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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427056 - 10/24/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i bet we can bury that ugliness in some back and forth replies within a few  short minutes if ya want to, though. :sun:

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so - for many cultures, tobacco is quite sacred!  :sun:

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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427063 - 10/24/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

oh my goodness!  yes, we did it!  already :sun:

Okay for all just joining us-- we are beginning from -- a discussion of tobacco and its spiritual merits,


and i started us off again, by sharing, in many cultures, tobacco is sacred. 

your turn,
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427078 - 10/24/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dude we are concerned with e cigs here and nicotineTobacco is sacred and good in a pipe or cigar.

Im just not so sure about e cigs because certain spiritual entities think they know more than me and bull shit me


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22427094 - 10/24/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

hehe, ah, gotcha- then... in that case; again, in my experience, no, not at all -- the only thing there is, you're usin' a machine, etc.. and all the connections there-- created, and so forth-- but that is everything we use...  we share one karma, with the whole world -- so it's not like, a saint has good karma, and others do not-- every wise person understood, we are all inter-connected; so none of them ever try to speak down to others, or have any gladness at others' pain, etc... and- -- the sign of that shows a huge amount of lifetimes still to go through... if someone shows that.

my best friend got a vaporizor, and was very happy with it.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #22427201 - 10/24/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Here is what Wiki has to say about nicotine:

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nicotine is associated with cardiovascular disease, potential birth defects, and poisoning





I dont like this :sad:


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22427224 - 10/24/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's up to you, brother.  One thing you might wish to consider is--

Self-faith, love, and the rest-- increase one's health by 25, 40, even 50% ...


Just a thought to keep in mind.

Peace and love,
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Another is-- are you the body?  etc.  You've mentioned seeing infinite love, infinite oneness before;

What are your views?


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427234 - 10/24/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So, it's an important thing to understand...

That you should do as you wish -- with no negative spells attached.

It is up to you, dear, dear, friend.

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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427250 - 10/24/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



(one desant shared)

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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427482 - 10/24/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Gotta love LOTR

But they were smoking "pipe weed"

I am not 100% sure what it is but i think it something between weed and tobacco :shrug:



Anyway, there is an on going debate about nicotine safety here now:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22427195

Now we know that spiritually nicotine is ok, but what about physical state?


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22427757 - 10/24/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Once you know that you are light- nothing can harm you, not even a little smoke.
Love and peace,
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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22427856 - 10/24/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Now we know that spiritually nicotine is ok, but what about physical state?



to me the two go hand in hand, treating our physical bodies with love and respect is an important aspect of practicing self love, which is imo the best way to raise our vibration and increase the quality of our experience :smile:

i know Matt Kahn said once about smoking that he was asked to help someone quit. he told them to say out loud before they smoked "this is the most loving thing i can do for my body". after two weeks of doing this, they couldn't smoke anymore, as they had reinforced the realization that they weren't acting out of love for their body.

the negative effects of smoking tobacco are quite well studied, as for nicotine in the form of e-cigs, from a quick look on the wiki page it seems it is associated with cardiovascular risks such as higher blood pressure, faster heart rate, elevated cholesterol levels, and it aids in plaque formation. i'm not sure how significant the risk is of this from the amount you consume via e-cigs, so it's hard to say. perhaps you could try matt kahn's technique of saying "this is the most loving thing i can do to my body" before you do it each time, and feeling into the resonance of what that brings up energetically in you. does it feel like a loving action or a harmful one? it's entirely up to you :smile:


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
    #22427883 - 10/24/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

they are sort of well studied, deff, but i would not say well studied.  the numbers that are thrown around are wildly inaccurate; and people are believing them.
for instance, people frequently sometimes say that they are more harmful than cars and what not-- so silly!
what can i say, but investigate deeply into whether you are the body. 

the primary thing i can say to you, desant is -- ask yourself, trust your heart; learn the answer on your own.  find out for yourself. 


tobacco is sacred in many, many cultures-- any wonder why some people denounce it so greatly? 



we've been through enough.  it's time to stop the negativity-- there's been too much of it already.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427894 - 10/24/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

in other words- and, most simply -


if you are light; nothing can harm you, not even a little smoke.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427905 - 10/24/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

with that perspective, why are you against alcohol ?


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
    #22427934 - 10/24/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

because two of my ancestors died from it - and currently, two more are basically, utterly lost to it--
more so, how it is pushed on our young - in colleges, in shows, in materialist culture, etc...
fortunately; naturally, the tide has turned, long ago...

yep it has its time and place - sure.  am not saying it does not.  yet it is considered the most dangerous hard drug by some...

and a hard drug by all reliable information i have ever seen on the subject-- as well as my own experience.

one shot of whiskey - or one toke of a joint...  it is utterly insane to say the latter is more harmful;

and the fact that our laws reflect this insane view -- this is, to my understanding, the primary cause of many if not most of our problems.

Especially when you add in the fact, that marijuana is not simply 'softer'- it is actually divine, healing, sacred, and blissful-- given to us by mother earth, and sacred.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427941 - 10/24/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

just to clarify i'm not for alcohol either :smile: i don't consume any of it

but many people also seem to die from tobacco related illnesses like lung cancer, so it seems a bit strange to be against alcohol and not also tobacco, on the basis of health reasons anyways :smile:


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427953 - 10/24/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

secondly - not simply the suffering of a few individuals -- although this is significant, as we are so inter-connected, and the rest of it.

continuing -- the further harm caused by so many related things... and most primarily -- the long-term... i'm talking centuries and what not, harmful effects of believing such a harmful thing-- that a hard drug is better or safer --- this has so many other effects... you know?


if you view people. . . who are lost in anger today. . . and the other things,  if you really look deeply;


you can understand how, being cut off from the sacred, from the divine -- from mother earth basically,


is pretty much the cause of their suffering -- and, this is one of the primary ways they are cut off.

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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: deff]
    #22427956 - 10/24/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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deff said:
just to clarify i'm not for alcohol either :smile: i don't consume any of it

but many people also seem to die from tobacco related illnesses like lung cancer, so it seems a bit strange to be against alcohol and not also tobacco, on the basis of health reasons anyways :smile:





well as i say - for many cultures, tobacco is very sacred.  considering the disproportionate reaction and negativity which arose here -- this may be related as well.


for such cultures, it is certainly not believed that it is harmful.

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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #22427964 - 10/24/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd love a big fat cigar right now :awesome:


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