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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22437302 - 10/26/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This bacterial substrate is more alike to the OP picture.



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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22437332 - 10/26/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It was misted just before the pic, heavily I might add. Smells real good like fresh mushies...when it gets dry, it is actually fluffy


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: fourleaf033]
    #22437347 - 10/26/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, i'm telling ya.. some bacteria is odorless on the fruiting stage. I can't see a single mushroom growing on top of that white blobs. Why is that?


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22437493 - 10/26/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not that I don't believe you, because I really don't know. But from all the research I did, it would seem more like a mutation.

I guess only time can tell...


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: fourleaf033]
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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: fourleaf033]
    #22437529 - 10/26/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: fourleaf033]
    #22437641 - 10/26/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I never heard of a mutated mycelium. I've heard of mutated fruits in the sense of different morphology, etc. (fruits are mycelium..). What your picture shows and the other pictures, it appears to be inhibiting fruiting at the surface where the anomaly is, pretty much sound like a bacteria or contam that is growing at surface level. PE cubes would produce some kind of blobs but they don't look like what you have.

This is PE blobs.





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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22438478 - 10/27/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ok i saw the last link you posted and pay attention what this guy says to the op of that thread

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Thrill said:
Not really sure what the blobs are, they look like mutants, but in my experiences blob mutants are an off white/beige color (the color of a mushroom stem)






Is basically the color he is describing to the PE blobs on the last picture I showed you

So i think the op of that thread had also a contaminated substrate, these kind of white shiny looking contams are often easily mistaken by mycelium or "mutated mycelium" (that's a new one for me :lol:) Because is also white like mycelium.

Also the OP of that thread never posted pictures of the fruiting stage, most probably was a fail.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22438557 - 10/27/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Some of that white bacteria or whatever is called when it reach to the fruiting stage is really odorless.





Didn't know that.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22438659 - 10/27/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Dude that's bacteria.

But to clarify, the white stuff is not what the bacteria is.  The white shit is the mycelium's morphological response to the bacteria, which is why different bacteria produce different outward results such as overly thick or brittle aerial mycelium, white blobs,  or whatever it is you have there.  It's mycelium but it's angry confused upset mycelium that won't be fruiting, because bacteria.

Make more sense?


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22438735 - 10/27/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Except that rye cake looks like it's pinning pretty well.  I'd just roll with it.  No harm.  If you see it start to get any green, chuck it.

As for OP question:

As I understand it you have

1 Bag WBS

1 Bag Rye

1 Bag Compost

First off, you can't inoculate that compost with spore solution and expect a result.  It's a bulk substrate, low in nutrition.

Fruiting grain bags will yield way less than spawning that same grain to bulk, since the grain lacks the water to capacity to flush its nutritional load by a long shot.

Noc both grain bags.  If you can, just go grab a brick of coir from the pet shop for $3, hydrate with 4qt boiling water, and spawn the grains to that.

As others have said, if that compost is actually sterilized, you're going to need to spawn to it in a still air box/flow hood.  It will probably be pretty awkward in the airbox.  If it's pasteurized, than you're good to use it as a standard open air spawning bulk substrate.


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Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22438834 - 10/27/15 03:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Bacteria != trash. It just has a lower overall yield, and much easier to contam.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22438856 - 10/27/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Except that rye cake looks like it's pinning pretty well.  I'd just roll with it.  No harm.  If you see it start to get any green, chuck it.





I meant, there's no pins coming off the parts that are busy contending with the bacteria.  If there are any relatively unaffected areas those are the most likely to produce at that time.  But you won't see a pin shooting right out of a bacterial blob or anything.  The overall effect is, as was said, reduced yield.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22439009 - 10/27/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

lesson of the day, spawn your grain bags dont roll them in verm!


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22439406 - 10/27/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Dude that's bacteria.

But to clarify, the white stuff is not what the bacteria is.  The white shit is the mycelium's morphological response to the bacteria, which is why different bacteria produce different outward results such as overly thick or brittle aerial mycelium, white blobs,  or whatever it is you have there.  It's mycelium but it's angry confused upset mycelium that won't be fruiting, because bacteria.

Make more sense?




That's a very good explanation, I thought something like that was happening because the different morphological responses you mentioned. Different bacteria, different response. Which also explains why the blobs smell like healthy myc and not like bacteria.

I thought that because the blobs were inhibiting fruiting... the blobs were the actual bacteria and odorless, but your explanation makes more sense.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22441422 - 10/27/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it's noticeable when you accidentally bruise one of those weird ass spots.


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