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Invisiblehobowizard
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Introduction to psilocybin
    #22427505 - 10/24/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My first trip, perfect introduction:

Did lemon tek 27g fresh cubensis, but before drinking all of the magic, I gently ate one of the caps to taste it. To my surprise it was delicious. Then I swallowed the acidic mixture really fast. That wasn't delicious at all. I was a bit anxious, maybe even scared, heard stuff how people have bad trips etc. I sat to watch spongebob, to calm myself down (hour ago smoked some weed too, ate some ginger, drank some tea).

After some time it hit me. Weird stuff started to happen, no big hallucinations, but colours were changing, perception itself was different. Shadows came to live. I looked at this huge abstract drawing of mine - it was alive and moving. Started tripping, I mean literally tripping, didn't really felt down, but I was tripping balls. I finally understood what that really means. Then I started thinking. All of my thoughts were finished by understanding. I understood everything what I wanted. And the main things I understood were: everything is very simple, live by simple rules: don't over think it, live by the moment you are in. There was a lot more, but I don't quite remember it exactly, though I did write something, but I deleted it afterward. I wonder what I wrote, because I wasn't thinking nor looking at what I was writing, the words were written without me knowing what they were or what about. I deleted that because of the rules (kinda regret it now).

I also understood that tripping is so much fun. I was so happy and optimistic, never felt such happiness before. I imagined that I felt the same way as women feel after delivering a child. I couldn't understand how can people have bad trips, it looked impossible for me to feel bad. After few hours my tripping changed. I was feeling good, my pupils were still huge, but I was thinking soberly, still being pure me, could've walked straight line with no big deal, the trip was near the end. I tripped for 4-5 hours since my stomach wasn't empty (less than half full, though), I was also very exhausted since I had really hard week, didn't sleep much either. All I want now is to trip again, but only with an empty stomach, hero dose.



ALL OF THIS IS FANTASY/HERESY, DON'T TAKE IT LITERALLY  :chiefwiggum:


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: hobowizard]
    #22427892 - 10/24/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Congrats with such a good first time, .. but:

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hobowizard said:
I couldn't understand how can people have bad trips, it looked impossible for me to feel bad.

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All I want now is to trip again, but only with an empty stomach, hero dose.






... be careful. This attitude can lead to some scary trips. Just because you felt safe doesn't mean you were. It is very easy to take just that little bit too much and be sucked into a black hole of fear and despair. Mushrooms in large doses have absolutely no mercy.

My advice, up the dose in very small steps. Take two weeks time out between trips. That way you are guaranteed to have fun.

Heroic doses are only for the very experienced, or the very careless. More is not better. The middle way --just right-- that is the best.

Love, Hanz.


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OfflineTimBuckSue
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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: Hanz]
    #22428347 - 10/24/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have always been curious about the lemon tek, thanks for the info man. :thumbup:


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: TimBuckSue]
    #22428517 - 10/24/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well said Hanz :thumbup: you don't want to have a terrible trip that shapes how you view psychedelics just because you got too confident.


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: sheptownboi]
    #22430270 - 10/25/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't over think it, people. I'm a good person, and good people don't have bad trips. :yesnod:

Everyone dies eventually and everyone trips while dying, after dying, leaving body for maximum seven weeks to find another body to reincarnate (or to leave world forever): if your karma is light, you'll have a wonderful last trip before rebirth and if you were a bad person, world of pain is coming your way: HELL!!!!

All based on Tibetan buddhism, my internal understanding of all existence: Bardo Thodol.

Anyway, I'll be careful, but I can control myself very well so I have no worries, plus, I meditate every single day.

I'll probably trip in a month or so (or minimum two weeks). Hope to get spiritual trip. But I guess you're all right, maybe I shouldn't take 5g for my second trip, the logical thing would to do increase the dose slowly, but I want to see, and while I was tripping I understood that I want and need the heroic dose, so I'll probably do 5g anyways.


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: hobowizard]
    #22430278 - 10/25/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Report back please


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1) All living things are highly organized and contain many complex chemical substances.
2) All living things contain one or more cells
3) All living things use energy.
4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size.
5) Living things grow.
6) Living things respond to changes in the environment.
7) Living things can reproduce.
8) Living things eventually die.


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #22430286 - 10/25/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sure :mushroom2:


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: hobowizard]
    #22430583 - 10/25/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

hobowizard said:
But I guess you're all right, maybe I shouldn't take 5g for my second trip, the logical thing would to do increase the dose slowly, but I want to see, and while I was tripping I understood that I want and need the heroic dose, so I'll probably do 5g anyways.




i wouldnt consider 5g a heroic dose. Im not extremely experienced but I thought heroic was at least like a quarter ounce or more? Someone please correct me if wrong.


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: Designer Drugs]
    #22430594 - 10/25/15 05:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cubensis heroic dose is 5 grams dried.


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: hobowizard]
    #22430796 - 10/25/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on how strong your cubes are tho. Last trip I took 5 dried grams and the trip was not that different from my 3.5 gram trips. Genetics is everything, and if you grow from MS, you can expect each mushroom to have varying levels of actives.

Once you get into cloning and isolating your cultures, then you can dose more accurately, as genetics will be lessened a great deal. Each mushroom should have around the same potency after a couple of grows.

I'm not sure if McKenna took mushrooms from clones, MS, or wild picked. So it's hard to say exactly what a "heroic dose" would be. And everybody has different levels of tolerance due to unique brain chemistries, so that also plays a major role in how hard you'll trip.


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22430869 - 10/25/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Psilosoulful said:
Depends on how strong your cubes are tho. Last trip I took 5 dried grams and the trip was not that different from my 3.5 gram trips. Genetics is everything, and if you grow from MS, you can expect each mushroom to have varying levels of actives.

Once you get into cloning and isolating your cultures, then you can dose more accurately, as genetics will be lessened a great deal. Each mushroom should have around the same potency after a couple of grows.

I'm not sure if McKenna took mushrooms from clones, MS, or wild picked. So it's hard to say exactly what a "heroic dose" would be. And everybody has different levels of tolerance due to unique brain chemistries, so that also plays a major role in how hard you'll trip.




Word. Though I also heard that the smaller shrooms are, the stronger they be, like for instance aborts have the biggest potency of psilocybin, mutants fewest. Is that true?


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: hobowizard]
    #22430912 - 10/25/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

hobowizard said:
Don't over think it, people. I'm a good person, and good people don't have bad trips. :yesnod:



I was thinking just like you at some point when i started experimenting high dose alone :lol: did one good dosage mistake with some MS PE that turned out to be super potent and poof shitted my pants :shitmypants:

im not saying dont do it, just sayin the rabbit hole is deep and is a pretty weird place.this was your first trip, dont let it suprise you too much next time brother :wink::peak:

Quote:

Word. Though I also heard that the smaller shrooms are, the stronger they be, like for instance aborts have the biggest potency of psilocybin, mutants fewest. Is that true?




size of the mushroom dosent matter (aborts tho do tend to be more potent). what really depends is the maturity of the mushroom . if it was picked before the veil breaks.

when the veil breaks the mushroom slows the production of psylocibin to concentrate his energy on making spores. thus makes the mushroom less potent gram for gram


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: hobowizard]
    #22431935 - 10/25/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

hobowizard said:
Don't over think it, people. I'm a good person, and good people don't have bad trips. :yesnod:





I hope you are joking? It's like: good people don't have car accidents. Therefore, I can drive recklessly.

Look, I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just trying to help you make responsible choices. That's what the forum is for, right?


Quote:

hobowizard said:
Everyone dies eventually and everyone trips while dying, after dying, leaving body for maximum seven weeks to find another body to reincarnate (or to leave world forever): if your karma is light, you'll have a wonderful last trip before rebirth and if you were a bad person, world of pain is coming your way: HELL!!!!

All based on Tibetan buddhism, my internal understanding of all existence: Bardo Thodol.






This is of course very nice. And I respect your religion. But it has little to do with so called heroic dose mushrooms trips.


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hobowizard said:
Anyway, I'll be careful, but I can control myself very well so I have no worries, plus, I meditate every single day.





Sorry, but this is overconfidence in its purest form. It doesn't matter if it's 5, 7, or 14 grams, at some point you are going to lose all control. Fear will hit you like a freight train. Damn, even McKenna had this. Psilocybin induced ego-loss is hard to imagine when you've never been close.

I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't trip hard. I'm just saying don't take your control for granted. Mushrooms are no video game. Other people have gone before you and have had the living daylights scared out of them. Do you think they had any less control than you? Think again, friend.

Most importantly, don't go so far that you'll call in the paramedics or end up in some emergency room. You'll give psychedelics a bad name.

Patience is the sign of a mature mind. Take small steps. And have fun. You'll be great!

Love, Hanz.


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: Hanz]
    #22432368 - 10/25/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sure man, I'll be careful, I'm  always careful no matter what, I just want to embrace this whole tripping thing further, because I feel this incredible urge doing so. I will prepare myself for the heroic dose, but I believe it's not necessary to prepare for tripping, for any kind of dose - let the mushroom show you the path whatever it is. Free yourself. Free your mind and your ass will follow. :yesnod:

Your concern is noted and considered. I'm not some crazy motherfucker who just wants to get fucked up, the thing is that I seek for ego death.

Actually feeling confident about tripping is very important IMO, even if it's illusion.

EDIT: oh, and about the "good person" thing: I was referring to karma which I believe has a huge roll on tripping.

Quote:

did one good dosage mistake with some MS PE that turned out to be super potent and poof shitted my pants




shit happens :lol:


Edited by hobowizard (10/25/15 03:24 PM)


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Re: Introduction to psilocybin [Re: Hanz]
    #22432518 - 10/25/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hanz said:
... be careful. This attitude can lead to some scary trips. Just because you felt safe doesn't mean you were. It is very easy to take just that little bit too much and be sucked into a black hole of fear and despair. Mushrooms in large doses have absolutely no mercy.
Love, Hanz.




:whathesaid:

Listen to this man, he knows what he's talking about.

If you don't believe him, you have no end of choices to read here on this board regarding the terror and legal woes brought on by a callous attitude towards dosage.  I suggest you avail yourself of this information and imagine going through these psychic and legal hells yourself.  If it was all wonderful with no downside EVERYONE would be tripping on mushrooms with impunity.  Sadly that's NOT the reality of it at all.  Witness these two posts on essentially the same dosages:

(Bad):  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22351660

(Good):  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22430612

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Edited by Nature Boy (10/25/15 04:20 PM)


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