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Lophophora seedlings issue
    #22426030 - 10/24/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So I am taking a second stab at a variety of lophophora from seed.  My first was a fail and were leggy.

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Using a sand/cactus soil mix that was pasteurized
Using the tent method and keeping containers in large zip lock bags
Using a heating pad and keeping it in indirect sun near a window away from direct sunlight

I have had a great germination rate, but they are leggy.  From what I gather, they are leggy because they are reaching for the sun.  Currently they get room light and indirect afternoon sun.

how do you guys find the right balance between protection and nurishment with regard to natural sunlight?


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22426182 - 10/24/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don´t grow L. williamsii from seed any more - I let the quite large collection of plants I have do it for me.  But when I grow any cacti from seed I use a pair of 20W 6000K fluoros - this brings them on well until they look like miniature adults instead of blobs of green jelly.

Certainly you appear to need more light - some pics of your attempts would help.  I know some nurseries raise seed in their greenhouses under shade cloth - but I am reluctant to give advice on something I have not actually done myself.

These seedlings have spent all their lives in the Spanish sun - they get shade from Mum and under the gravel in the early stages.



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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22426358 - 10/24/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

your plants might benefit from some additional light. if they are reaching, you might try adding a flourescent bar, or maybe a small dome light (like for a reptile tank), and put a wide spectrum bulb in it. If you are able to. Take a snap or 2 of your set up, for us. and maybe the seedlings. that might give us a visual sense of what's going on. :wink:


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22426558 - 10/24/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you both for the suggestions!  I will try and remember to post some picks when I get back home.  I hope to make it back before dark.  :thumbup:

I will check prices at my pet store and my home improvement store for lighting.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22433007 - 10/25/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How old are these seedlings? I've noticed with Lophs germinating and first starting out, they tend to look stretchy but will start plumping up and becoming round when they get to be a couple months old or so. This is all under flouro lighting...

I'm not saying they couldn't use more light (stretching in cacti does in fact suggest a lack of light, like you said), but just consider that their age (if in fact they are just recently germinated) might be playing a factor...  Just my 2 cents.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22437197 - 10/26/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So since my post I removed the baggies and got a lamp with a 45w bulb made for indoor plants.  I put it on a 14 hour light cycle(7a-9p).  I also put the heat pad on the cycle as well.

I do not like how leggy they are.  In taking off the bags and adding a light, I am hopeful they will fill in a bit.



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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22437243 - 10/26/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, they are still very young, so I would expect them to be a little long, but I agree that those are taller than they should be... The light should help. If possible, I would say to get that light closer though. Maybe a little bit at a time.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22437292 - 10/26/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Will try. The first day I had it the light was 1ft off the cover and it dried all condensation off the plastic cover, so I figured that was too close.  I included a pic showing how close it was to a window, but since it is dark when I get home, I couldn't very well show the amount of indirect light it usually gets.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22437359 - 10/26/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How long has it been since they sprouted? They might be about ready to start taking away humidity... I think a lot of folks leave them in humidity for different periods of time before pulling from humidity, but once they sprout, I personally go ahead and take them out of humidity after like a week or so.

That's obviously not what's causing the stretching tho... The humidity, I mean


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22438740 - 10/27/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I am sorry to disappoint you, but I don't think that lamp is designed for any kind of plant. Either I am REALLY missing something or it is a regular incandescent bulb, highly inefficient in that it loses a lot of the energy it consumes in the form of heat (as you have already noticed) and the light it provides is mostly in the red end of the spectrum.
You will do far better using a CFL (compact fluorescent lamp) with a colour temp around 6500K (there will be others with colour temps around 2700K; those are the low-consumption equivalent to the one you've got now) and place it 6-8" above the seedlings. Bear in mind that if the room the plants are in is used by people on a regular basis, the "cool white" hue of the lamp may be uncomfortable.
Good luck and keep us posted. :wink:


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: LSoares]
    #22438909 - 10/27/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

LSoares-

The bulb is a sylvania spot-gro 65w.  To quote the box it came in-  "try our spot-gro product line for all your indoor plant light needs.  For best results the lamp should be used at a distance of 1-3 feet above the plants"....sounded like it was made for plants so that's why I bought this particular one.

I thank you for the CFL suggestion.  I will explore.  I had looked at T5 flourecent fixtures(the ones suggested to me by the woman who grew the parent cactus I got the seeds from), but they were all 4ft long and I don't have the space.

Since these are seedlings, I figured it would be better to err on the side of not bright enough because they are so tender. 

Thank you all for the feedback.  I will try and update


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22438966 - 10/27/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I googled ´Sylvania spot-gro´. To quote from the first website I looked at:

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Beware of light bulbs simply labeled as “plant” bulbs, such as these “Spot-Gro” bulbs. They’re designed to make your plants LOOK better by making them appear more green, but they’re really just tinted incandescent bulbs.


Sorry - I agree totally with LSoares - incandescent bulbs like this are completely the wrong spectrum for raising seedlings.



Here is my seed raising set up - a pair of 20W 6000K fluorescent tubes (I did say that in an earlier post) - from my local Chinese bazaar - they are about 18" long, just cost a few Euros. Ditch your spot-gros and invest in something like this.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: Spanishfly]
    #22439202 - 10/27/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Spanishfly-

No need to apologize, I never disagreed with LS.  I only quoted what the manufacturer said on the packaging material the bulb came in.  I came here for good info as my own efforts came up short.

The bulb is not my primary light source, if it was I would have definitely been a bit more discerning in choosing a light.  Considering that, you still think I would need a new light setup?

Thank you so much for the feedback.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22439256 - 10/27/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I don´t think you can go wrong in getting a 6000K fluoro for seed raising.  Or even two.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: Spanishfly]
    #22441177 - 10/27/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Heck, you can even get one of those 6500k CFL bulbs and just reuse that base you already have if you don't have the cash to get a tube setup going yet. Just a thought.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22443458 - 10/28/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just got a 6500 CFL daylight.  Will give it a go. 

Even without yet changing the bulb, they have started to fatten up.  Not sure if that is due to removal of bags and subsequent lower humidity, addition of the spot gro, natural progression, or a mix.


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22443472 - 10/28/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Brilliant - the best thing !!!


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: Spanishfly]
    #22445958 - 10/28/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22562169 - 11/23/15 04:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Update-

The 6500 CFL is on a 12/12 cycle with a heat pad(bright warm days with cool dark nights).

They are getting fatter and not taller.  I am so excited!!  I have been watering from the bottom 1x a week and have started leaving the container open for 8-12 hours at a time to harden them off.

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Re: Lophophora seedlings issue [Re: maynard]
    #22562172 - 11/23/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Please, do post pics. And congratulations! :wink:


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