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usulpsychonaut


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An Arab sees no future so suicidal-ly provokes NATO. A Black American suicidal-ly provokes police officers. Historically white folks would engage in suicidal war with authorities. Now days white folks kill a few innocent and insignificant civilians. Democracy is to blame. The natural order is to vote with bullets, but why don't they target the damned politicians? As far as I can tell everything is in order apart from the targets.
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usulpsychonaut said: An Arab sees no future so suicidal-ly provokes NATO. A Black American suicidal-ly provokes police officers. Historically white folks would engage in suicidal war with authorities. Now days white folks kill a few innocent and insignificant civilians. Democracy is to blame. The natural order is to vote with bullets, but why don't they target the damned politicians? As far as I can tell everything is in order apart from the targets.
Politicians are very difficult to track down and isolate.
Also, Politicians work very hard to distance themselves from the problems they create-How can you hold these fuckers accountable when they run the gov?. Because of this lack of accountability-the masses will never know the countless problems made by the political class- while the political class blames it on business owners. - and therefore the sheeple will never attack their evil masters.
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paperbackwriter
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And why don't you attack the evil masters burgerbrain? Or are you just another sheeple?
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paperbackwriter said: And why don't you attack the evil masters burgerbrain? Or are you just another sheeple?
Are you advocating violent revolution?
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I'm calling burgerbrain on his internet tough guy bullshit.
Obviously I'm not advocating that a kid that lives in his mom's basement actually buy a gun and start killing politicians.
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paperbackwriter said: And why don't you attack the evil masters burgerbrain? Or are you just another sheeple?
I've got too much to lose. Besides you can attack in different ways- such as spreading the light of truth through the sea of libtard lies.
No, I'm not a sheeperson because I'm not a collectivist moron government worshipper and I have knowledge that the political class is doing this harm to people.
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So only liberal politicians are evil? There's no conservtard lies?
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paperbackwriter said: So only liberal politicians are evil? There's no conservtard lies?
That's correct, the only evil conservatives are those who use conservatism to get elected, and then act like liberals, so they're not conservative at all, just more leftist, statist retards
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Haha.. OK.
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paperbackwriter said: So only liberal politicians are evil? There's no conservtard lies?
That's correct, the only evil conservatives are those who use conservatism to get elected, and then act like liberals, so they're not conservative at all, just more leftist, statist retards
Have you considered the following basic line of reasoning:
- "liberal policies" require higher taxes and have ideas that will replace entire industries (like single payer) - the people who's taxes will be most certainly raised first are the rich - the rich buy our politicians to do their bidding
Knowing all that, and we do, don't you think it's more reasonable that the opposite of what you claim is more true? That liberals get elected and then govern like conservatives? Look at Clinton and Obama, the last two elected "liberals." They both continue feeding the defense contractors, both pushing dogshit trade deals, neither with any real reform.
I guess the simple point is why the hell would the people who buy our politicians ever want to put someone in office who's gonna raise their taxes, regulate their industry, or do away with it altogether, spend more federal dollars on the poor, etc?
Makes zero sense. And this is also why conservatives are constantly being told they vote against their interests. The rich, super rich, and corporations (banks, oil, media, healthcare) would be doing the exact same by funding liberal campaigns.
Bernie is a liberal. Hillary isn't. There's a reason why one of them is getting snubbed by the media and has no corporate money and the other is the exact opposite. Hint: it's because not all Democrats are liberals, very few in fact.
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The Ecstatic said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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paperbackwriter said: So only liberal politicians are evil? There's no conservtard lies?
That's correct, the only evil conservatives are those who use conservatism to get elected, and then act like liberals, so they're not conservative at all, just more leftist, statist retards
Have you considered the following basic line of reasoning:
- "liberal policies" require higher taxes and have ideas that will replace entire industries (like single payer) - the people who's taxes will be most certainly raised first are the rich - the rich buy our politicians to do their bidding
Knowing all that, and we do, don't you think it's more reasonable that the opposite of what you claim is more true? That liberals get elected and then govern like conservatives? Look at Clinton and Obama, the last two elected "liberals." They both continue feeding the defense contractors, both pushing dogshit trade deals, neither with any real reform.
I guess the simple point is why the hell would the people who buy our politicians ever want to put someone in office who's gonna raise their taxes, regulate their industry, or do away with it altogether, spend more federal dollars on the poor, etc?
Makes zero sense. And this is also why conservatives are constantly being told they vote against their interests. The rich, super rich, and corporations (banks, oil, media, healthcare) would be doing the exact same by funding liberal campaigns.
Bernie is a liberal. Hillary isn't. There's a reason why one of them is getting snubbed by the media and has no corporate money and the other is the exact opposite. Hint: it's because not all Democrats are liberals, very few in fact.
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Very few republican are conservatives, that's a fact, no, Clinton and Obama do govern like liberals, so did bush, that's the problem, if you actually look at conservative principals, you would see that
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Conservative principals like what?
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Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.
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http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/
That's one of the best explanations I've found that describes it more eloquently than I would, lol
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Fair enough, I can admit that conservatives pick and choose which of those ideals to maintain, and when, and that liberals do the same thing.
But here's the difference: liberal ideas are applied the world over successfully, and most conservative principals aren't. And if they are, they fail.
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The Ecstatic said: Fair enough, I can admit that conservatives pick and choose which of those ideals to maintain, and when, and that liberals do the same thing.
But here's the difference: liberal ideas are applied the world over successfully, and most conservative principals aren't. And if they are, they fail.
That's a pretty broad statement, don't forget conservative ideals made America the superpower it is today, so there's that
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Not interested in an ideological argument, but the U.S. became a superpower when FDR and Truman were running the country.
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The Ecstatic said: Fair enough, I can admit that conservatives pick and choose which of those ideals to maintain, and when, and that liberals do the same thing.
But here's the difference: liberal ideas are applied the world over successfully, and most conservative principals aren't. And if they are, they fail.
That's a pretty broad statement, don't forget conservative ideals made America the superpower it is today, so there's that
I would disagree completely, but am willing to admit there's room for that debate.
However, my point still stands. There are no major nations today that are succeeding by any first world standard because of their conservative ideals, whether that be economically or socially. Politically we do see success of parties that are labelled in their respective nations as conservative, but are still farther left than American Democrats are.
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The Ecstatic said: Fair enough, I can admit that conservatives pick and choose which of those ideals to maintain, and when, and that liberals do the same thing.
But here's the difference: liberal ideas are applied the world over successfully, and most conservative principals aren't. And if they are, they fail.
That's a pretty broad statement, don't forget conservative ideals made America the superpower it is today, so there's that
I would disagree completely, but am willing to admit there's room for that debate.
However, my point still stands. There are no major nations today that are succeeding by any first world standard because of their conservative ideals, whether that be economically or socially. Politically we do see success of parties that are labelled in their respective nations as conservative, but are still farther left than American Democrats are.
Conservative ideals built this country, gave the middle class more power over their lives, and improved everyone's standard of living.
FDR and Truman were the beginning of the end, it takes a long time to unravel what the Patriots and hard workers of America built
https://mises.org/library/transformation-american-economy-1865-1914
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Bam! Libertarian Thinktank proves it all!
And yeah man, what happened to the good old days of company scrip and kids working instead of going to school? Fuck man, those were the days!
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hostileuniverse said: Conservative ideals built this country, gave the middle class more power over their lives, and improved everyone's standard of living.
FDR and Truman were the beginning of the end, it takes a long time to unravel what the Patriots and hard workers of America built
https://mises.org/library/transformation-american-economy-1865-1914
Boom! Thank you, I'm right, you're wrong, my arguments never have and NEVER will be broken!
Two bold statements without any supporting evidence (yours and mises).
Let's see what things look like when you introduce evidence:
Income:

Income enequality:

Income was going up for everyone until 1980, when it only went up for the rich. What happened in 1980? FDR and Truman???
Income inequality went way down in 1940 and then back up 1980. Who was leading in 1940? In 1980?
Mises.org is another site I'll write off as one that makes bogus claims they can't back up.
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Mises.org is one of the few bastions of conservative economic policy left.
And there's a reason for that.
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