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CharlesBruce


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Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising
#22423267 - 10/23/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey. Found these while hunting liberty caps - they seemed to be growing on horse dung. Spore print is purple-black. Two specimens showing blue bruising. Brown/reddish brown when moist, drying to a sandy/golden colour. Nipple on some specimens.
They look like some kind of Psilocybe? What do you think? The strong bluing on some suggests they're active (at least 2 of them). Also, some of the liberty caps I found nearby.

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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#22423348 - 10/23/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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just a shot in the dark, ps. fimetaria?
whatever they are theyre definitely psilocybes and active.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Silky_Johnson]
#22423493 - 10/23/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Compare to:
Psilocybe fimetaria Psilocybe semilanceata Psilocybe strictipes

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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: The Lightning]
#22423795 - 10/23/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks. Psilocybe fimetaria look like the best fit. Don't know of any other actives in the UK that grow on horse dung. Perhaps the blueing ones are Psilocybe fimetaria are the non blueing ones Psilocybe coprophila?
Some were quite red and had a white ring around the bottom of the cap. They look just like the ones on this thread and same habitat http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11316795
I found loads more so I will try to get some more pics tomorrow.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#22423877 - 10/23/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool find
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#22424069 - 10/23/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What area of the world are you in OP? That is an awesome find! Please dry and save some so that they are be looked at under a microscope.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#22426900 - 10/24/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm from UK.
Found some more today growing on horse dung, pics:

Some light blue bruising at the base on these. They seem to be quite orange when first coming through. I think they're the same ones as OP.
Can anyone confirm the ID on these?
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#22426942 - 10/24/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is very cool mate. Thanks for posting
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#22426990 - 10/24/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice collection. However, I don't see the bluing on those. They resemble Deconica coprophila.
http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=deconica+coprophila
If you honestly see bluing, try to capture it blatantly with the camera.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: The Lightning]
#22427013 - 10/24/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Lightning said: Nice collection. However, I don't see the bluing on those. They resemble Deconica coprophila.
http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=deconica+coprophila
If you honestly see bluing, try to capture it blatantly with the camera.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#22427177 - 10/24/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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CharlesBruce said: Thanks. Psilocybe fimetaria look like the best fit. Don't know of any other actives in the UK that grow on horse dung. Perhaps the blueing ones are Psilocybe fimetaria are the non blueing ones Psilocybe coprophila?
Some were quite red and had a white ring around the bottom of the cap. They look just like the ones on this thread and same habitat http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11316795
I found loads more so I will try to get some more pics tomorrow.
I think the non blueing mushrooms in your original post are likely to be Psilocybe semilanceate. The ones that are bruising look very interesting indeed. Cool find.
Edited by Bubbles85 (10/24/15 12:57 PM)
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Bubbles85]
#22427962 - 10/24/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting find. It would be good to see others bluing like the first two specimens. I can't see any in the second set of pictures.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22428009 - 10/24/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Blazer420]
#22430362 - 10/25/15 02:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very interesting! Looks active!
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#22430597 - 10/25/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Lightning said: Nice collection. However, I don't see the bluing on those. They resemble Deconica coprophila.
http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=deconica+coprophila
If you honestly see bluing, try to capture it blatantly with the camera.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#22431153 - 10/25/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Lightning said: Nice collection. However, I don't see the bluing on those. They resemble Deconica coprophila.
http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=deconica+coprophila
If you honestly see bluing, try to capture it blatantly with the camera.
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Looks like someone didn't read the whole thread.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: The Lightning]
#22432009 - 10/25/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, I was going to mention that yesterday, the second collection here is Deconica, the first collection is an active Psilocybe species.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: inski]
#22470858 - 11/03/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Reading Stamet's PMOTW, he describes the inactive Psilocybe (Deconica) coprophila as "sometimes bruising bluish in the mycelium" (pg. 106). A few reports of bluing mycelium are mentioned here too. Could this be the case in these specimens?
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22471016 - 11/03/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had no idea that active Psilocybes grew on dung, in the UK.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn] 1
#22471026 - 11/03/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilocybe fimetaria does.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22471035 - 11/03/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Psilocybe fimetaria does.
Yes, I gathered that from reading the previous messages.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn]
#22471045 - 11/03/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apparently.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#22471190 - 11/03/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha, forgot it was up top too
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22471681 - 11/03/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Reading Stamet's PMOTW, he describes the inactive Psilocybe (Deconica) coprophila as "sometimes bruising bluish in the mycelium" (pg. 106). A few reports of bluing mycelium are mentioned here too. Could this be the case in these specimens?
Possibly but it's more than the mycelium bruising with these, the whole mushroom including cap is bruised blue quite strongly. The two blue ones also have different caps from the other mushrooms which are surely coprohilia. Dunno what they are tbh, fimetaria are supposed to have rings on stem. Maybe strictipes but you can clearly show it growing from the pile of dung on the end. I still have them dried if anyone is interested in taking a look. Mystery shrooms
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#22471711 - 11/03/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Imo based on the fact that these were found growing from dung they are highly likely to be Psilocybe fimetaria
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn]
#22471729 - 11/03/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Psilocybe fimetaria does.
Yes, I gathered that from reading the previous messages. 
So does Panaeolus cinctulus
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Bubbles85]
#22471800 - 11/03/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why doesn't anyone call them pan subbs anymore? Google is failing me. I used to pick them for years a long long time ago and no one here called them cincts.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Bubbles85]
#22471882 - 11/03/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Psilocybe fimetaria does.
Yes, I gathered that from reading the previous messages. 
So does Panaeolus cinctulus
Yes but that is not a Psilocybe species.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn]
#22471936 - 11/03/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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They'd be fine if someone introduced them right?
Curious..
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22472087 - 11/03/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Reading Stamet's PMOTW, he describes the inactive Psilocybe (Deconica) coprophila as "sometimes bruising bluish in the mycelium" (pg. 106). A few reports of bluing mycelium are mentioned here too. Could this be the case in these specimens?
False description.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn]
#22474204 - 11/04/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Psilocybe fimetaria does.
Yes, I gathered that from reading the previous messages. 
So does Panaeolus cinctulus
Yes but that is not a Psilocybe species.
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elprawn said: I had no idea that active Psilocybes grew on dung, in the UK.
No but it is an active Psilocybin containing species. I was referring to the word active as opposed to Psilocybe.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Adden]
#22474237 - 11/04/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dys said: Why doesn't anyone call them pan subbs anymore? Google is failing me. I used to pick them for years a long long time ago and no one here called them cincts.
Beats me. I think they're highly underated as an active. The trip they produce is like no Psilocybe I've ever tried. The euphoria they create is amazing. Definitely one of my favourite species
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Adden]
#22474259 - 11/04/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because cinctulus was published first (I think by like 100 years first). As both names refer to the same taxon, the older is the valid one and is conserved.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Bubbles85]
#22474364 - 11/04/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jeez you guys are a treasure trove of knowledge. I'd pay money for the stuff you guys teach around here. It's why I don't mind buying a supporter account. Kind of like spore water.. give back to that from which you've taken. Or like picking up trash when you hunt or making someone smile on their morning run through the park.
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Beats me. I think they're highly underated as an active. The trip they produce is like no Psilocybe I've ever tried. The euphoria they create is amazing. Definitely one of my favourite species 
Most definitely. The trips also felt different from specimens collected in CT vs. Minnesota's. I must clarify the CT ones were taken frequently a long time ago and infrequently in MN not long ago. Interesting species. I was surprised it was in MN and how in one area people were willing to give away spots for free. Lots of horses and cows.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Adden]
#22477080 - 11/04/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Found a nice cluster of these Deconica coprophila today. Darn things everywhere, still no more fimetaria finds but the search continues
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Joust]
#22485087 - 11/06/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Reading Stamet's PMOTW, he describes the inactive Psilocybe (Deconica) coprophila as "sometimes bruising bluish in the mycelium" (pg. 106). A few reports of bluing mycelium are mentioned here too. Could this be the case in these specimens?
False description.
So those reports turned out to be false?
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22485111 - 11/06/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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In so far as false positive tests have been a common problem from the period and have never been reproducible, nor has the blueing mycellium, added to the species falling within a clade containing no known psilocybian species, yes.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: canid]
#22485148 - 11/06/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That certainly adds to the confusion of identification. Which period were false positives common in?
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22485158 - 11/06/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd have to go hunting for citations. I'll get to it as I can.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#27748629 - 04/23/22 07:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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CharlesBruce said: Found a nice cluster of these Deconica coprophila today. Darn things everywhere, still no more fimetaria finds but the search continues
Apologies for waking up an old post but those mushrooms look *very* much like Psilocybe fimetaria to me, and equally they do not look like Deconica coprophila
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