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I have a important question to ask.
    #22427564 - 10/24/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

On the subject of ante christ.


Where who and why came up with this concept???

Just because God sent HIS son on earth, people must think devil will send HIS son??

:dudewtf:


Seriously where it all begun? Where is ante christ going to come from? Who came up with this concept?

Saint john?? in book revelations? WTF did he see him??

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Theres more smoke and mirrows in this than in strip club locker room.

I think one day "Saint" john woke up on a wrong leg and prophesised a bunch of BS which he pulled out of his ass. And im not talking about book of revelations, im talking about shit he told jesus in private. No wonder johny boy was jesus' "dearest" apostle.


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
    #22427787 - 10/24/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

To me, the main things to remember about Christ are the simplest ones.

Sell all you own, give all your money to the poor.  Sleep in the forest.  Don't even worry about shoes, or a shirt to wear, he said.

As God takes care of all his daughters and sons- the birds, the elephant- also will take care of you.

As well as- what he asks of us is not a burden..  Set down your burden.  What he asks of us is much easier- he said.  So it's not a difficult task, it's much easier.

All of this is in Matthew; I do not think there's much need to go beyond this; simply understand the love, and beauty, and wisdom and peace of this.

He further said - those who do not do what I am saying now; when I come again, I will turn away from them.

All of these things are very simple -- an important one to remember is that, what he asks, is much easier.

I have known these things since birth almost. 

Peace, and love.
J.

Thank you for asking this, by the way.  I had considered briefly recently, on posting this, and you shared the good opportunity.

Love and peace,
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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427886 - 10/24/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think I got it.


People say “anti Christ” , anti as in “opposite”.

They are right in 1 thing, that he is indeed opposite. But opposite to what? Opposite to Jesus/Gods doctrine and work?

NO!

He is in a opposite position in 4th astral dimension where 4D lasers collide and create a hologram we call 3d reality – our physical home.

Even I haven’t grasped this theory fully yet, I see it in my mind but describing it is difficult.

Also another thing, you can call anti Christ – ANTE Christ. Ante as in Latin meaning NEXT to the Christ, it was said NEXT to the “anointed one”. To provide counseling, among other things…

And I ask you again, where notion of ante Christ comes from?

Anyone??

I will tell you, but first I want to hear it from you.


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
    #22427917 - 10/24/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Couldn't tell ya.  Am mostly interested in love and music, personally.  And exploring questions of the future, the present, etc -- 

maybe Hitler was the anti-Christ and he already came and went?

like i say, i have always been content with simply the basics of it.

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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427948 - 10/24/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Why people think that anti christ must be evil?


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
    #22427973 - 10/24/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ah, :laugh:

i don't believe in evil -- simply mistakes, simply more or less light, generally...  for instance -- i have had a fairly strong conviction from birth -- for as long as i can remember - that all is light;

there is no darkness, indeed.  yet that's from an ultimate level - and we still have the time and space world, etc.

so that is why we come here to walk peace.

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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant] * 1
    #22428113 - 10/24/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The prefix ante- means 'before, as in the Ante-Nicean Fathers ( v. the Post-Nicene Fathers who wrote their work after the Council of Nicea which determined what would be the official doctrines of Christianity).

Because the Book of Revelations is religious writing and is rife with visionary material, it can also be viewed as mythological (as for example, a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns, etc.). An oft-repeated theme in religious mythology are personifications of good vs. evil. In Egyptian religious myth, Osiris was killed and dismembered by his evil brother Set. But Osiris' wife Isis, with the help of the god Thoth, resurrected Osiris. In Hindu mythology, the evil Ravana kidnaps Sita, the wife of Ram. Ram is reunited with Sita (the archetypal male-female Godhead like Osiris-Isis) with the help of the monkey-god Hanuman, servant of God. In these two examples there are a trinity of deities (Osiris-Thoth-Isis, Ram-Hanuman-Sita). In Christian trinitarian thought there is Father-Son-Holy Spirit (Holy Mother in some Gnostic renderings of the Holy Spirit which is gender-neutral in Greek).

As in the Hegelian dialectic, the two gives rise to a third. Thesis -> Antithesis -> Synthesis. Unfortunately, Christian theology is stuck in a good v. evil dogma. Jungian analyst Erich Neumann  put forth another possibility which he expressed in his book Depth Psychology and a New Ethic. http://www.amazon.com/Depth-Psychology-Ethic-Erich-Neumann/dp/0877735719/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445724799&sr=8-1&keywords=depth+psychology+and+a+new+ethic%2C+neumann . We must learn to give the Devil his due to be fully integrated human beings.

To all those fucktard bigots who erroneously think that they're Christians while espousing hatred toward Jews for crucifying Jesus, I would like to point out that ALL the players around Jesus were Jews, and if he had not (according to the Christian mythos) been caused to die in accordance with the prophetic scriptures, there would be no resurrection of the dead! The acceptance of the role of Judas, and the end of vilifying all Jews, might be facilitated by reading The Gospel of Judas. http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Judas-Second-Rodolphe-Kasser/dp/142620048X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445725080&sr=8-1&keywords=gospel+of+judas not to mention learning to understand the mythic basis of the gospel stories as being directly derived from the Egyptian Coffin and Pyramid Texts, and not historical, eye-witness accounts of actual historical events. Persecution of Jews, Pagans, heretics, or Muslims by so-called Christians illustrate a tragically poignant doublethink. There was never anything Christian (if Christian means Christ-like) in persecution, pogroms, crusades, inquisitions, torture, and genocide. Vilification or demonization of a group is historical evidence of the profound failure to integrate the opposites and recognize the 'Shadow' in oneself, but instead to project those Shadow elements outside of oneself onto an 'other' group.


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22428254 - 10/24/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

'We must learn to give the Devil his due to be fully integrated human beings.'

erm, ew.




the main thing to do with Christ is to follow his teachings-- selling all, give to the poor, etc.


otherwise you're not christian, or a disciple of Christ.  simple as that.


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
    #22428572 - 10/24/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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desant said:
On the subject of ante christ.


Where who and why came up with this concept???

Just because God sent HIS son on earth, people must think devil will send HIS son??

:dudewtf:


Seriously where it all begun? Where is ante christ going to come from? Who came up with this concept?

Saint john?? in book revelations? WTF did he see him??

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Theres more smoke and mirrows in this than in strip club locker room.

I think one day "Saint" john woke up on a wrong leg and prophesised a bunch of BS which he pulled out of his ass. And im not talking about book of revelations, im talking about shit he told jesus in private. No wonder johny boy was jesus' "dearest" apostle.




1 John 2:18  Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.


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    #22428579 - 10/24/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.


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    #22428842 - 10/24/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ya; the main thing is to love.. to love ourselves, others, and the Divine.. Kierkegaard wrote one beautiful jewel;

to love oneself truly is to love God; to love others truly is to help them love God..

but it can't be done by force... that's why God gives us the ability to choose- otherwise it's not true love.

and i know how sort of, cliche all this sounds... but it's very true.  love cannot be forced.


neither can peace; naturally- so that's the basic thing of the whole human experience.


and - the beautiful thing about it is -- it's really not difficult; it's much easier, to set down the burden --

and the other thing is-- there really is no need for materialism.... like - where did the fear come from?

why is there any fear?  there should be none.  no fear.  help spread that.


God protects us-- 'yea, tho i walk through the valley, etc... i will fear no evil, for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.'


and it can be re-said, in more modern language--- when one is safe, one is safe... simply, there is no reason to fear.


one other thing he said, is good - don't pull up the weeds.. like, don't try to weed the garden; he says, he will do that. etc.


okay -

love and peace,
j.


do not fear !!! that also means, don't let anyone try to scare you, etc... okay - peace everybody...

thank you for being there.  peace.



but it's not just 'he, he, he,' god is she as much as he -- in fact, more so, as the mother is more fundamental to life.


love, peace.

j.


and stop sending guns -- anywhere.  and stop making them, please.  and stop having fear.



okay.



Peace and light,
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    #22430261 - 10/25/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, but denial is not an option. It results in projection. My teachers at seminary included depth psychologists who understood that it has been the bain of humanity not to recognize and assimilate opposing aspects of consciousness (the Shadow) which has caused humanity its problems since the beginning. You and I both embody Shadow elements, and our job IS to integrate them or else we project them onto others AS IF they don't belong to us but are 'attacks' by some Devil. Uh-uh. Take responsibility, accept and assimilate them. God is not just sweetness and Light: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things" - Isaiah 45:7.


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
    #22430499 - 10/25/15 04:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: antichristos
Phonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)
Short Definition: antichrist
Definition: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.
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500 antíxristos (from 473 /antí, "opposite to, in place of" and 5547 /Xristós, "Christ") – properly, opposite to Christ; someone acting in place of (against) Christ; "Antichrist."




It is typical this concept would come out of a belief system-Christianity- which is based on ultimate dualism. Ultimate dualism means that there is the belief that at some time 'evil' will be eradicated, and there will be only goodness. THAT is the carrot on the stick/the 'promise' and what has fueled so much evil in its his-story!

But look deeper into the myth of BOTH Christianity and is oppo-site Satanism. Both have their god's origins of having come from above. This is extremely important to understand and will help us understand a more general understanding of things.

John Allegro reveals in his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross that the ancients believed mushrooms miraculously appeared after thunderstorms, and thus they --the initiated--saw the psychedelic mushrooms as the 'descending' Christ/God taking on physical form, 'The Word'. And then when eating it they felt they and 'he' were one. So the importat point here is the belief that 'spirit' descends into 'matter'.

Now its supposed antagonistic belief system-Satanism/Luciferianism which deifies Satan/Lucifer also see their saviours descend also ('fallen angels') to help liberate the 'evil God's' victims, humans--but especially more so the initiated.

You will also find out that the ancient mystical school cult Orphism also believed that humans had sparks of the divine trapped in the physical body, and had a saying 'soma sema' meaning 'the body a tomb, and they believed that their purification rituals would eventually release the trapped spirits nature and the body trapped and they could ascend to their proper spiritual home above.

This belief was also shared throughout ancient Greek philosophy

So it is easy to see how the two sides share the very same worldview except from an inverse perspective and yet shared the top to bottom to top pattern

And we are talking about two patriarchal above-to below belief systems which are secretly talking about how they view and use consciousness-changing psychedelic mushrooms. One mindset sees the shrooms as their god whi they become one with and prophesy, and the other mindset see the shrooms as their liberator who help them (the ones who have the secret gnosis) become gods (apotheosis). These are the 'anti christ' to the other mindset

Goddess mythos is wholly different understanding from the patriarchal worldviews above and sees and feels nature and the body and our natural natures as sacred, as are the changing cycles or spirals of nature and reality


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    #22430647 - 10/25/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

zzripz!!  whee, you are back!~!

yayayayyayayay-ooooooooooooooo :sun:


i will be very happy reading your posts - good friend.


love to you.

so much - so very much love to you.


namaste; peace and love,
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    #22430648 - 10/25/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

not very much point in arguing with those lost in darkness...


the problem with argument is - you tend to ... well, you know. 


peace wins out- because peace is POWER.  those who praise hitler---erm. above.  do not have power.


infinite grace, peace, and light.


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    #22431797 - 10/25/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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zzripz!!  whee, you are back!~!

yayayayyayayay-ooooooooooooooo :sun:


i will be very happy reading your posts - good friend.


love to you.

so much - so very much love to you.


namaste; peace and love,
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(big smile on me face) So glad to be missed and welcomed back, thank you :smile:

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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: zzripz]
    #22452126 - 10/30/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Jesus was an iconoclast.

the "antichrist" would merely be the erection of structures and false ideals/truths, as an elevation over God.


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    #22452576 - 10/30/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There is only one entity called ante Christ.

Ante Christ came into this universe long time ago, even before the first array of angels and fallen angels incarnated. He is the “ultimate divine self” like someone called him here on S&M.

He then incarnated on beloved Pleiades.

First notion of ante Christ on earth came thro ………….  In Lemuria! Something like 50,000 years ago

When the only human occupants of the planet were hermaphrodites, both male and female in one body.

All the alien bosses, all important spiritual beings gathered together, a period in their lives they called “college time”.

And everyone realized this was a special planet, there were all kinds of toys at disposal… anunaki light… leviathan… telluric elemental spirits, Gaia… all kinds of beings some evil some not.

Here is what alien boss Ashtar was singing about Lemuria to a human called Ky who was in subtle connection to anti Christ:



Cant believe you’ve turned into a super star
While I only dream about these super stars
I remember u and i
Toegther college time
The dreams of aour life
U were dreaming of a coming star ...


And so it all begun…….

Ky KNEW anti Christ was coming, but not in form of evil anti jesus person (which stupid saint john prophesised) but rather a galactic VIP destined to guide dreams of all the elite in the universe….  HOW??? I’ll tell you how. In 30,000 BC was Atlantis. They created The Illuminati and then imploded.

Anunnaki installed a shield around our solar system so no aliens might sneak in. And earth was turned into a sealed multi dimensional laboratory.

Soon time will come when ante Christ will “activate” the illuminati and release stellar karmic protocols into the world. And new golden era will begin.

:awebig:


AT least i hope so.... and that is what i gathered during 12 years of spiritual study and occult practise :gethigh:


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
    #22452599 - 10/30/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

BTW, on the subject of Jessus

He did quite a few things.

The biggest one was - transmutation of human violence.

While fasting 40 days he was munching soft bread and devising plans with satan - lets call him "Stan" :crazy2:

His whole sacrifice on the cross was a magical act - which created annihilation of consequnces for doing evil acts... or so i been tought by the Cherubim.

While on the cross some say he shouted father why have you forrgoten me... while some who know deeper say he mouthed off quite a bit more than that...

But anyway, Jesus and ante christ were ment to work together. Jesus - transmuted violence and opened the doors while ante christ guides everything else


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
    #22452660 - 10/30/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Heres an example Cherubim showed me:

2 figures: a fallen angel and a girl from my university who joined stan.


While wondering around in a hippy town i bought a bottle of fruit concentrate to add to liquid and make juice just in right proportion.

I also bought a bottle of soy milk.

Now. The bottle of fruite concentrate represents - u guessed it - a fallen angel. From a neutral point of view i completely understand her (shes a woman fallen angel) i completly understand her MOTIVES - she wanted to have near infinit treasures and pleasures and she accumulated all her treasures and stored them in non physical energy form.

Now bottle of soy milk Cherubim tell me is that girl who joined Stan. She wanted power and riches to but this is Earth and everything works differently - she added juice concentrate into the nozzle of milk bottle until it over run and created a big mess on the table. You see where im going with this? Its a VERY difficult ideology to understand and describe

By carelessly mixing to liquds together she was motivated to expereince same pleasures fallen angel did, but i repeat this is Earth and she fucked it up and turned into a messy pig. That applies to ALL humans who decided to play with demons/fallen angels straight out of the box.

This is where ante christ comes in, he supervises and ENRICHES the whole process thro his own set of magical/multidimensional skills - No mess. By combining 2 liquids just in right amount. Of course you must understand fruite concetrate and soy milks are metaphors.


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Re: I have a important question to ask. [Re: desant]
    #22458336 - 10/31/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think the concept of the Anti-Christ is a scapegoat...and is a deflection from otherwise moral people..to find blame for the wrongs they see in the world..and the wrongs that have happened to them..and the wrongs they have done to people or beings in general!


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