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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421624 - 10/23/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Why are you even engaging him?

He is either legitimately borderline retarded, or one of the best trolls on the forum




As an artist, like a moth to a flame I am drawn to stupidity and or arguments, for there is a lot of humor and things I can incorporate in my art to be mined. Basically, I'm addicted to mining. So far makaveli is just providing me with dirt. No gems. YET.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22421629 - 10/23/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so im guessing there is some kind of issue you are having trying to wrap your head around what the word seperate means?  yes, it obviously means they have their own courts, their own mcdonalds, their own bathrooms, and their own guns.

u can even take it a step further and say seperate men from women.  the more seperate people are the less different they are.  if everyone around u is similar, u have alot less to fight about, which is why america has some of the most violence in the world because there are so many different people living here.  its simple logic, it would also fix our overpopulation problem.  then in 100 years take the walls down, everyone would have forgotten history and racism, and finally there would be real peace.  but such simple minds can't grasp such a genius plan because your bred with hatrid and want so badly for it to continue subconciously.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421640 - 10/23/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hell while we are at it let's just separate everyone. every person gets their own government, their own mcdonalds, their own courts, their own guns, their own piece of land. sounds peachy


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22421641 - 10/23/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So you separate people by race, or religion, then hair color, what about blood type, people will fight over that, too. Separate people by the sports team the like, and also by Stars Wars or Star Trek (What about the people who like Star Gate? You just want to change what people hate.

Your world views are unrealistic, bleak and dangerous to all and dangerous to the general sense of peace most people share.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22421645 - 10/23/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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because they arn't a women and they arn't a man.  By being a tranny they are saying they were born different than a man or a women.  They have man parts, but wish they were female, or have female desires....however u want to look at it.  They can choose to be identified as female, but they arn't genetically female, they arn't biologically female, they are different, which is cool and fine and all that jazz.  But they should then accept that they are different, and that it might make both women and men uncomfortable to have them in the bathroom together.  They want to be accepted as different, that means they need to accept what they are. ...




The idea behind transitioning is that they accept who they are, but may be having to undergo various processes for others to accept who they are.
Being identified and discriminated against as 'different' is exactly the issue that leads trans individuals to seek to be accepted as trans as well.  If they were already accepted for who they are, there would be no struggle involved.  Since that struggle is already involved, they have to seek additional acceptance for the process of transition.

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... They shouldn't be in a mens bathroom because those are who they are trying to attact right? and so just like women they shouldn't be in the same bathroom as men following current society culture.  ...




What makes you presume that a person's gender is directly tied to their sexuality?
What is your stance on homosexual men and women using the bathrooms of the genders they are trying to attract?

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... So but because they are different from women, they should also accept they shouldn't be in the girls room, they want the best of both worlds by trying to get into either of them, 'both' because they wanted accepted as 'different', and then they go and want accepted as being able to go into either of those rooms.  I get that you guys are hinging on the want to be female part, but unless their dick is chopped off im afraid your point is invalid.

if they have no penis, then in my book by all means go ahead and go to the female room




They want to be accepted as being able to go into the room of the gender they identify with.
The realization that people may more readily discriminate against them for doing so means needing to seek to be accepted in the other room instead.

While I am certain there are a lot of individuals that would love to be able to afford the entirety of their transition in one go, it leads me to ask -- where do you feel they should be while in the middle?


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22421648 - 10/23/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So you separate people by race, or religion, then hair color, what about blood type, people will fight over that, too. Separate people by the sports team the like, and also by Stars Wars or Star Trek (What about the people who like Star Gate? You just want to change what people hate.

Your world views are unrealistic, bleak and dangerous to all and dangerous to the general sense of peace most people share.




no its only unrealistic when you go crazy and start talking nonsense.  i said the more seperate people are the less they have to argue about, which is 100% correct.  But never did i said it was logical to break it down that far, i think this is a recurring problem you have apollo.  You have this deep mental issue where you have to put words into peoples mouths so u have something to argue about which boils down to your impotence in the ability to debate.  You should really spend less time playing with toys, and more time polishing your debate skills.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22421679 - 10/23/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

My point was that people will just change what they argue about. Separating people (which requires military and police force to do so) is something I consider unethical. You will not find a way to separate people that is peaceful.

You are question dodger, and often misinterpret what people are saying, without asking for clarification, like in this case here. I do like playing with toys, kinda like how I'm playing you.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #22421690 - 10/23/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no its very clear that people have different degree's of anger, you are comparing hair color to racism:cruelworld:  and separating people does not 'require' military or police anymore than any other law would, unless u consider all laws unethical?

and no i didn't misinterpret anything, you were trying to degrade my point by taking it to a ridiculous extreme and did so further by putting words into my mouth.  funny that you would then try to say its me misunderstanding people

im still waiting for u to make 1 good point


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22421696 - 10/23/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

maybe a good place to start would be telling me one other way to kill racism off for good that would actually work


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22421712 - 10/23/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

lol right, forcing people to separate definitely wouldn't necessitate the same level of military intervention that enforcing traffic tickets does. no siree.



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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: morrowasted]
    #22421723 - 10/23/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

why would it?  if your racist you finally don't have to worry about those dam people keeping u down in life.  if your not racist, you shouldn't give a rats ass anyway.  The only people that will care is the internet warriors like morrowasted who like to smash keyboards


a couple hundred years ago u might have had a point, wars were fought trying to do the opposite of what i suggest.  but here im talking about making everything equal which is what people want, so why would they ever fight it, there is no reason which is why it wouldn't happen


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22421732 - 10/23/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm from a multi cultural, multi ethnic family. And we get along fine. Maybe it's actually the people who are causing violence who should be blamed, and not the fact that it's because they look kinda different.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22421733 - 10/23/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Here is a picture of my gf. She is MTF and uses the woman's bathroom all the time. No one even notices. Hell she gets checked out a lot.



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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: Sade] * 1
    #22421743 - 10/23/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

She looks both masculine and feminine. No more than any other female tbh. Is she on T blockers?


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22421744 - 10/23/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They should make more bathrooms. I think five would work. cis male, cis female, trans male, trans female and one for undecided.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: Achillita]
    #22421746 - 10/23/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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She looks both masculine and feminine. No more than any other female tbh. Is she on T blockers?



Yes she is. It is really hard to loose the masculine features all together.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #22421766 - 10/23/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It's being made into an enormous deal here in houston. Signs everywhere for it



Yup. I don't see a big deal about the bathrooms. The thing is, she is also pushing for allowing TG to choose the changing room they want to use. The argument against is that sexual predators might pretend to be TG and, say, go into a locker room in a gym and look at a young girls changing.




They should probably just get rid of shared changing and shower areas altogether IMO. Even aside from the transgender issue, I think a lot of people would prefer to change and shower in a private area anyway.


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Re: Trans People in the Bathroom [Re: Achillita]
    #22421770 - 10/23/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm from a multi cultural, multi ethnic family. And we get along fine. Maybe it's actually the people who are causing violence who should be blamed, and not the fact that it's because they look kinda different.




i agree, but the problem is they are being trained from birth to be racist, they grow up racist in return obviously, and this in turn causes horrible ineractions with who they are racist against which reinforced their racism and in turn gets passed on again.

Seperation until we forget about racism and it stops getting taught to kids is really one of the very few ways of fixing it, and the only one thats been offered in this thread, and surely one won't be provided by those 'simple' minded folk which such strong opinions against it followed by attacks.

the only other option is to take children away from parents after a certain young age and remove parents from the equation so it can't be passed on, pick your poison


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