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Is consuming nicotine a sin?
    #22426077 - 10/24/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

(i think i made a thread about this a while ago but it got lost in translation and i cant find it)

Mark Twain said: if smoking not allowed in heaven - im not coming.

Great philosophers smoke: Robert Wilson used to smoke a pipe.

Great spiritualists also smoke - A. Crowley and Robert Bruce.

Great anarchists smoke - Alex Jones i been told smokes like a chimney after doing a show.

Even Great Shroomists smoke e cigs! Shroomism!

BUT, certain spiritual entities keep telling me not to smoke tobacco for it slows down my spiritual progress...

What gives?? :crankey:


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426090 - 10/24/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It definitely slows mine down.  It negates my whole existence.  Live your own style, don't worry about others.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426102 - 10/24/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting, nicotine is definitely a nootropic (if you want to make that classification) I recall reading a study on the effects of nicotine on learning and memory, to which it had a substantial positive effect; So no surprise a lot of smart/notable people are smokers, aside from it being addictive as hell, so that could always be interpreted as coincidence.

  Perhaps you could elaborate on the spiritual entities warning you that it is slowing your spiritual progress. How many times and how often have you seen them? Under the influence of what substance do they come to you? Is there anything specific they are communicating to you? Is the message the same or does it vary?

I myself am no smoker, however I've dated a couple girls who smoke, I'll usually take a few drags off their cigs. The buzz is nice but the habit (thankfully) never stuck.

just think this is interesting, eager to hear more.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Jufin]
    #22426109 - 10/24/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Here i am not talking about normal cigarettes

I am talking specifically about E - Cigs, whci are virtually harmless to your health, clean...

Also pipe tobacco - which seems alright.

Also CIGARS which are ace and if anyone tells me i cant smoke cigars im gonna kick their ass!!


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426111 - 10/24/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So no surprise a lot of smart/notable people are smokers




I forgot! Einstein also smoked as far as i am aware!!


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426117 - 10/24/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hello Xiao_Yi and welcome to the forums, thanks for stopping by.


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Perhaps you could elaborate on the spiritual entities warning you that it is slowing your spiritual progress.





All that happens is if i smoke i receive less support from unseen positive spiritual beings. It seems as if they want me to go on a "path" to redemption and karmic absolution and not smoke or drink... it is all very complicated. Quite frankly i just cant wrap my mind around all this :frown:


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426127 - 10/24/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the welcome, I'm not completely new, just newish. I had another account with the same name, but I forgot the password and can't retrieve it as I can't access google here in China.

    Einstein smoked like a chimney, I believe he once fell into a river and swam back to shore managing to keep his pipe lit the whole time.

I may be confusing that anectdote with another famous person from that time. Either way, legend.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426146 - 10/24/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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desant said:
It seems as if they want me to go on a "path" to redemption and karmic absolution and not smoke or drink... it is all very complicated. Quite frankly i just cant wrap my mind around all this :frown:





Wow sounds pretty intense. I myself have always viewed alcohol as a "lesser drug" which would just mean that it doesn't offer any benefits aside from making you feel good. I myself don't drink too often, but I'll have a beer or two here and there.

I guess it boils down to whether or not you're up to the task of quitting, and attempting to go on this "path".


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426150 - 10/24/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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desant said:
Here i am not talking about normal cigarettes

I am talking specifically about E - Cigs, whci are virtually harmless to your health, clean...

Also pipe tobacco - which seems alright.

Also CIGARS which are ace and if anyone tells me i cant smoke cigars im gonna kick their ass!!



It's up to you what you do.  Personally it's no good for my mental state.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Xiao_Yi]
    #22426152 - 10/24/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And now, spirits do not give me even a choice!!! :crankey:


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22192880/fpart/1



They fuck with my e cig some how, completely fuck it up! :mad2:

Now i cant even smoke wha ever the answer to the question.

God form that fucks it up says  " i will understand it later " but i also been eves dropping between this god form and some powerful witches and god form told witches its my "punishment" :crankey:


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant] * 1
    #22426173 - 10/24/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You should know by now, that its only you mind that made this issue complicated. IF your guides dont want you to smoke, its for obvious reasons. You dont need anything physical to progress. But you can convince yourself that (in this case) smoking will help you in some way. Dig deeper and seek why would you think so?
I think its all just really easy.

:heart:


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: ivander]
    #22426193 - 10/24/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Smoking is a form of gradual suicide.

Its OK to smoke because you are an immortal soul.

You should only smoke if you wish to draw this life to a gradual closde though, cause thats what you'd be doing.


EDIT: by smoking I mean the commercialized product known as the cigarette which is smoked out of habit, not natural organic sun cured tobacco smoked rarely for magicoreligious reasons.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
    #22426223 - 10/24/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Very wise, ivander.
Tobacco, like everything, has its place and its season.  When done in a medicine ceremony, it is sacred, peaceful.
Thank you for your presence and wisdom.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
    #22426231 - 10/24/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Asante said:
Smoking is a form of gradual suicide.

Its OK to smoke because you are an immortal soul.

You should only smoke if you wish to draw this life to a gradual closde though, cause thats what you'd be doing.






Not quite...

Are you talking about normal cigarettes the "coffin nails" or "cancer sticks" ?? If so i agree.

But like i t was mentiond and written all over e vape forum e cigs are not harmful really


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426237 - 10/24/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

True.  It's up to you, beloved friend.

Entirely your choice.  If you do smoke, there are some brands which are better than others-


Regardless of what brand you smoke, you have my love, friendship, healthfulness, and support- always.

You're one of my best friends, and nothing could ever change that... For spiritual protection, you've got my support, always.


Peace and Love,

Jacob


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: Asante]
    #22426282 - 10/24/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Smoking is a form of gradual suicide.

Its OK to smoke because you are an immortal soul.

You should only smoke if you wish to draw this life to a gradual closde though, cause thats what you'd be doing.




I agree with you, Asante.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22426297 - 10/24/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The mind makes it so.

Peace.


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22426672 - 10/24/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Smoking is a form of gradual suicide.

Its OK to smoke because you are an immortal soul.

You should only smoke if you wish to draw this life to a gradual closde though, cause thats what you'd be doing.




I agree with you, Asante.






No we are not talking about old normal cigarettes - physical harm

no

We are talking about new safe for physical health e cigs - spiritual harm??


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426770 - 10/24/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also lets distinguish between pipe tobacco, cigars and e cigs.



Pipes and cigars smoke goes into mouth and gets absorbed that way ( a lil bit goes dwon to stomach with salaiva too?)
So smoke gets absorbed into blood stream thro the mouth.

E Cigs - catch smoke into your LUNGS and then into blood stream.

So eventually all 3 get into blood stream. On those basis i can canclude that if smoking cigars OK (im sure its OK) then smoking E cigs is OK too :smirk:


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Re: Is smoking tobacco a sin? [Re: desant]
    #22426794 - 10/24/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No, there is no spiritual harm from partaking of tobacco.  The only related point is that a certain amount of suffering goes into everything we partake of; so to understand this, is to enable entrance into the flowing river of love; of reality- when one enters that flow, it is new and unique, different each time, yet also the same... what it means, basically, is that we give honor, and respect, to all the living beings which are affected by us, and we do our best, give our hearts to transform the world in a healthful and positive way... in a beautiful manner, by opening our hearts to others, and sharing love and friendship- and not ever breaking the sanctity of those, by trying to control others-- by sharing love whenever possible- this makes life beautiful.

The way to enter the sacred is to transform ourselves; and do the best we can at each step.  We share one karma, with the whole world; as all beings are inter-connected; there's not separate karma for you and me, we have the same karma.  This is always true.  We can understand this by understanding non-duality- because you and I are the same, we have the same karma.  A Bodhisattva sees the world as Herself, and in this way, knows that all the others deserve to be happy and safe, and well-- the same as She deserves to be happy, safe and well.

Also - there is certainly great value in reducing our consumption of other, sacred living beings.  This is very important.  One aspect is to devote ourselves to the transformation of the h'art mind, into a more beautiful form- each day; more love, more light, more peace, more grace, more wisdom- so we consecrate ourselves and life by our devotion to love, to health, to the happiness of all living beings- as all living beings are sacred, loved, beloved, and beautiful-- part one; part two is reducing our consumption.

It is a mistake to enact part one while not doing part two-- for instance, every genuine teacher shares the same, general path-- to vocally assure people, one follows a teacher-- while in truth, breaking each of their guidelines; this would be a great mistake as well -- and such things can be... well, it all fades--- eventually, into love and light...

So that's what the main thing is.

Anyway- so, reducing our consumption is very good; yet it should be done -- not artificially, but in a good way-- as much as we are able to, this is useful and good-- and, the right times, the right ways...

The perfect timing- when to do these things; that is unique for each person.  Yet it is good to know.  Perfect timing- and so forth-- many other things-- are entirely possible.

Anyway, no, there is certainly no spiritual harm in partaking of tobacco.

Thank you for writing and being here- beloved friend; desant,  Your light is beautiful- always.

You uplift and enrich- always.  You are, in a word, wonderful.  Thankfully yours;

With Love,
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