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happyshroomer123
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I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs?
#22422546 - 10/23/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always get many open eye Visuals but hardly any closed eye Visuals. Why is this and is there something I can do about it?
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SnowDaze
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It's just black and dark like when you normally close your eyes?
You don't see geometric patterns or anything??
Are you on any medications?
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happyshroomer123
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: SnowDaze]
#22422577 - 10/23/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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SnowDaze said: It's just black and dark like when you normally close your eyes?
You don't see geometric patterns or anything??
Are you on any medications?
I see some very mild patterns or shapes, but nothing like I've read in trip reports.
Maybe my dose wasn't high enough but then again I do have vivid open eye Visuals?
used to be on SSRIs and remeron too, but not on them anymore and wasn't on them during the tripping.
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Closed eye visuals take time to form for some people. Silent darkness helps a lot. When you feel them kicking in just sit alone in the dark with your eyes closed. It helps if you know how to meditate.
http://www.focusing.org/folio/Vol25No12014/LeslieEllis_2014.pdf The steps of active imagination Engaging with powerful, living images is at the heart of Jungian active imagination. Although in his writings Jung did not provide much information about how to actually practice this method, he deeply engaged in the process himself, and spoke about it often
(Cwik, 1997). This allowed others close to Jung to describe the process in more detail. For example, Marie-Louise von Franz, who founded the C. G. Jung Institute in Zurich and worked closely with Jung for more than 25 years, described four steps of active imagination. These are an expansion on Jung’s two steps, simply put: allow the unconscious surface and then come to terms with it. Von Franz’s steps flesh these out and share some processes in common with Focusing.
Step one is to empty the mind, which is like clearing a space, although in active imagination the client is invited to go into a deeper meditative state than when one does when clearing a space. In step two, the image is sought, focused on, and objectified in some form. Images can come from a feeling, life situation, or dream image, as well as from a felt sense. Von Franz (1978) identified two common mistakes at this stage: to ‘fix’ the image so nothing further happens, or let the fantasy run wild so it changes too quickly to truly engage with.
The third step is to give inner images and fantasies form in a concrete and material way, such as inner dialogue, painting, sculpting, movement, or poetry. There is some debate about whether to use a medium in which one is competent or not: the unconscious can express itself through mistakes, but we cannot be nuanced in a medium in which we are clumsy.
Von Franz (1978) said the main point of making the imaginal concrete in some way is to engage the body in the work. In this way, even if the client is moving through a series of gestures or painting a picture rather than quietly sitting and sensing inside, there is something happening that is similar to Focusing; there is an ongoing dialogue with an inner felt sense that feels meaningful and moving.
The fourth step is what von Franz (1978) calls the ethical confrontation with the preceding steps. In Jungian terms, one’s ego needs to come to terms with the imaginal. One must “have it out” with the unconscious (Cwik, 1997, p. 152). In other words, one should allow oneself to be affected by the image, and as well, possibly make some impact on the image itself by interacting with it. The Focusing process is useful here as the engagement is very similar to the way one would engage with a felt sense. Finally, one has to apply what has been discovered to ordinary life, to live out what seems to be called for by the interaction with the image.
http://www.shrinkrapradio.com/286.pdf
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Okay. Great. Well I hope that some of your readers find some of this helpful for their own practice. To start with the activated imagination probably began when first people stared into fire or gazed into reflective ponds and the faculties of the imagination awakened. And the process of using active imagination, as Jung honed it, it’s the process of sitting still with the dialogue with the unconscious and sitting still with what’s outside of ego awareness. And it helps stretch the encapsulate d ego, realign it with a source of life — energy that flows in the psyche, through images, through self experiences, sometimes energetics — that realigns life and brings more energy. It also is a confrontation, of course, with whatever arises. In terms of th e history of working with the imaginal of the alchemis, of course, have this phenomenon happening. They’d be gazing into their vessels and learning the arts and science of transformations as doorways to the imagination were peeked and opened in the proce ss. And they’d write down their perceptions and even more importantly they drew these emblems of the mysteries that they were seeing. And they used these emblems among themselves, sort of like a trade secret, to portray and hold these alchemical changes that they were both witnessing in psyche and matter and also were experiencing deeply in themselves and affected by the work they were doing. When Jung landed with alchemy, he saw that he found home; because, he saw that the alchemists were doing thi s practice of active imagination
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Aureus
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In the the first times i started taking shrooms, i also didnt have any closed eyes visuals. I only started having visuals after my 4th trip.
Edited by Aureus (10/27/15 11:26 PM)
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: Aureus]
#22444749 - 10/28/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I only get cev on at least 4 hits of L my friend took 7 hits and only got oev maybe you need more maybe its just you, thats acid though idk bout shrooms
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: Psyche delics]
#22445012 - 10/28/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Taking shrooms with lemon is CEV garanteed, it will hit you harder than ayahuasca.
Edited by Aureus (10/28/15 01:58 PM)
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hobowizard
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: Aureus]
#22445171 - 10/28/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Concentrate, meditate and you'll see.
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All u guys are wrong. Its Weak genetics.
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I always get many open eye Visuals but hardly any closed eye Visuals. Why is this and is there something I can do about it?
CEV should be possible even on fairly mild doses. With stronger doses they tend to force themselves on you, but with lower doses and during the onset they can be more subtle.
Firstly, you need to keep your eyes closed for a little while and concentrate as though you are watching the back of your eyelids. The first signs of CEV I get are faint geometric layouts like a grid of dull points of light, stars or some other pattern, followed gradually by random scenes, that start off faint and grow more colorful and vibrant, before switching to more classic psychedelic moving, organic geometric patterns.
During the onset of the trip, sometimes these CEV fade in and out before they get established, and I have to close my eyes, sit back and relax before images start forming.
It does help if you can let your mind relax. If I sit with closed eyes I sometimes feel a kind of drowsiness as the trip washes over me, it's a similar feeling to falling asleep but it takes me inside my CEV, almost a bit like dreaming while awake.
There's also a sensation that comes over me during the onset where if I relax my mind, I feel a kind of "rushing" sensation or a sense of pressure, and if I don't fight it I get a sudden rush of vibrant CEV.
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Concentrate, meditate and you'll see.
I'm not really any good at meditation while sober, but I think some of what I'm talking about above (relaxing your mind) is really a form of meditation. So I guess the advice is to concentrate on your visual field with your eyes closed but relax your mind (meditate) to let the visuals "flow in" seemingly from outside.
If you get good OEV then presumably it's not due to the dose as such, but a higher dose might "force" some CEV out of the woodwork. Once you get them I suspect you might find it easier to see them spontaneously appear on future trips.
I see from a recent post that you have harvested some PE....maybe that might give a kick to the visuals
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SnowDaze
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: Leviticus969]
#22465725 - 11/02/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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6Silent9Knight6 said: All u guys are wrong. Its Weak genetics.
Every time he trips?
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: SnowDaze]
#22465786 - 11/02/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stop looking and see...
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: Aureus]
#22465877 - 11/02/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aureus said: Taking shrooms with lemon is CEV garanteed, it will hit you harder than ayahuasca.
....uh...no it wont...
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22465991 - 11/02/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can not force psychedelics to be predictable.. I am not sure where these solutions for "guaranteed" visuals are coming from as psychs by definition cannot be predicted therefore can not be influenced.
Edit: Other than the set and setting, that however will not affect visuals.
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: Jeff Vader]
#22466110 - 11/02/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If anything, consider yourself kinda lucky! My CEVs always seem to be pretty unsettling. I always see nasty faces and it always makes me wonder: why is my mind showing me these things and not happy images/patterns? I wish I had no CEVs tbh.
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: 3Beatles9]
#22471805 - 11/03/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What do these faces look like? I also see a lot of creepy aliens staring at me. When they stare, they kind of lean their bodies forward tilting their heads, almost like they're curious about what they're seeing.



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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: Aureus]
#22472455 - 11/03/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm the oposit. All cev no oev. Here's how I get cev, oev and auditory.
- buy bag lemons
- Grind 4g shrooms
- Soak shroom dust in lemon juice 45 mins as you stir them ocastionally
- Eat dust and lemon juice don't be a pussy
If that doesn't work then you might be souless.
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: Treebux]
#22473732 - 11/03/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Add L....
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22473764 - 11/03/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Try scrunching your eyes together tight or rubbing your eyes while they are closed while tripping. This usually changes up and intensifys the patterns for me.
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Re: I get nice open eye visuals but no CEVs? [Re: FeedyouHead]
#22474965 - 11/04/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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FeedyouHead said: Try scrunching your eyes together tight or rubbing your eyes while they are closed while tripping. This usually changes up and intensifys the patterns for me.
Eye phosphenes?
I used to do this as a 100% sober child bored at night to see the cool patterns, never got any meaning from it though.
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