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OfflineSpectreOfCommunism
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Unknown Psilocybe ID
    #22419639 - 10/22/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Habitat:
Found beneath sign & next to rhododendron in mossy bark-dust

Gills:
brown

Stem:
thick/solid, bruising blue

Cap:
One Inch-ish, dark caramel-brown to brown, fading to tan-ish with age, bruising blue

Spore print color:
waiting on print, spore dust on some caps looked dark purple-brown to me

Bruising:
blue

Other information:
I saw these when they were little babies on a walk - I picked one, thinking they were cyanescens (they looked like little baby versions), but the cap was open way too early and I saw no sign of a veil - then an older dude walked up, guessing what I was doing, and he told me they weren't magic, to "take it from someone who's been there," but I still had a strong hunch that they were some type of psy. Came back today, saw them bruising blue and getting beat by the sun so I took them



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Found Species: Ps. Azurescens, Ps. Cyanescens, Ps. Baeocystis, Ps. Semilanceata, Pan. Cinctulus



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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #22419752 - 10/22/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They look like P. ovoidecystidiata


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: VedicSoma]
    #22419780 - 10/22/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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They look like P. ovoidecystidiata



I thought ovoids were bigger normally? Never found any, so I can't speak to it - does anyone think they could be baeo's?


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #22419800 - 10/22/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Compare to Psilocybe baeocystis


http://www.shroomery.org/12496/Psilocybe-baeocystis


I would add a word of patience with this collection. Take your time identifying them and studying them.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: The Lightning]
    #22419815 - 10/22/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Lightning said:
Compare to Psilocybe baeocystis


http://www.shroomery.org/12496/Psilocybe-baeocystis


I would add a word of patience with this collection. Take your time identifying them and studying them.



Thanks, that was my guess but the stems seemed rather short - I know that this cluster started growing a week ago after a day of rain, then about five days of hot sun before these last few blessed days of rain - perhaps these conditions stunted their growth?

Do you have any advice towards the ends of "identifying and studying them?"


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #22419865 - 10/22/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Make sure each one bruises blue; make sure you don't have any galerina mixed in.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #22419869 - 10/22/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks, that was my guess but the stems seemed rather short - I know that this cluster started growing a week ago after a day of rain, then about five days of hot sun before these last few blessed days of rain - perhaps these conditions stunted their growth?





The stipes are sometimes short. The weather coupled with a lack of canopy likely contributed to their appearance.


You can also see that the hygrophanous caps have become paler on many of the specimens, another attribute of drier mushrooms.


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Do you have any advice towards the ends of "identifying and studying them?"






1. Continue with the spore print process. The prints should be brown with a hint of purple under "honest" lighting.
2. Inspect each specimen for bluing. If there's any question about one or more of them, set those ones aside and re-photograph them, showing their honest attributes to the camera.
3. Hit up the right sites to compare your collection to. Here's a starting link: http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/observation_search?pattern=psilocybe+baeocystis
4. Anticipate more mushrooms from your patch to continue analyzing them. Harvesting them by slicing them just above the ground will help the mycelium reproduce.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: The Lightning]
    #22419921 - 10/22/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks very much - all are showing bluing, and spore prints are looking purple-brown, will post when complete

Ahhh, I'm happy - this is my first blue-bell find and it's nice to mix it up a little after all my cyan hunting at the coast


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Found Species: Ps. Azurescens, Ps. Cyanescens, Ps. Baeocystis, Ps. Semilanceata, Pan. Cinctulus



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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #22421247 - 10/23/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Am I the only one seeing the coniferous much surrounding it? That is interesting......

Actually...now I can't tell.


Edited by FryersQuest (10/23/15 01:49 AM)


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22423524 - 10/23/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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FryersQuest said:
Am I the only one seeing the coniferous much surrounding it? That is interesting......

Actually...now I can't tell.



Why would coniferous mulch be interesting?


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #22424614 - 10/23/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Because it sucks.....it is lacking in nutrients so mushrooms can never really thrive on it. Beauty bark is always coniferous I believe. Correct me if I am wrong.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22424619 - 10/23/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Uhh, wood lovers do just fine on some conifers.  Cyans are quite partial to Douglas-fir.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #22424653 - 10/23/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have any pictures? I was under the impression that coniferous was pretty much a waste of time.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22424926 - 10/23/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you have any pictures? I was under the impression that coniferous was pretty much a waste of time.



These were all growing in conifer chips (probably Douglas fir), this is the healthiest patch of cyanescens that I've ever seen in person.














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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22424946 - 10/23/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think you are both right.  In general cyanescens have been found on hardwood and deciduous chips like beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow. Most conifers are softwoods and cyanescens don't grow on them generally speaking, but Stamets has said that cyanescens like Douglas fir though and talks about it in Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms. Douglas fir is a softwood technically, but in reality it's much harder than some hardwoods like chestnut. So yes it seems like they like deciduous hard woods and douglas fir. A lot of chips in the PNW are douglas fir just because there are so many, at least here in oregon. I would be interested to see if they do on other conifers though outside of douglas fir, sometimes it's hard to tell the chips.



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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: Rebirtha]
    #22425066 - 10/23/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

in my short time of hunting with much success finally, i will agree and say i dont think conifer plays much role into preventing them from popping up, the first patch i found was in a chip bed with a few conifers in it.

and also maynard that patch is absolutely beautiful! and that cyan is almost the size of your hand!!! completely insane!!! thank you for sharing that

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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22438522 - 10/27/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well I guess I need to learn how to better differentiate between deciduous and coniferous mulch. I am sure I have come across Douglas Fir and thought it was deciduous. This is an element of my hunting game that I really would like to work on. The other is trying to figure out how to spot good soil mixes that have small pieces of chips in them. I feel like most people never look in soil but I have seen woodlovers growing out of it if it's the right kind of stuff.

That patch is.....insane.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: Rebirtha]
    #22438532 - 10/27/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I think you are both right.  In general cyanescens have been found on hardwood and deciduous chips like beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow. Most conifers are softwoods and cyanescens don't grow on them generally speaking, but Stamets has said that cyanescens like Douglas fir though and talks about it in Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms. Douglas fir is a softwood technically, but in reality it's much harder than some hardwoods like chestnut. So yes it seems like they like deciduous hard woods and douglas fir. A lot of chips in the PNW are douglas fir just because there are so many, at least here in oregon. I would be interested to see if they do on other conifers though outside of douglas fir, sometimes it's hard to tell the chips.






What are your methods for differentiating between harwoods and conifers? Any big giveaways that you look for? If I see any stringy pieces connected to chips I don't waste my time. Also if I see the classic beauty bark with striations I bail as well.


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Species Found: Gymnopilus Luteofolius ~ Panaeolus Cinctulus ~ Psilocybe Baeocystis ~ Psilocybe Cyanescens ~ Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa ~ Psilocybe Semilanceata ~ Psilocybe Stuntzii


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22438894 - 10/27/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Take your thumb nail and try to stick it into the wood chip. nail will sink right into conifer. Hardwood, not so easy. Just something that works for me. I also look for traces of leaves or needles in some situation. sometimes smell works to.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #22439160 - 10/27/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

In forestry we consider Douglas-fir a hardwood.  It's one of the hardest woods we have, and I'm trying to type this out without giggling.  Because of this it is in heavy demand internationally, and that's why almost all replantings in the PNW are Douglas-fir.  The best 1/3 of it grown here doesn't even see the domestic market, it immediately gets shipped over to Japan where they use it for exposed wood construction.  They even grow it in Europe and NZ now.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #22440161 - 10/27/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm glad this thread has strayed in this direction - does anyone have any tips on visually identifying hardwood mixes? Once I can touch the stuff, I can differentiate but it would be a huge time saver if there were visual cues I could look for while I'm driving around...


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
    #22440248 - 10/27/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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justanotherhuman said:
I'm glad this thread has strayed in this direction - does anyone have any tips on visually identifying hardwood mixes? Once I can touch the stuff, I can differentiate but it would be a huge time saver if there were visual cues I could look for while I'm driving around...




Color is a huge indicator for me. When the mulch appears reddish in hue I tend to stay away. Then on close inspection, I look for chunks of bark with the classic beauty bark striations. If I see any chunks of that I usually don't waste my time.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22443019 - 10/28/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Brownish grey/black when wet
Dirty off white when Dry
Chunky like a peice of chicken white meat torn off the breast


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #22444280 - 10/28/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Brownish grey/black when wet
Dirty off white when Dry
Chunky like a peice of chicken white meat torn off the breast



Very evocative, thank you


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #22446887 - 10/28/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Chunky like a peice of chicken white meat torn off the breast




:wonka: So true....so deliciously true.


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Re: Unknown Psilocybe ID [Re: FryersQuest]
    #22447446 - 10/29/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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randallsbook said:
Chunky like a peice of chicken white meat torn off the breast




:wonka: So true....so deliciously true.



Lol.


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