scientific studies doesn't mean shit.

The best/cheapest source of mescaline  is San Pedro cactus.

Your wrong. And I'm guessing you haven't ever even done any extractions, and therefor you have no real personal experience.

Do some extractions and then come talk to me.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: impatientguy]
    #22435926 - 10/26/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alright bro :thumbup: clearly you're not going to listen to reason nor evidence. So keep doing you and spreading misinformation. And I've done my fair share of extractions and pachanot never fails to disappoint.


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic and why? [Re: sheptownboi]
    #22435980 - 10/26/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

1. LSD - Smooth, groovy vibes, insight, meditative.

2. DMT - mind blowing, conscious expansion

3. Mescaline - only did it once, it felt VERY good.

4. Shrooms - even though it's in last place, i still LOVE mushrooms. I like how they don't last as long and still provide the smoothest CEVS.


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