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Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium
    #22424153 - 10/23/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A self-sustaining mushroom lab or something close?

...could be done?

With enough space? House, warehouse, the moon?

I feel like the knowledge and creativity of all of us together could make at least a plausible design for this concept.

Where would you start?


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Golden Student]
    #22424228 - 10/23/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The world is already one of those, just go outside.  There's no self-sustaining in indoor cultivation though.  Stuff gets drained and cultures lose vigor and get contaminated.  Where does contamination fit into this self-sustained grow cycle?  We just ignore it and it'll "work itself out?"  Not too likely.  Any grow setup for mushrooms indoors is going to require human intervention now and then.  If people could grow mushrooms without having to do anything, they'd be doing it to supply the world with food instead of cubes.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
    #22424305 - 10/23/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It seems like an interesting idea for sure. Maybe a large open building with some sort of humidity and air conditioning to get things in the necessary spectrums. sort of like a semi controlled outdoor grow. still would need people to harvest and such. But that seems like a huge thing to tackle. maybe with better technology and understanding in the future but probably not now.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Parafaragaramus]
    #22424316 - 10/23/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dunno how you would automate clean spawn production which would be necessary past the first harvest.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
    #22424339 - 10/23/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

maybe just try and replicate nature as best as possible. nothing is clean outside. Maybe have multiple plots that can be used and have a fan to blow spores and continue like that? idk I'm just throwing out whatever ideas.
Definitely doesn't sound feasible


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Parafaragaramus]
    #22424345 - 10/23/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If we're replicating nature that means we have pretty much every mold and bacteria under the sun living in unison in this contraption.  Since that's not a great idea we'd have to continually reproduce clean spawn, which means robots and a clean area in front of a flow hood.

Of course, once we're bringing in robots, it becomes feasible but very expensive.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
    #22424374 - 10/23/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

well what keeps mushrooms growing in nature and not every mold and bacteria?

any good idea is relatively expensive. some people have the money and are determined. who knows maybe there's someone out there lol


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Parafaragaramus]
    #22424391 - 10/23/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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well what keeps mushrooms growing in nature and not every mold and bacteria?




The fact that the world is huge and there's lots of places for spores to land, giant underground colonies of myceilum that don't experience senescence, cows that eat spores and then shit them out in a perfect substrate, and the fact that every other mold and bacteria are all too busy fighting each other to gang up on cubes like they do indoors.

To name a few...


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
    #22424429 - 10/23/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If we're replicating nature that means we have pretty much every mold and bacteria under the sun living in unison in this contraption.  Since that's not a great idea we'd have to continually reproduce clean spawn, which means robots and a clean area in front of a flow hood.





You may forget that even basic terrariums do replicate natural conditions for mushrooms, else they wouldn't grow.

I don't think there would have to be that much bio diversity. I imagine a dirt layer where mycelium decomposes stuff, and grass plus other plants and trees growing on top. Maybe a few plant eating creatures to move around and replenish nutrients?


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Golden Student]
    #22424455 - 10/23/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I thought everything experienced senescence and it was just a constant renewing and rebirth that kept the mycelium going. I haven't look into it really. But I was just thinking get big enough sectors and maybe you can keep the cycle going as normal. who knows.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Golden Student]
    #22424502 - 10/23/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You may forget that even basic terrariums do replicate natural conditions for mushrooms, else they wouldn't grow.

I don't think there would have to be that much bio diversity. I imagine a dirt layer where mycelium decomposes stuff, and grass plus other plants and trees growing on top. Maybe a few plant eating creatures to move around and replenish nutrients?




Uh, I forgot what now?  Basic fruiting chambers don't replicate natural conditions at all.  They provide conditions that make it easier for the mushrooms to grow, but mushrooms outside don't always have humidity and 6500k light.  Basic "terrariums" also don't come jam packed with an ecosystem of mold and bacteria that needs fighting off.  There's nothing natural about sterilizing substrate and inoculating it with a single biological specimen, allowing it to grow uninhibited.

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I thought everything experienced senescence and it was just a constant renewing and rebirth that kept the mycelium going. I haven't look into it really. But I was just thinking get big enough sectors and maybe you can keep the cycle going as normal. who knows.




In nature the biodiversity is so great that senescence doesn't occur like with clone cultures at home.  There are constantly new spores dropping and re-integrating their genetics with the main mycelial mass, which sometimes take up square miles underground, depending on species.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
    #22424581 - 10/23/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

then it may just be a matter of finding the smallest area possible to replicate


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Parafaragaramus]
    #22424601 - 10/23/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The smaller it is the harder it is to replicate and hold conditions.  Come on now.  Does a big thing or a small thing dry out faster?  Does a big universe or a small universe have a better chance of igniting the spark of life?  Does a big field or a little field have a better chance of popping up cubes?

A self-repeating system has to be pretty fuckin huge.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
    #22424730 - 10/23/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the smaller it is the easier it is to regulate all conditions associated with the area. a small area may dry out faster but it is far easier to hydrate than a larger area. a larger area takes more time and effort to regulate while a smaller area is easier to have a nice homogenized climate/environment. we're not talking about life in a small universe here. it's a fungus grown on a planet in which we live.
It's all about a happy medium.
If it was harder to replicate and hold conditions then we wouldn't be able to grow mushrooms in the comfort of our own home. I think that is the main principle that affects mushrooms growth in a small regulated environment (ie a minimono/monotub)

you're talking about a randomized field with a ton of variables. This is all about minimizing those variables. Making far fewer variables. And that is more easily accomplished in a small area.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Parafaragaramus]
    #22424775 - 10/23/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Okay since it's in such a small area, how to keep the sterile area where clean spawn is created from the area where fruiting is taking place and there is FAE?

And when subs are spent, what happens to those?  They don't just stack up in the corner.

There's just no way to do this without human intervention.


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    #22424802 - 10/23/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't particularly thinking of a giant grow room where clean spawn is a necessity. I was just thinking of the smallest possible grow that mimics nature with a semi automated system. something that just controls air/humidity when necessary and during the proper times in a large enough area to propagate sustained growth.

Of course humans will always be necessary in some way or another.
I think the idea of a fully self sustaining unit is counterproductive as you wouldn't be able to harvest anything and it would just be for looks. Constantly replenishing itself.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Parafaragaramus]
    #22424815 - 10/23/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I can't think of any possible way for such a self sustaining system to exist small scale.  Contams would take over pretty fuckin quickly.  The smallest scale we have of this is what happens outside on the surface of a planet flying through space.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Golden Student]
    #22424830 - 10/23/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You may forget that even basic terrariums do replicate natural conditions for mushrooms, else they wouldn't grow.





:justno: the fruiting systems we use and the way we grow is not to replicate nature it's to improve upon it which is always the goal indoors, you want fully automated rip your floor up lay down somedirst/straw/ grass get a small cow toss some spawn around close the door and post updates over then  next few years:thumbup:(do not do this lol)


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: cronicr]
    #22424836 - 10/23/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Actually that might work.  If you add a cow, the system is suddenly a lot more feasible.


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Re: Self Sustaining Mushroom Terrarium [Re: Inocuole]
    #22424844 - 10/23/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

well the definition of small is relative. there's no way to tell exactly the size it would need to be without experimentation. if we could reduce it at all then it could be considered "small".
the smallest scale so far definitely. I think if someone had the time, dedication, and funds they could reduce it. Technology is getting better every day and we're definitely not going backwards.

I personally think we are the most adept species on this planet and given the necessary tools/environment we can accomplish great things. we're advancing every day.


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