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elprawn
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22471035 - 11/03/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Psilocybe fimetaria does.
Yes, I gathered that from reading the previous messages.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn]
#22471045 - 11/03/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apparently.
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Williamsii
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#22471190 - 11/03/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha, forgot it was up top too
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22471681 - 11/03/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Reading Stamet's PMOTW, he describes the inactive Psilocybe (Deconica) coprophila as "sometimes bruising bluish in the mycelium" (pg. 106). A few reports of bluing mycelium are mentioned here too. Could this be the case in these specimens?
Possibly but it's more than the mycelium bruising with these, the whole mushroom including cap is bruised blue quite strongly. The two blue ones also have different caps from the other mushrooms which are surely coprohilia. Dunno what they are tbh, fimetaria are supposed to have rings on stem. Maybe strictipes but you can clearly show it growing from the pile of dung on the end. I still have them dried if anyone is interested in taking a look. Mystery shrooms
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Bubbles85

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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#22471711 - 11/03/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Imo based on the fact that these were found growing from dung they are highly likely to be Psilocybe fimetaria
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Bubbles85

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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn]
#22471729 - 11/03/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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elprawn said:
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Williamsii said: Psilocybe fimetaria does.
Yes, I gathered that from reading the previous messages. 
So does Panaeolus cinctulus
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Bubbles85]
#22471800 - 11/03/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why doesn't anyone call them pan subbs anymore? Google is failing me. I used to pick them for years a long long time ago and no one here called them cincts.
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elprawn
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Bubbles85]
#22471882 - 11/03/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bubbles85 said:
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elprawn said:
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Williamsii said: Psilocybe fimetaria does.
Yes, I gathered that from reading the previous messages. 
So does Panaeolus cinctulus
Yes but that is not a Psilocybe species.
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elprawn said: I had no idea that active Psilocybes grew on dung, in the UK.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn]
#22471936 - 11/03/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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They'd be fine if someone introduced them right?
Curious..
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Joust
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22472087 - 11/03/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Williamsii said: Reading Stamet's PMOTW, he describes the inactive Psilocybe (Deconica) coprophila as "sometimes bruising bluish in the mycelium" (pg. 106). A few reports of bluing mycelium are mentioned here too. Could this be the case in these specimens?
False description.
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Bubbles85

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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: elprawn]
#22474204 - 11/04/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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elprawn said:
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elprawn said:
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Williamsii said: Psilocybe fimetaria does.
Yes, I gathered that from reading the previous messages. 
So does Panaeolus cinctulus
Yes but that is not a Psilocybe species.
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elprawn said: I had no idea that active Psilocybes grew on dung, in the UK.
No but it is an active Psilocybin containing species. I was referring to the word active as opposed to Psilocybe.
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Bubbles85

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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Adden]
#22474237 - 11/04/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dys said: Why doesn't anyone call them pan subbs anymore? Google is failing me. I used to pick them for years a long long time ago and no one here called them cincts.
Beats me. I think they're highly underated as an active. The trip they produce is like no Psilocybe I've ever tried. The euphoria they create is amazing. Definitely one of my favourite species
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canid
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Adden]
#22474259 - 11/04/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because cinctulus was published first (I think by like 100 years first). As both names refer to the same taxon, the older is the valid one and is conserved.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Bubbles85]
#22474364 - 11/04/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jeez you guys are a treasure trove of knowledge. I'd pay money for the stuff you guys teach around here. It's why I don't mind buying a supporter account. Kind of like spore water.. give back to that from which you've taken. Or like picking up trash when you hunt or making someone smile on their morning run through the park.
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Dys said: Why doesn't anyone call them pan subbs anymore? Google is failing me. I used to pick them for years a long long time ago and no one here called them cincts.
Beats me. I think they're highly underated as an active. The trip they produce is like no Psilocybe I've ever tried. The euphoria they create is amazing. Definitely one of my favourite species 
Most definitely. The trips also felt different from specimens collected in CT vs. Minnesota's. I must clarify the CT ones were taken frequently a long time ago and infrequently in MN not long ago. Interesting species. I was surprised it was in MN and how in one area people were willing to give away spots for free. Lots of horses and cows.
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CharlesBruce


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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Adden]
#22477080 - 11/04/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Found a nice cluster of these Deconica coprophila today. Darn things everywhere, still no more fimetaria finds but the search continues
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Williamsii
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Joust]
#22485087 - 11/06/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Joust said:
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Williamsii said: Reading Stamet's PMOTW, he describes the inactive Psilocybe (Deconica) coprophila as "sometimes bruising bluish in the mycelium" (pg. 106). A few reports of bluing mycelium are mentioned here too. Could this be the case in these specimens?
False description.
So those reports turned out to be false?
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canid
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22485111 - 11/06/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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In so far as false positive tests have been a common problem from the period and have never been reproducible, nor has the blueing mycellium, added to the species falling within a clade containing no known psilocybian species, yes.
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Williamsii
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: canid]
#22485148 - 11/06/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That certainly adds to the confusion of identification. Which period were false positives common in?
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canid
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: Williamsii]
#22485158 - 11/06/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd have to go hunting for citations. I'll get to it as I can.
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Re: Possible psilocybes growing on dung in UK. Some blue bruising [Re: CharlesBruce]
#27748629 - 04/23/22 07:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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CharlesBruce said: Found a nice cluster of these Deconica coprophila today. Darn things everywhere, still no more fimetaria finds but the search continues
Apologies for waking up an old post but those mushrooms look *very* much like Psilocybe fimetaria to me, and equally they do not look like Deconica coprophila
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