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anybody here drive a stick shift?
#22421564 - 10/23/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anybody drive a stick shift here? Do you down shift or coast to a light ? And I heard coasting while clutch is in is bad for your tranny
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: KamelToeRodeo]
#22421583 - 10/23/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I downshift if I'm trying to be cool (which sometimes I try to be cool in my cool car.) It's really dependent on the scenario though... If you're in 4th and you're slowing to a stop, coasting doesn't make sense and you gotta downshift. I never go lower than 2nd, and 2nd always seems to have strong engine braking. I do try and maintain a safe distance (fuck tailgaters and riding as a passenger in one's car) so 3rd in my little cool car is enough to not have to use the brakes unless you're coming to a stop or close to one. Try not to use your pedal until you have to (i.e. holding clutch in while waiting at a light) which would wear out your clutch master/slave cylinders faster and your throwout bearing, and pressure plate (presumably since these are all connected to that clutch pedal.) Another thing too, which is a common misconception and semi-related: don't coast down a hill in neutral to try to save gas. You're actually using gas just to keep the engine idling whereas if you're in gear, the engine rotates by itself without putting any fuel in.
Another thing: the gears I mentioned may be different for your car but in general, if you're driving a 5-speed with a 4-6 cylinder car, gear ratios are pretty similar and I'd engine brake or coast in 3rd gear, to 2nd gear. Some cars have a short ratio diff, though, for example and the engine braking in these will be more apparent in a higher gear.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: KamelToeRodeo]
#22421653 - 10/23/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stick shift all my life, and I downshift. I also skip gears a lot now that I'm getting old and lazy.  In fact, I've been meaning to make a thread about 'Gear Skippers'.
I often go from 1st to 3rd (city), or 2nd to 4th (country roads), even 3rd to 5th for highway driving.
My VW Jetta has pretty decent gear range...
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: vinsue]
#22421675 - 10/23/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Depends on the situation. I have a coasting tendency but I also downshift to second (or third) if I think the light is going to turn green. I dont think coasting is an issue as long as you (engine) brake first. The problem I think is when you are still reving and you suddenly engage the clutchpedal you get a bit of a jolt (fast increase in revs) through the whole system.
All my vehicles have been stick shifters
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#22421692 - 10/23/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Soon as i see im not gonna make a light i coast in neutral.
If i need to stop in a hurry i downshift and use my engine to help slow down.
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When I drove stick, I'd just hold in the clutch and brake to a stop.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: KamelToeRodeo]
#22421717 - 10/23/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I downshift 90% of the time. It's more wear on the clutch and tranny, and brakes are cheaper. Driving a stick is an active experience. I like to feel more a part of the car.
A mechanic once told me that holding the clutch pedal in when you don't need to is putting unnecessary wear on the clutch. So I try not to sit there holding it. Just put it in neutral. He also said that even resting your hand on the shift knob wears the clutch.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: badchad]
#22421719 - 10/23/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: The problem I think is when you are still reving and you suddenly engage the clutchpedal you get a bit of a jolt (fast increase in revs) through the whole system.
You can blip the throttle with the clutch in to ease the transition.
My cars are all automatic now, but i've owned manuals before. I used to do either or depending on my temperament at the moment. If you go through brakes often it might be wise to start engine braking more though. If you go through clutch discs, it might be wise to use the brakes more. Keeping the car in gear, clutch disengaged, can wear out the t/o bearing quicker, but i used to do it from time to time and never ran into any issues.
I miss driving manual, but i'm too lazy to do it every day. It's nice to have a manual weekend car though.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: lavod]
#22421883 - 10/23/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've only driven stick once in my life. I feel vastly inexperienced
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Hippocampus]
#22421925 - 10/23/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hippocampus said: A mechanic once told me that holding the clutch pedal in when you don't need to is putting unnecessary wear on the clutch.
Your mechanic is an idiot. When you press the pedal the clutch isn't 'wearing' as it's disengaged. It does however, have a effect on your clutch throwout bearing.
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He also said that even resting your hand on the shift knob wears the clutch.
Your mechanic is an idiot. I recommend finding someone that knows what he's talking about.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22421940 - 10/23/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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isn't the tranny hot tho, so when u push the clutch in, the gears arn't turning, which means the tranny isn't cooling, which scorches the gears n stuff and changes the metal temper/hardness
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22421949 - 10/23/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I doubt you could sit there long enough to have that kind of effect.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Hippocampus]
#22422014 - 10/23/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've driven stick my whole life. I have a little jeep that's standard at the moment
Lots of misconceptions, even in this thread, about stick shift.
Downshifting is harder on your tranny. It also makes you use your clutch more. Clutches have a long long life as long as you aren't burning them out with terrible shifting skills, so it's not that big of a worry
"Coasting" makes you use your brakes more.
Down shifting and letting the engine slow you down is very effective, especially in winter conditions
So unless the conditions call for it, I often brake to a stop while city driving with my clutch pushed in. Id rather wear out my brakes instead of wearing out the engine/tranny
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22422038 - 10/23/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I throw it in neutral and coast
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: blackhawk]
#22422045 - 10/23/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so what do u do when youv'e clutched, or thrown in neutral either one, and you've coasted or braked, but then suddenly you need to speed up really quick? do u have trouble finding the right gear and stuff like that? i just imagine stalling the engine out or a huge jolt
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22422057 - 10/23/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Unless you are a crappy driver, the difference in the life span of your clutch/brakes is so minimal as to be a comical concern.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22422065 - 10/23/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why would u have trouble finding a gear?
I mean, it's not a set in stone thing, but generally when I'm coming to a stop sign or a light, clutch is in, my foot on brake, and as I approach my full stop, I've already chosen 1st or 2nd and it's as simple as letting clutch out and accelerating when I'm ready to do so
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22422067 - 10/23/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know what emergency situation I would be in where I had to speed up really quick, but I just plan ahead a second, rev match, and put it in the desired gear. I never really have trouble finding the gear
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22422090 - 10/23/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Masked said: Why would u have trouble finding a gear?
I mean, it's not a set in stone thing, but generally when I'm coming to a stop sign or a light, clutch is in, my foot on brake, and as I approach my full stop, I've already chosen 1st or 2nd and it's as simple as letting clutch out and accelerating when I'm ready to do so
because normally you go off feel and your going 1 gear up or 1 gear down. after you coasted it might be 2 or 3 gear different, i mean your coming out of nowhere basically, sure you can check your speed n shit but im saying in the moment its gunna throw u off because u normally arnt thinking about that, your just listening to rev's 99% of the time
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: ohhimark]
#22422092 - 10/23/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ohhimark said: I downshift if I'm trying to be cool (which sometimes I try to be cool in my cool car.) It's really dependent on the scenario though... If you're in 4th and you're slowing to a stop, coasting doesn't make sense and you gotta downshift. I never go lower than 2nd, and 2nd always seems to have strong engine braking. I do try and maintain a safe distance (fuck tailgaters and riding as a passenger in one's car) so 3rd in my little cool car is enough to not have to use the brakes unless you're coming to a stop or close to one. Try not to use your pedal until you have to (i.e. holding clutch in while waiting at a light) which would wear out your clutch master/slave cylinders faster and your throwout bearing, and pressure plate (presumably since these are all connected to that clutch pedal.) Another thing too, which is a common misconception and semi-related: don't coast down a hill in neutral to try to save gas. You're actually using gas just to keep the engine idling whereas if you're in gear, the engine rotates by itself without putting any fuel in.
Another thing: the gears I mentioned may be different for your car but in general, if you're driving a 5-speed with a 4-6 cylinder car, gear ratios are pretty similar and I'd engine brake or coast in 3rd gear, to 2nd gear. Some cars have a short ratio diff, though, for example and the engine braking in these will be more apparent in a higher gear.
what cool car do you have?
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: spirit_shadow]
#22422147 - 10/23/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's a Yugo.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22422152 - 10/23/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's silly man. There is 5 or 6 gears. Anyone who can't instincively know what gear they should be in is an amateur 
We aren't building rockets here. Lol
All I know is that I try to use my brakes more than my engine. Brake pads are cheap
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22422262 - 10/23/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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3 of my 4 vehicals are manual and the one that isn't is my straight line car, but it's also ratchet shift so I still shift it to an extent. You really can't beat an auto for straight line speed.
I only downshift if the speed limit drops to where I need to. Otherwise I just put it in neutral and coast...less revs less gas.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Greenfish] 1
#22422298 - 10/23/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you want to be really cool, you should shift gears without touching the clutch. If you match the engine speed to the wheel speed, you can slip out of gear and into another without disengaging the engine from the wheels by pressing the clutch.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: koods]
#22422412 - 10/23/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a cool thing to do on a motorcycle to accelerate faster
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Hippocampus] 1
#22422645 - 10/23/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think people who regularly drive a stick have trouble finding the right gear I dont even have to think about it.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#22422741 - 10/23/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My car has an auto stick shift option and everytime i tried using it It's been a disaster. Like no matter when i time it shifting makes such a drastic change in my speed it seems useless to me.
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I have a stick. I downshift to typically third. I don't like doing it lower, I could go to 2nd, but my first and second gears have trouble engaging sometimes so I stay out of 2nd more.
You just have to know when to shift. If you aren't familiar with the car, pay attention to the tach. Economically good shifts are before 3k RPM. You get a feel for it and then you just can feel when to shift by how the car is feeling and sounding. Anybody who does it regularly won't even think about it.
And auto's are boring. You just do nothing the whole time, I could take a nap.
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#22423087 - 10/23/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have 2.73 rear gears in my car, so I gotta downshift to 2nd if I'm going under 18mph, otherwise I'm just lugging the shit out my car in 3rd lol
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: blackhawk]
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I've never been able to properly drive a stick shift
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22423328 - 10/23/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just throw it in neutral and use the brakes. I think someone told me awhile ago that downshifting into second or first is not good for the car, and frankly it's just more work.
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makaveli8x8 said: so what do u do when youv'e clutched, or thrown in neutral either one, and you've coasted or braked, but then suddenly you need to speed up really quick? do u have trouble finding the right gear and stuff like that? i just imagine stalling the engine out or a huge jolt
I... put it in gear? I'm not sure I understand the question.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: KamelToeRodeo]
#22423355 - 10/23/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been driving stick-shift ever since I got my license. I frequently downshift when I am slowing down. I've never had to replace brakes in 20 years of driving. I've never had to replace the clutch either.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22423377 - 10/23/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You've NEVER replaced your brakes?
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: jewunit]
#22423381 - 10/23/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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ever since I got my license
So you have a whopping 5 years, 8 tops, of experience behind a wheel? 
Downshifting makes your engine do a large percentage of the work. Not that there's anything wrong with that of course. Especially in today's world. Vehicles are a disposable industry damn near anyway. But long long term, wearing brake pads is better than using the engine to slow down
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said: I just throw it in neutral and use the brakes. I think someone told me awhile ago that downshifting into second or first is not good for the car, and frankly it's just more work.
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makaveli8x8 said: so what do u do when youv'e clutched, or thrown in neutral either one, and you've coasted or braked, but then suddenly you need to speed up really quick? do u have trouble finding the right gear and stuff like that? i just imagine stalling the engine out or a huge jolt
I... put it in gear? I'm not sure I understand the question.
I think he means do you have trouble deciding which gear to put it back into if you're slowing in neutral but need to speed up again.
Depends car to car obviously since you figure out how well it accelerates and at what gear/speeds.
In my car I'd probably put it into third if I was going 20,25+ up to probably around 35-40 then I'd hit 4th. Lower than 20 I'd go into second. I never use first unless I'm starting from a stop.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423417 - 10/23/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's more fuel efficient to decelerate in gear, with brakes or not. For most modern cars if the transmission is engaged and going over around 1500 rpm and the throttle is 100% closed they perform fuel shut off. Otherwise you're idling which is not very fuel efficient.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: The Moose]
#22423430 - 10/23/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is poppycock
You save gas downshifting less. The difference is negligible anyway, but still
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
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ever since I got my license
So you have a whopping 5 years, 8 tops, of experience behind a wheel? 
Downshifting makes your engine do a large percentage of the work. Not that there's anything wrong with that of course. Especially in today's world. Vehicles are a disposable industry damn near anyway. But long long term, wearing brake pads is better than using the engine to slow down
Nah, its been 20 years and 7 cars. I've heard that engine breaking causes more wear and tear. But, I've driven cars to well over 200k miles and never had to replace the clutch or transmission. I've always bought used cars too. Now granted, I haven't ever changed breaks, but my last car was a Subaru, that probably needed new brakes. But, I was able to trade it in for my current car.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22423467 - 10/23/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so basically everytime you started to hear a squeeking noise you traded your car in
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22423487 - 10/23/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol well don't I feel like a horses patoot 
You are above the demographic here and caught me on the
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423503 - 10/23/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe I'm the one on the . I think I should go check my breaks.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22423541 - 10/23/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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pads and even rotors are sooo easy to change
If you let them squeel long enough you will wear down the squealer and then it turns into a lovely grinding sound when you hit the brakes lol
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423553 - 10/23/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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if your really hardcore and live somewhere that dumps thousands of pounds of salt on the road each winter, your brake lines go before your brake pads, thats always fun
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22423565 - 10/23/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's not really true. I live in an area that salts like a mofo and it's winter damn near from October to May. Lol
Never had brake lines go yet
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423588 - 10/23/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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My little 6 speed
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423596 - 10/23/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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happened to me, twice in 2 years, first time was the left brake line, next time the other went. First happened when i was parked at an autozone and he put a meter on it, he typed some code in and it floored the break peddle and the line burst. second time i parked at mcdonalds, turned the car off, when i turned it back gone the breaks were gone. luckly all this shit happened parked, id prolly be dead or killed someone if it happened while i was driving
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22423610 - 10/23/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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also wasn't much longer and there was a recall for the tank straps for trucks in harsh winter climates for my model/year. took it in, when they pulled the straps off it was so rusted that it took part of the tank with the strap, dumped the gas all over their garage/shop, apparently that was a big ordeal for them, i ended up getting a free gas tank out of it as well. so u might think u get alot of salt but maybe u don't, i live on a hill ontop of living in harsh weather so they dump extra so people don't kill themselves going up and down it
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423623 - 10/23/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Masked said: That is poppycock
You save gas downshifting less. The difference is negligible anyway, but still
I'm not saying downshifting saves you more gas, it saves your brakes.
But leaving the car in gear while you're decelerating saves gas because of fuel shut off. You don't really need to downshift that much, just keep RPMs over 1500 or so.
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This is why I won't shift into neutral until I need to. It's not great amounts of fuel, but it does help.
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I've replicated these conditions with instrumented cars, both with scan tools and with an oscilloscope, measuring the leads leading into the fuel injectors. The signal controlling the injector is a 12-volt square wave. It's pulse-width-modulated, varying from 5 percent or so at idle to around 80 percent or so at full throttle. The higher the percentage of on time to off time, the more fuel. There's one on pulse for every cylinder firing, so the consumption also varies with engine speed (rpm). All vehicles show a short pulse width at idle, regardless of whether they're sitting in traffic at a red light or coasting downhill—at idle—in neutral. (Actually, they use a fraction more fuel sitting in drive at a traffic light, because of the drag in the torque converter, but I digress).
Almost all vehicles show a pulse width of zero when coasting while in gear. Zero, as in there is no fuel injected at all. Yes, the engine is turning over, the pistons are going up and down, the water pump, alternator and a/c compressor are working, so technically you can say the engine is running, sort of. But it's not consuming any fuel. And that goes for automatic or manuals.
Okay, eventually, at the bottom of the hill or as you creep up to the traffic light, the engine finally will slow to idle rpm—at which point the fuel injection will wake up and start adding fuel to keep the engine from stalling. That usually starts at around 1000 rpm, and if you pay attention, you can sense when it's happening as the engine will rev up slightly. And that's when the scan tool or oscilloscope will show injector dwell rise from 0 to 5 to 10 percent. So you're actually wasting gas by putting your car into neutral.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a5977/coasting-in-neutral-fuel-economy/
Also see, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy-efficient_driving#Coasting_or_gliding
That's the concept I was talking about.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22423624 - 10/23/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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they dump so much shit on our roads in that come spring time they have these little sweeper car things go around collecting it all up off the roads
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: The Moose]
#22423639 - 10/23/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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it saves your brakes
Yep for sure. A sentiment I shared earlier 
Interesting stuff Tho about using less gas in those scenarios than at an idle. I'll have to remember that
My jeep is a fucking pig on gas lol
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423660 - 10/23/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Masked said: My jeep is a fucking pig on gas lol
Yea I couldn't afford to fill one of those monsters up. They go to town haha.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: The Moose]
#22423745 - 10/23/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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my 4 banger 5 speed jeep. not all jeeps are bad on gas. i get 23city 29highway.
always drove straight drive since i could drive. pondered about coasting in or out of gear and how it affects fuel economy for a long time. good info.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: evileye001]
#22423755 - 10/23/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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4 banger jeep
Patriots and the like aren't real jeeps
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423787 - 10/23/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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got to say i wish i had the power of the 6 or 8 model. but at least i dont have to break the bank riding around town so its worth it!
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: evileye001]
#22423792 - 10/23/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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6 speed civic si
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22423831 - 10/23/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I learned on a stick shift... an airplane tug, out of all things. My pops is a pilot and the only way for me to get around the airport as a kid was to either endure car rides with him or learn how to drive his tug. Taught me how to do tings right, though because the damn thing was picky and the clutch would stick causing it to stall. I can't tell you how many times I stalled at the wrong time.... nothing like getting yelled at by the old man for him getting a call from the tower after I had locked it up while crossing the runway.
So once I turned 15 and started driving, driving any other manual car was a breeze. My first car was stick. I mastered downshifting because we have a lot of canyons where I grew up and it isn't safe otherwise. I loved the fuel economy of driving stick, but as I started a commute... it became labor intensive. Now I'm lazy as fuck. Half the time, I don't even remember the drive to or from work.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Kalistis]
#22423850 - 10/23/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You want to talk fuel economy... My Ford Fusion Energi is a beast. When I just commute to and from work which is 20 miles round trip, I don't use gas at all. in fact, the first 8 months I had the car I didn't put gas in it. LOL. When I do drive it beyond it's plug-in life of 27 miles, I get 87 miles per gallon. It's insane. There are people that have figured out how to use the whole kenetic energy of the car to get much much more per gallon. I just don't have the time or energy for that shit. I just want to drive my car.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Kalistis]
#22423859 - 10/23/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kalistis said: ...I mastered downshifting because we have a lot of canyons where I grew up...
This is a good point. I live in a mountainous region. When I'm driving a curvy road down a mountain, I prefer it to be a stick so that I can downshift. If you are braking the whole way down a mountain pass, you'll overheat your brakes. So many times, I've been behind a car that is braking down hill and you can smell the breaks.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Kalistis]
#22424252 - 10/23/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not many women nowadays that I know that can drive stick

Yeah I do as well. Plus it's just plain old fun
I had a lot of fun with my jeep off road 4x4ing with the top off this summer!
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Masked]
#22425712 - 10/24/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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In mountainous areas of Europe there are signs by the road telling you to engine brake on the (looong) way down
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#22426046 - 10/24/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, brakes can overheat in that scenario so it's best to engine brake. For most people though, it's no big. Engine braking does save the brakes, but will wear the clutch a bit more(not much though- proceeding from a stop is hardest on a clutch) and use a bit more fuel. Brake pads/shoes are cheap and rotors should last a long time(unless you have a ford). I think the determining factor is how well your car sounds. If it sounds good, please engine brake. If it sounds like a tercel with an exhaust leak or an e46 m3, please save us the racket.
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Re: anybody here drive a stick shift? [Re: lavod]
#22426060 - 10/24/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I drive a 88 civic hatch with straight pipes,whistle tips, and tons of monster stickers. I try to engine brake as much as possible especially when a lot of people are standing around, it makes me look cool. It's an auto but it has the 1,2,3,D selection I use for accellerating and deaccellerating I try to use my brakes as little as possible.
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#22426147 - 10/24/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i drive a 88 civic with tons of monster stickers
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it makes me look cool
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