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Offlinejimbob989
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Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? *DELETED*
    #22419360 - 10/22/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: Cuz i made a more informative one!!!



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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: jimbob989]
    #22419620 - 10/22/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

1 or 3 IMO.

And yea as long as it's sterile you should be fine and you can throw it in the fridge in the meantime.

EDIT: Wait scratch that is the compost sterilized or pasteurized?


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: mushmagic]
    #22419642 - 10/22/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sterilized. Im leaning towards innoc all three, and then fruit the compost in a tray and spawn the rye and wbs to coco and verm in a small monotub


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: jimbob989]
    #22419654 - 10/22/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well if it's sterilized and you're spawning to bulk you'll need to spawn it under sterile conditions. Either in a still air box or in front of a flowhood.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: jimbob989]
    #22419678 - 10/22/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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jimbob989 said:
Hey guys, just getting back in the game after years.

Ive 2pounds of rye, 2pounds wbs, and 5 pounds of compost, each in its own filtered spawn bag,
And i had 3 ideas.

1) inoculate the wbs and rye, save the compost to use as bulk sub in a monotub with rye and wbs spawned to compost

2) inoculate all 3 bags, fruit them like they were giant cakes

3) innocate all 3, use two of em to spawn to bulk, fruit the other like it was a cake as a backup incase the bulk contams

Any advice ?

P.s. Can you keep a spawn bag of compost for later use ( fully sterile ) or must it be used right away?




Did you sterilized the compost bag? If you did, you'll have to inoculate the bag with full colonized grains, perhaps you are thinking that you can inoculate the manure/compost bag with spores or LC but it will be very unlikely to colonize at all, spores or LC don't have enough nutrients for the myc to start colonizing the manure, you need to inoculate the compost bag with colonized grains and if you sterilized the compost bag or bought it that way... you would need to inoculate the bag in front of a flow hood or inside a still air box.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22419707 - 10/22/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There is rye in the compost to help it colonize. I have no flow hood, so you are saying that the compost being sterile not pasturrized will not be good as a bulk sub? In that case im thinking get them all colonized and spawn the rye and wbs to coco and verm, the compost/rye just in a tray


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: jimbob989]
    #22419761 - 10/22/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ask the vendor to elaborate if its sterilized or not.  some make weirdo claims on their site because it makes newer growers feel better.  "sterilized" sounds better to someone out of the loop than explaining what "pasteurized" even means.

if u have rye in ur compost, u need to noc that up separate.  do  not spawn it open air like most tub TEKs call for.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: jimbob989]
    #22419773 - 10/22/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There is rye in the compost to help it colonize. I have no flow hood, so you are saying that the compost being sterile not pasturrized will not be good as a bulk sub? In that case im thinking get them all colonized and spawn the rye and wbs to coco and verm, the compost/rye just in a tray




If there is rye or any kind of grain in the sterilized compost bag, then you can inoculate with spores syringes or lc (if the bag has an inoculation port). Better do it inside a SAB.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22419991 - 10/22/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I fruit my spawn bags as cakes... works just like small cakes.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: fourleaf033]
    #22420080 - 10/22/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I read such conflicting reports on whether spore syringe thru self healing port needs a glove box or sab if you have a decently clean room. Its done now anyway. Golden teacher and Pf strain


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: jimbob989]
    #22420134 - 10/22/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Normally people make ports in jars so they can inoculate without a sab. But with substrates no precaution is too much.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22420313 - 10/22/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

normally people do bags in front of flow hoods via g2g
or use their SAB when doing agar to grain.

no matter if you use a ship or not you should still do it in a SAB. Best just learn to use the sab right away..


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: spacechildo]
    #22434704 - 10/26/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This is my rye grain cake.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: fourleaf033]
    #22435173 - 10/26/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's contaminated with bacteria.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22437130 - 10/26/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Where do u see that?


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: fourleaf033]
    #22437195 - 10/26/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

All that white shiny stuff is not mycelium, is bacteria. I'm trying to get an example for you to see.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22437206 - 10/26/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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All that white shiny stuff is not mycelium, is bacteria. I'm trying to get an example for you to see.



Looks more like mycogone...maybe not though http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17165834


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22437212 - 10/26/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I think he would have noticed the smell if he had that much bacteria on his cake. Does it seem like milk? Could be looking like that cuz he just misted it. Cant really see clearly in the pic thats true


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22437247 - 10/26/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not all the bacteria smell like when you smell your contaminated spawn jars that smell like vinegar. Some of that white bacteria or whatever is called when it reach to the fruiting stage is really odorless.

This is bacteria.



Although i could be wrong and it could be trichoderma in its early stages when is white, but that white stuff on the OP Pic is not healthy myc.


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Re: Spawn bags to bulk or fruit as is? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #22437289 - 10/26/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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that white stuff on the OP Pic is not healthy myc.




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