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Is consuming nicotine a sin?
#22426077 - 10/24/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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(i think i made a thread about this a while ago but it got lost in translation and i cant find it)
Mark Twain said: if smoking not allowed in heaven - im not coming.
Great philosophers smoke: Robert Wilson used to smoke a pipe.
Great spiritualists also smoke - A. Crowley and Robert Bruce.
Great anarchists smoke - Alex Jones i been told smokes like a chimney after doing a show.
Even Great Shroomists smoke e cigs! Shroomism!
BUT, certain spiritual entities keep telling me not to smoke tobacco for it slows down my spiritual progress...
What gives??
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426090 - 10/24/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It definitely slows mine down. It negates my whole existence. Live your own style, don't worry about others.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426102 - 10/24/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting, nicotine is definitely a nootropic (if you want to make that classification) I recall reading a study on the effects of nicotine on learning and memory, to which it had a substantial positive effect; So no surprise a lot of smart/notable people are smokers, aside from it being addictive as hell, so that could always be interpreted as coincidence.
Perhaps you could elaborate on the spiritual entities warning you that it is slowing your spiritual progress. How many times and how often have you seen them? Under the influence of what substance do they come to you? Is there anything specific they are communicating to you? Is the message the same or does it vary?
I myself am no smoker, however I've dated a couple girls who smoke, I'll usually take a few drags off their cigs. The buzz is nice but the habit (thankfully) never stuck.
just think this is interesting, eager to hear more.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Jufin]
#22426109 - 10/24/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here i am not talking about normal cigarettes
I am talking specifically about E - Cigs, whci are virtually harmless to your health, clean...
Also pipe tobacco - which seems alright.
Also CIGARS which are ace and if anyone tells me i cant smoke cigars im gonna kick their ass!!
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426111 - 10/24/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So no surprise a lot of smart/notable people are smokers
I forgot! Einstein also smoked as far as i am aware!!
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426117 - 10/24/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello Xiao_Yi and welcome to the forums, thanks for stopping by.
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Perhaps you could elaborate on the spiritual entities warning you that it is slowing your spiritual progress.
All that happens is if i smoke i receive less support from unseen positive spiritual beings. It seems as if they want me to go on a "path" to redemption and karmic absolution and not smoke or drink... it is all very complicated. Quite frankly i just cant wrap my mind around all this
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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Thanks for the welcome, I'm not completely new, just newish. I had another account with the same name, but I forgot the password and can't retrieve it as I can't access google here in China.
Einstein smoked like a chimney, I believe he once fell into a river and swam back to shore managing to keep his pipe lit the whole time.
I may be confusing that anectdote with another famous person from that time. Either way, legend.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426146 - 10/24/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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desant said: It seems as if they want me to go on a "path" to redemption and karmic absolution and not smoke or drink... it is all very complicated. Quite frankly i just cant wrap my mind around all this 
Wow sounds pretty intense. I myself have always viewed alcohol as a "lesser drug" which would just mean that it doesn't offer any benefits aside from making you feel good. I myself don't drink too often, but I'll have a beer or two here and there.
I guess it boils down to whether or not you're up to the task of quitting, and attempting to go on this "path".
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426150 - 10/24/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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desant said: Here i am not talking about normal cigarettes
I am talking specifically about E - Cigs, whci are virtually harmless to your health, clean...
Also pipe tobacco - which seems alright.
Also CIGARS which are ace and if anyone tells me i cant smoke cigars im gonna kick their ass!!
It's up to you what you do. Personally it's no good for my mental state.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Xiao_Yi]
#22426152 - 10/24/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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And now, spirits do not give me even a choice!!! 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22192880/fpart/1
They fuck with my e cig some how, completely fuck it up! 
Now i cant even smoke wha ever the answer to the question.
God form that fucks it up says " i will understand it later " but i also been eves dropping between this god form and some powerful witches and god form told witches its my "punishment"
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant] 1
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You should know by now, that its only you mind that made this issue complicated. IF your guides dont want you to smoke, its for obvious reasons. You dont need anything physical to progress. But you can convince yourself that (in this case) smoking will help you in some way. Dig deeper and seek why would you think so? I think its all just really easy.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: ivander]
#22426193 - 10/24/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smoking is a form of gradual suicide.
Its OK to smoke because you are an immortal soul.
You should only smoke if you wish to draw this life to a gradual closde though, cause thats what you'd be doing.
EDIT: by smoking I mean the commercialized product known as the cigarette which is smoked out of habit, not natural organic sun cured tobacco smoked rarely for magicoreligious reasons.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
#22426223 - 10/24/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very wise, ivander. Tobacco, like everything, has its place and its season. When done in a medicine ceremony, it is sacred, peaceful. Thank you for your presence and wisdom.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
#22426231 - 10/24/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Asante said: Smoking is a form of gradual suicide.
Its OK to smoke because you are an immortal soul.
You should only smoke if you wish to draw this life to a gradual closde though, cause thats what you'd be doing.
Not quite...
Are you talking about normal cigarettes the "coffin nails" or "cancer sticks" ?? If so i agree.
But like i t was mentiond and written all over e vape forum e cigs are not harmful really
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426237 - 10/24/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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True. It's up to you, beloved friend.
Entirely your choice. If you do smoke, there are some brands which are better than others-
Regardless of what brand you smoke, you have my love, friendship, healthfulness, and support- always.
You're one of my best friends, and nothing could ever change that... For spiritual protection, you've got my support, always.
Peace and Love,
Jacob
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
#22426282 - 10/24/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Asante said: Smoking is a form of gradual suicide.
Its OK to smoke because you are an immortal soul.
You should only smoke if you wish to draw this life to a gradual closde though, cause thats what you'd be doing.
I agree with you, Asante.
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The mind makes it so.
Peace.
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Quote:
DividedQuantum said:
Quote:
Asante said: Smoking is a form of gradual suicide.
Its OK to smoke because you are an immortal soul.
You should only smoke if you wish to draw this life to a gradual closde though, cause thats what you'd be doing.
I agree with you, Asante.
No we are not talking about old normal cigarettes - physical harm
no
We are talking about new safe for physical health e cigs - spiritual harm??
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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Also lets distinguish between pipe tobacco, cigars and e cigs.
Pipes and cigars smoke goes into mouth and gets absorbed that way ( a lil bit goes dwon to stomach with salaiva too?) So smoke gets absorbed into blood stream thro the mouth.
E Cigs - catch smoke into your LUNGS and then into blood stream.
So eventually all 3 get into blood stream. On those basis i can canclude that if smoking cigars OK (im sure its OK) then smoking E cigs is OK too
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426794 - 10/24/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, there is no spiritual harm from partaking of tobacco. The only related point is that a certain amount of suffering goes into everything we partake of; so to understand this, is to enable entrance into the flowing river of love; of reality- when one enters that flow, it is new and unique, different each time, yet also the same... what it means, basically, is that we give honor, and respect, to all the living beings which are affected by us, and we do our best, give our hearts to transform the world in a healthful and positive way... in a beautiful manner, by opening our hearts to others, and sharing love and friendship- and not ever breaking the sanctity of those, by trying to control others-- by sharing love whenever possible- this makes life beautiful.
The way to enter the sacred is to transform ourselves; and do the best we can at each step. We share one karma, with the whole world; as all beings are inter-connected; there's not separate karma for you and me, we have the same karma. This is always true. We can understand this by understanding non-duality- because you and I are the same, we have the same karma. A Bodhisattva sees the world as Herself, and in this way, knows that all the others deserve to be happy and safe, and well-- the same as She deserves to be happy, safe and well.
Also - there is certainly great value in reducing our consumption of other, sacred living beings. This is very important. One aspect is to devote ourselves to the transformation of the h'art mind, into a more beautiful form- each day; more love, more light, more peace, more grace, more wisdom- so we consecrate ourselves and life by our devotion to love, to health, to the happiness of all living beings- as all living beings are sacred, loved, beloved, and beautiful-- part one; part two is reducing our consumption.
It is a mistake to enact part one while not doing part two-- for instance, every genuine teacher shares the same, general path-- to vocally assure people, one follows a teacher-- while in truth, breaking each of their guidelines; this would be a great mistake as well -- and such things can be... well, it all fades--- eventually, into love and light...
So that's what the main thing is.
Anyway- so, reducing our consumption is very good; yet it should be done -- not artificially, but in a good way-- as much as we are able to, this is useful and good-- and, the right times, the right ways...
The perfect timing- when to do these things; that is unique for each person. Yet it is good to know. Perfect timing- and so forth-- many other things-- are entirely possible.
Anyway, no, there is certainly no spiritual harm in partaking of tobacco.
Thank you for writing and being here- beloved friend; desant, Your light is beautiful- always.
You uplift and enrich- always. You are, in a word, wonderful. Thankfully yours;
With Love, Jacob.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant] 2
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Even the evil Hitler forbade smoking in his Führer-bunker. Hitler is known to have read books on Aryan occultism (i.e., Yoga) and he did not want his Subtle Body coarsened by the influences in tobacco smoke. Aside from the Volkswagen, this is the only other endorsement of good that I can site regarding Hitler. Tobacco is a deadly poison on top of which it is highly addictive to most of its users. This combination of facts which can be reduced to disease-death-slavery should answer your question. It is completely obvious to me. I probably did not appreciate being filled with toxins and Carbon monoxide while in-utero to a cigarette-smoking mother. I've hated the smell of tobacco ever since.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22426823 - 10/24/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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personally i like to avoid addictions and dependencies as these limit one's freedom
in that sense alone, tobacco (or nicotine in e-cigs) is something I would personally avoid
but of course it's up to you and what you want your life to be
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
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Ergh. Ugh. No. Lol. All good. This coming from who publicly endorses a hard drug-- as safe more than holy cannabis?
heh.
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The word you are looking for is 'cite.'
Anyway, Namaste,
Peace and love.
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who endorses a hard drug?
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
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Mtg -
;p
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oh thought you were replying to me and i was confused
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
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nope- i haven't ever seen you endorse the drug that killed my grandparents, and has all but slain my two living parents.
Peace and love, J.
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and kills so many every day.... while somehow thinking sacred herb, healing planet, is less beautiful, healthful- somehow less than okay.
infinite love, peace. J.
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rofl rofl rofl rofl 
rofl rofl rofl rofl
sorry for the rofl's
sorry to be negative about it-
i'm just not happy about that right now.
i'm happy - just not happy about that. how much VAST PAIN AND DARKNESS comes from that-- and
yeah.
lol.
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The Nazis invented the modern anti smoking campaign.

The ad reads: "Its not like he eats them - they eat him! - the chainsmoker"
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
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Thank you.
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You're welcome!
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
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Best friend.


Peace and love, J.
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Anyway, no, there is certainly no spiritual harm in partaking of tobacco.
By that once in a lifetime, u also include e cigs?
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The only related point is that a certain amount of suffering goes into everything we partake of
That is very intelligent ideology.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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Yes - nice timing, by the way. As nearly as I can tell, the very same second as my previous post.
All my love, kindness, and friendship;
Yours always, Jake
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MarkostheGnostic said: Tobacco is a deadly poison
Dude u missing the point.
We are not talking about ordinary cigarettes we are talking about E cigs! Which is entirely different story.
It helps to read the entire thread before posting a reply
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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There is not much point in trying to share calmness and reason with someone who brings up that nameless person of fear in a simple discussion of
understanding basic things.
Still - done in much love and much valued as always 
So much light, so much peace, so much beauty, so much love.
Peace and light- J.
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For and always - am always grateful; more than I could express in words.... Strength and light 

Love and peace.
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Quote:
MarkostheGnostic said: Tobacco is a deadly poison on top of which it is highly addictive to most of its users.
There! I edited the thread title to clear all the confusion. We are not talking about physical health here, we talking about spiritual health.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
#22427046 - 10/24/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep-o... one of the beautiful things Viv shared was - there is no sin, only error.
And- - often we learn more from mistakes, heh. 
anyway. Peace and light, J.
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i bet we can bury that ugliness in some back and forth replies within a few short minutes if ya want to, though. 
peace and love, J.
so - for many cultures, tobacco is quite sacred! 
your turn,
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oh my goodness! yes, we did it! already 
Okay for all just joining us-- we are beginning from -- a discussion of tobacco and its spiritual merits,
and i started us off again, by sharing, in many cultures, tobacco is sacred.
your turn, shroomery.
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Dude we are concerned with e cigs here and nicotineTobacco is sacred and good in a pipe or cigar.
Im just not so sure about e cigs because certain spiritual entities think they know more than me and bull shit me
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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hehe, ah, gotcha- then... in that case; again, in my experience, no, not at all -- the only thing there is, you're usin' a machine, etc.. and all the connections there-- created, and so forth-- but that is everything we use... we share one karma, with the whole world -- so it's not like, a saint has good karma, and others do not-- every wise person understood, we are all inter-connected; so none of them ever try to speak down to others, or have any gladness at others' pain, etc... and- -- the sign of that shows a huge amount of lifetimes still to go through... if someone shows that.
my best friend got a vaporizor, and was very happy with it.
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Here is what Wiki has to say about nicotine:
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nicotine is associated with cardiovascular disease, potential birth defects, and poisoning
I dont like this
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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It's up to you, brother. One thing you might wish to consider is--
Self-faith, love, and the rest-- increase one's health by 25, 40, even 50% ...
Just a thought to keep in mind.
Peace and love, J.
Another is-- are you the body? etc. You've mentioned seeing infinite love, infinite oneness before;
What are your views?
Peace and love, J.
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So, it's an important thing to understand...
That you should do as you wish -- with no negative spells attached.
It is up to you, dear, dear, friend.
Namaste-
Peace and love, J.
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(one desant shared)
Peace and love, J.
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Gotta love LOTR
But they were smoking "pipe weed"
I am not 100% sure what it is but i think it something between weed and tobacco 
Anyway, there is an on going debate about nicotine safety here now:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22427195
Now we know that spiritually nicotine is ok, but what about physical state?
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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Once you know that you are light- nothing can harm you, not even a little smoke. Love and peace, J.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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desant said: Now we know that spiritually nicotine is ok, but what about physical state?
to me the two go hand in hand, treating our physical bodies with love and respect is an important aspect of practicing self love, which is imo the best way to raise our vibration and increase the quality of our experience 
i know Matt Kahn said once about smoking that he was asked to help someone quit. he told them to say out loud before they smoked "this is the most loving thing i can do for my body". after two weeks of doing this, they couldn't smoke anymore, as they had reinforced the realization that they weren't acting out of love for their body.
the negative effects of smoking tobacco are quite well studied, as for nicotine in the form of e-cigs, from a quick look on the wiki page it seems it is associated with cardiovascular risks such as higher blood pressure, faster heart rate, elevated cholesterol levels, and it aids in plaque formation. i'm not sure how significant the risk is of this from the amount you consume via e-cigs, so it's hard to say. perhaps you could try matt kahn's technique of saying "this is the most loving thing i can do to my body" before you do it each time, and feeling into the resonance of what that brings up energetically in you. does it feel like a loving action or a harmful one? it's entirely up to you
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
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they are sort of well studied, deff, but i would not say well studied. the numbers that are thrown around are wildly inaccurate; and people are believing them. for instance, people frequently sometimes say that they are more harmful than cars and what not-- so silly! what can i say, but investigate deeply into whether you are the body.
the primary thing i can say to you, desant is -- ask yourself, trust your heart; learn the answer on your own. find out for yourself.
tobacco is sacred in many, many cultures-- any wonder why some people denounce it so greatly?
we've been through enough. it's time to stop the negativity-- there's been too much of it already.
'if you go talkin' bout makin' with chairman Mao-- you ain' gonna make it with anyone, anyhow.'
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in other words- and, most simply -
if you are light; nothing can harm you, not even a little smoke.
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with that perspective, why are you against alcohol ?
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
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because two of my ancestors died from it - and currently, two more are basically, utterly lost to it-- more so, how it is pushed on our young - in colleges, in shows, in materialist culture, etc... fortunately; naturally, the tide has turned, long ago...
yep it has its time and place - sure. am not saying it does not. yet it is considered the most dangerous hard drug by some...
and a hard drug by all reliable information i have ever seen on the subject-- as well as my own experience.
one shot of whiskey - or one toke of a joint... it is utterly insane to say the latter is more harmful;
and the fact that our laws reflect this insane view -- this is, to my understanding, the primary cause of many if not most of our problems.
Especially when you add in the fact, that marijuana is not simply 'softer'- it is actually divine, healing, sacred, and blissful-- given to us by mother earth, and sacred.
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just to clarify i'm not for alcohol either i don't consume any of it
but many people also seem to die from tobacco related illnesses like lung cancer, so it seems a bit strange to be against alcohol and not also tobacco, on the basis of health reasons anyways
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secondly - not simply the suffering of a few individuals -- although this is significant, as we are so inter-connected, and the rest of it.
continuing -- the further harm caused by so many related things... and most primarily -- the long-term... i'm talking centuries and what not, harmful effects of believing such a harmful thing-- that a hard drug is better or safer --- this has so many other effects... you know?
if you view people. . . who are lost in anger today. . . and the other things, if you really look deeply;
you can understand how, being cut off from the sacred, from the divine -- from mother earth basically,
is pretty much the cause of their suffering -- and, this is one of the primary ways they are cut off.
Peace and love, J.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
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deff said: just to clarify i'm not for alcohol either i don't consume any of it
but many people also seem to die from tobacco related illnesses like lung cancer, so it seems a bit strange to be against alcohol and not also tobacco, on the basis of health reasons anyways 
well as i say - for many cultures, tobacco is very sacred. considering the disproportionate reaction and negativity which arose here -- this may be related as well.
for such cultures, it is certainly not believed that it is harmful.
namaste;
peace and love, jacob
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I'd love a big fat cigar right now
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
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awwesome 
i applaud you - as ever. i have never smoked one, other than a tiny bit, but am happy you are happy 
as always... very strongly evolved empathic sense in this one. i can tell you for sure.
i experimented with it as a stimulant briefly, it does work - but it is short-acting... only a few minutes, it very much seems to be.
namaste; peace and love, J.
otherwise for me, once in a blue moon--- reeally blue moon, lol 
i will partake of an American Spirit or something like that--
and, as mentioned, it is sacred for many peace ceremonies among the First People;
and holy -
so if there is the opportunity.... an inipi , sweat lodge , is wonderful,
etc.
love and peace, J.
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once in a lifetime said: because two of my ancestors died from it - and currently, two more are basically, utterly lost to it-- more so, how it is pushed on our young - in colleges, in shows, in materialist culture, etc... fortunately; naturally, the tide has turned, long ago...
yep it has its time and place - sure. am not saying it does not. yet it is considered the most dangerous hard drug by some...
and a hard drug by all reliable information i have ever seen on the subject-- as well as my own experience.
one shot of whiskey - or one toke of a joint... it is utterly insane to say the latter is more harmful;
and the fact that our laws reflect this insane view -- this is, to my understanding, the primary cause of many if not most of our problems.
Especially when you add in the fact, that marijuana is not simply 'softer'- it is actually divine, healing, sacred, and blissful-- given to us by mother earth, and sacred.
But it's all subjective. Weed makes me fall apart, scattered into a thousand pieces, unable to defend myself or even remember how to act.
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Jufin]
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sin..
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I'm suffering from depression The anger turned within What do I gain for all my pain Perhaps a seat in heaven? Don't do what you want Do what you're taught is right Your life is built on paranoia and guilt Don't forget your valium tonight The agony I must endure My mind is painful and swells The punishment for what I've done Is forever the pains of hell How come what is natural Has to be a sin? Why would God give me this urge If I cannot give in? They say don't give up That Jesus loves me I went down into my basement Confused and depressed Put Black Sabbath on Razor blade in hand A Wilkinson I think Ten slashes on each arm My only wrongdoing Was being born human And following my instincts I never was happy I never was sane So I shall be extinct The growing pool of crimson At last I am pure Witness my sanguineous penance I don't need anyone My soul's been set free Death is total independence Stand up straight Stomach in Shoulders back Sound off Angry Neurotic Catholics It's a sin Angry Neurotic Catholics It's a sin
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
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yep , beloved Jufin - we are each unique; so each person should live and partake of what they feel is good, healthful, and makes them happy.
peace and love, J.
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Re: Is consuming nicotine a sin? [Re: desant]
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Sinful? No. Assinine? Yes.
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Re: Is consuming nicotine a sin? [Re: desant]
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desant said: (i think i made a thread about this a while ago but it got lost in translation and i cant find it)
Mark Twain said: if smoking not allowed in heaven - im not coming.
Great philosophers smoke: Robert Wilson used to smoke a pipe.
Great spiritualists also smoke - A. Crowley and Robert Bruce.
Great anarchists smoke - Alex Jones i been told smokes like a chimney after doing a show.
Even Great Shroomists smoke e cigs! Shroomism!
BUT, certain spiritual entities keep telling me not to smoke tobacco for it slows down my spiritual progress...
What gives?? 
It says in the scriptures that we are all sinners, unable to reach the goals that God has expected us to reach. And since we are no better than the other, God wants us to humble ourselves, not exalting, claiming to be better than the others. And so if anyone offends or offensive to you, you must not be offended, because you are exalting yourself over them, and which it says,"whom exalted themselves over others, will become humble or you can say that they will be brought down low to their knees. But if you feel as if something inside of you telling you to stop, then you are being work on into becoming perfect by the spirit; because we are unable to make ourselves into becoming perfect, and so He is giving us His spirit so that we can have a heart like His.
Isaiah 4:4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.
John 16:8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
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It says in the scriptures that we are all sinners, unable to reach the goals that God has expected us to reach. And since we are no better than the other, God wants us to humble ourselves, not exalting, claiming to be better than the others. And so if anyone offends or offensive to you, you must not be offended, because you are exalting yourself over them, and which it says,"whom exalted themselves over others, will become humble or you can say that they will be brought down low to their knees. But if you feel as if something inside of you telling you to stop, then you are being work on into becoming perfect by the spirit; because we are unable to make ourselves into becoming perfect, and so He is giving us His spirit so that we can have a heart like His.
Isaiah 4:4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.
John 16:8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
Beware of the man of one book--Thomas Aquinas
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