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So stoked, finally got spores: B+ (grow finished)
    #22419135 - 10/22/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

PCing some agar right now wish me luck everyone and thank you all for the info on here!
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22419157 - 10/22/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Whoot Whoot!

Best of luck!

Looks clean and nice!


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #22419207 - 10/22/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

B+...  There be mushrooms called Twisted Coast and you up in here with B+?
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Good on you for starting with agar, that should make everything easier.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22419354 - 10/22/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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B+...  There be mushrooms called Twisted Coast and you up in here with B+?
:notcoolman:

Good on you for starting with agar, that should make everything easier.



Didn't have much choice in the strain, where i live its a bitch to get spores. I'd been trying to get a print for so long I'm just happy with anything after 3 months searching haha. Maybe down the line ill be able to isolate something special and call it a different strain (:

Btw agar plates are cooling right now, there was alot of condensation on the lids of the petris, is that going to evap away or will it be foggy for awhile?


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22419482 - 10/22/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, well congrats on getting a print.  It was a tricky for me where I am as well, though once I was able to I had my pick of the litter.

Anyway, if those are nopours and you want to use them soon, I like to give them a good whack and then a bunch of small taps along the sides.  Then I just open them slightly sideways in the airbox and pour out the water.

It takes the better part of a day to get significant reduction in condensation IME, if you're even using a filter.  I just crack the poptop lids on mine for the PC run and snap them shut as I remove them, so the condensation doesn't go away for a long long time.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22419590 - 10/22/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Great job man and good luck! You'll do great just follow directions and you'll do great! :laugh: I'm on the same path as you, trying to find spores like if I was looking for waldo! :P :frown:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22419632 - 10/22/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hell yeah thanks Mach, imna do that to get rid of the condensation. they've been cooling for about an hour now, im going to give them another hour to make sure its completely solid then im going to innoc. them


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22419643 - 10/22/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Are you sure it's worth the risk

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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: newrook]
    #22419672 - 10/22/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

B+ is great, it really is.


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: newrook]
    #22419705 - 10/22/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So worth the risk (;


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #22419728 - 10/22/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

get rid of the napkins in ur SAB .NUTHIN IN THERE that hasnt been sterilised until u get the jist of things. sterlse the box and ur equip put everythng in it spray wth lysol wait for settling then just keep hands clean whenever u takem out


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22419789 - 10/22/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:lol: good one!

How to use a SAB


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22419799 - 10/22/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

thanks man, i didn't even think of that, i sprayed the shit out of it with 70% iso let that semi evap., then again with soap and water to just make it "sticky" inside. i put the towels down to keep the plates dry. hindsight it was a bad idea haha thanks man, i took them out. Hopefully it didn't contam my plates


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22419816 - 10/22/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

how foolish of me ur rite .that is the ONLY way 2 do it . i dont how i ever get anything 2 grow without ur corrections and contradictions


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22419826 - 10/22/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, lets not turn this into another "is it worth the risk to grow mushrooms" thread, haha i appreciate ALL the input i get honestly everything helps. Stay up guys about to vape a few bags and then innoc. the agar. WISH ME LUCK :awehigh:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22419831 - 10/22/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

you can get away with doing a bunch of counterproductive things as well as completely unneccessary things.

Read through the link I posted and search the Basics by spitballjedi and learn why we do what we do with the SAB.
nothing's sterile the air is just still, you want good technique and to have that you gotta know what to do and what not to do.

I dont care how you do it dude I just try to teach OP who was the one asking..


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22419845 - 10/22/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for linking that spacechildo, i appreciate it! Thanks everyone, I'll post back when my agar starts showing any sign of growth!

edit: hopefully not bacteia haha  :blowmybrainsout:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22419849 - 10/22/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

u jst hav 2 keep in mind the way dust and particles can float around and try 2 keep that 2 a minimum. grab a napkin and slap it in ur hand in a sunny room and watch that shit explode . but brand and quality make a diffnce


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22419861 - 10/22/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah bro but horrigan also doin a g2g not agar wrk frm spore


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22419884 - 10/22/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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grab a napkin and slap it in ur hand




:nono:

that's not the technique frank teaches ya. slow and steady movements. still air. soap and water. no bleach. no 70 or 90 iso.


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter] * 1
    #22420060 - 10/22/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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PCing some agar right now wish me luck everyone and thank you all for the info on here!
:offthehook:





Congrats man. Dont forget pics of harvest. Or it didn't happen :p


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22420110 - 10/22/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I innoced them and wrapped them in glad press n seal (its all i had), some of the dishes the condensation disappeared but a few still have heavy condensation on the lid. Also where is the best place to keep them from getting contaminated? Can i just keep them in the SAB or is there anywhere better? Thanks again everyone


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: spacechildo]
    #22420144 - 10/22/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You can store the plates anywhere.  You're probably gonna want to look at them a lot so put'm somewhere convenient.  Why didn't you just put the original lids back on the plates?  Anyway, condensation isn't a huge deal, as long as there isn't a big puddle sloshing around in the plate.  Good luck.


I like to have paper towels in the bottom of my box well soaked with 1:10 bleach.  I actually think soapy water is a better idea for preventing contams from lifting off, but I started down this path and I just <3 to kill shit and I haven't had any problems with it.

Anyway, the paper towels help prevent vibration when contact is made with the floor of the air box, and help keep it uniformly wet, while plastic will be dry in some areas quite quickly, unless you're working in a puddle.

I like to spray down the tote, wipe it down, spray it down again.  Spray down the lid, put paper towels, spray down the towels, put in alcohol swabbed contents, place the tote on, then mist down again through the arm holes, and let it sit till work commenses.

#1 Rule:  Don't put your hands above your work.

Don't worry about X chance of contamination per second, MUST BE SO FAST.  Just be steady.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22420193 - 10/22/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Now that they're wrapped and innoced' should i still have gloves and tyvek sleeves on when handling the plates or is washing my hands with soap then alcohol or HO2 and then using bare hands okay?


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22420829 - 10/22/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Check pm

Edit:

Should be ok to toucb but I still wash my hands cuz my parafilm still tears sometimes. Gloves are not really necessary I dont use them a lot even in sab. I just make sure my hands dont go over an open plate or jar. Tyvek sleeves are only used in sab imo. I suspect this is so when your arms rub against the edge of the holes you dont fill the box with dead skin cells.could also be to close the hole better but I read a close fitting hole will agitate the air in you sab more when you take your hands out so I dont really know what to think on that one


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22431917 - 10/25/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well Its about 3 days since i poured the agar and inoculated it and theres no contams and the condensation has reduced :thumbup: !  Good so far, or would contams from the pour and inoc. and wrap show up later on? Thanks guys


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22431921 - 10/25/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Great I can't wait to get to the same place!


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow [Re: oKiHai]
    #22432764 - 10/25/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What's stopping you? haha get crafty! I thought i'd never be able to get spores but if theres a will theres a way.


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22432808 - 10/25/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wish you luck my dude!

Lol and fun fact, your makeshift glove box is the exact same kinda sterilite or whatever as my SGFC :tongue:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Designer Drugs]
    #22432837 - 10/25/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks man, I appreciate it. So far im happy theres no bacterial growth so im pretty sure the pour and spores were clean (hopefully im not speaking too soon haha) i just cant wait to see some myc. crawling along  :biggrin: I accidentally got the opaque white lid sterlite for my SGFC haha had to work out how to light it from the side but i worked it out haha, still i wish i wouldve used this as my SGFC so i can get more ambient daylight as well as the 6500k CFL im putting on the side.


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22434524 - 10/26/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Even if a bit of bacteria does show up, you can always just transfer away from it.  Even if your technique is a sloppy, it's probably not going to be a lot.

LoL, make your airbox with the lid on the bottom and the lid colour doesn't matter.  Add to that, the lid almost always has greater surface area than the bottom of the tote, and thus provides more workspace.  You also don't have to lower all your shit into the tote, then close it, just place it on the lid then lower the box.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22436295 - 10/26/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Would bacteria would show up before mycelium?

Edit: still no signs of growth of anything


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22436324 - 10/26/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

7 days is probably the median germination time, so nothing to worry about.  After two weeks you might get suspicious, but I mean, if it's a purple brown spore print, it's probably gonna do the trick.  You know what you've got much more than with a syringe.

The bacteria I've had has always shown up as a small milky brown/caramel coloured dot, and takes maybe 5 days to show up?  I'm not sure, I haven't payed that much attn to the timing.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22444078 - 10/28/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So its just about 6 days since inoc. and there is some growth but it's very, VERY transparent and is only about the size of a dime at largest in one of the plates. It originated only from the spots on inoculated so i think it's mycelium because it's slow moving as all hell. It has little branch patterns and i assume looks like the very, very beginning of mycelium growth. I cant get any clear macro pictures because it is so faint but it has a "veinlike" looking growth pattern and is nearly transparent...Idk i hope its young or monokaryotic mycelium or something but we shall see. ill probably be posting pics


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22444189 - 10/28/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Pictures added to help see if i'm still on track. I'm pretty sure it isn't bacteria, b/c, although you cant really tell in the pic, it has a very "veinlike" or "branchlike" growth pattern. Hoping it's mycelium, fingers crossed  :learning: Thank you all for your help and input!




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    #22444818 - 10/28/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, that's really thin looking growth.  I hope it's cube mycellium.  Quite unlikely it's monokaryotic, from everything I read about that you need like 100x/1000x dilution of a spore syringe to get that.

How did you inoculate the plates?  I would have thought you'd have just scraped some spores on the print and poured them into the plate, but it looks like you only got'm at one point.


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    #22444907 - 10/28/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The print was extremely light and i got it from a free spore place, print was purple though so idk. And i used a loop to inoculate the dishes. hopefully it turns out but i didn't even notice any growth until yesterday really so maybe it'll perk up enough for a transfer. I have 4 other plates too and those have the same kind of growth just less of it.


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    #22448489 - 10/29/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It looks good 2 go bro. Its possible ur agar isnt nutrient rich enuff for good strong growth. Or its a poor strain .but the growth def appears to be myc not contam


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    #22448566 - 10/29/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ya congrats man. Im just spawning my first mini mono tub myself.

Race ya to harvest? :p I got some 2nd transfers that might be isolated but they are still pretty young to know. Ill post them pics when they grow a lil to see if they are isolated or not. Doesn't seem like they are sectoeing yet so fingers crossed


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    #22449536 - 10/29/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It could be the agar but i bought MEA powder from one of the shroomerys sponsors so i hope it would come with the right nutes, i'm thinking maybe its the cold (always around 60 degrees F in the room) and just weak spores. after turning on a space heater for 1 hour intervals every 12 hours it seemed to help the myc get a bit more thick, this is an overnight pic and it's already bulking up (:


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    #22449568 - 10/29/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ya congrats man. Im just spawning my first mini mono tub myself.

Race ya to harvest? :p I got some 2nd transfers that might be isolated but they are still pretty young to know. Ill post them pics when they grow a lil to see if they are isolated or not. Doesn't seem like they are sectoeing yet so fingers crossed



Haha at this rate i think you'll beat me to harvest :awehigh: , haha I'm going to be happy if i get at least get a nice print or a few so i can keep on learning and experimenting (: Good luck on your grow too my dude! Ill stay posted!


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    #22450549 - 10/29/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It could be the agar but i bought MEA powder from one of the shroomerys sponsors so i hope it would come with the right nutes, i'm thinking maybe its the cold (always around 60 degrees F in the room) and just weak spores. after turning on a space heater for 1 hour intervals every 12 hours it seemed to help the myc get a bit more thick, this is an overnight pic and it's already bulking up (:





You do know mycelium grows most when ur not looking right? :wink:

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    #22451014 - 10/29/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It could be the agar but i bought MEA powder from one of the shroomerys sponsors so i hope it would come with the right nutes, i'm thinking maybe its the cold (always around 60 degrees F in the room) and just weak spores. after turning on a space heater for 1 hour intervals every 12 hours it seemed to help the myc get a bit more thick, this is an overnight pic and it's already bulking up (:





You do know mycelium grows most when ur not looking right? :wink:

When I forget about my jars/plates for a couple of days im always like; whoa!



Haha i know i need to stop checking it every few hours hahah, it's hard though on the first grow. it's all so exciting haha :offthehook:


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    #22487018 - 11/06/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just a update:
Took a transfer from this initial plate on Halloween and then it grew out to this .
I let that go for a few days until it looked a bit more like this I used the growth from #1, (which looked nearly identical to the #5 transfer above except it was a bit more aggressive and thicker), to make a LI, thanks Muda and his LI blender tek, and used the LI to inoc. 10 jars this morning.
I'll keep you all posted on the status of the jars, lets hope they make it! :thumbup: thanks again everyone for the help and info available on here. :smile:


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    #22489386 - 11/07/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22491386 - 11/07/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

For some reason my LI always takes like 6 days to get rolling.  I'm not sure why.  I blend it the minimum time that I can (like 2 seconds.)  Planning on doing more slurry for that reason, but yeah.  Even so, the expansion factor on LI is great however fast it might be.

A jar lid with a polyfill port in the edge is really nice if you're using a large syringe and aspirating the LI.  Otherwise I find the syringe is above the LI for an uncomfortably long time.  Those 60cc's are really difficult to aspirate with one hand.

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    #22491517 - 11/07/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I was really worried about over blending it, i couldn't get it completely blended but i'm using 16 gauge syringe for inoc so i was able to suck up some chunks. I used about a quarter sized chunk of agar and blended it with about 30 ccs of sterilized water. I used just under less than 1cc per jar. (filled a 10cc syringe with the LI and had about 3cc left after inocing all 10 jars 4 injection holes) I hope It was enough. idk haha time will tell Ill keep you guys updated on the progress!


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    #22491542 - 11/07/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Are you doing PF tek?  With that blend ratio it should be pretty strong, but at least for quart jars muda uses 10ccs (which I coppied.)  It does get everywhere with that quantity so subsequent shakes aren't necessarry usually.

If you're doing grains shake'm up (assuming you aren't using any kind of verm barrier setup.)  And if you have a small syringe, you can pour the LI out of the jar instead of dicking around with a 10cc.  Just keep swirling it around between jars to keep the mycellium agitated.


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    #22491672 - 11/07/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, i'm just doing PF tek for my first go. I might try bulk once i get a few grows under my belt but when I was looking into spawning grains to bulk, those yields would be more than I'd ever need or know what to do with haha. I wouldn't want to get caught with 1 half pound + dried.


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    #22491704 - 11/07/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, I assumed since you were using agar you'd be doing a grain based grow.  Even if you don't want shittons of shrooms, grains are the way the to go in terms of time efficiency.

Like you can grab a foil pan with a plastic shotgun lid and spawn 1qt of grains to 2 quarts of coir and probably pull an oz or two off it easily.  I need to make a guide on those things.  You could also do the same sub in say a $3 15qt sterilite tiny monotub.  No need to worry about fruiting clearance on these things, the mushrooms will grow sideways if they can't grow up, especially if the light source isn't directly above them.

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    #22491823 - 11/07/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Like you can grab a foil pan with a plastic shotgun lid and spawn 1qt of grains to 2 quarts of coir and probably pull an oz or two off it easily.




Hell yea.... I've used those pans quite a few times and like the results. Those are great for smaller sized bulk sub grows. And at 2/$1 use 'em then toss.


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    #22492319 - 11/07/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Do you think shredding and casing these PF cakes in a couple of those aluminum baking trays or a 15 qt with Coir, Verm and Gypsum would up the yield enough to since i already nocced up the PF jars. Or is it not really worth the effort/contam risk to case cakes v.s. grains? Thinking on it pulling a few ozs of a single grow would definitely be worth it, that'd last me a good, good while. I'd just need to do a bit more reading on casing/how to make bulk subs. My main reason for starting with agar though was b/c i didnt know if the print would be clean because it was an FSRE donation, haha but it turned out to be perfect. :aliendance: The main difference between casing and bulk is that a casing isn't nutritious but bulk sub is? If so how come Coir seems to be able to be used as a bulk? Sorry for all the questions. I'm doing my own research too but it's good to get input back


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    #22492413 - 11/07/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yea you can crumble the cakes but the main difference from grain to brf is the speed of colonisation. Inoculated my grains after my cakes and they were ready about a week or more before. Keep in mind I did grains in quarts and brf in pints. I find that mycelium has a hard time going through the brf. Maybe because it becomes hard after being exposed to the heat during sterilisation. Why not leave the cakes as a pf style and In the meantime make a couple of quart jars with grains to make small trays. Like those 1l trays kits come in. I filled a 22l mini tub with 4 inches of substrate with 4 quarts of grain so a little goes a long way since you would be doubling it at least

Saw a post of a TC when I first started that said that mycelium do get some nutes from coir. I think he said that anything it colonises it will be getting something from it.

I would say that bulk is the process of adding an uncolonised material(whatever it is) to colonised spawn but im not sure about it. Thats how I always understood it.


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This is how my tub is looking like atm. Fruited it at like 50%colonisation which is a bit late so its fully colonised now. Shouldn't be a problem with cubes though or so I read.



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    #22492422 - 11/07/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you think shredding and casing these PF cakes in a couple of those aluminum baking trays or a 15 qt with Coir, Verm and Gypsum would up the yield enough to since i already nocced up the PF jars. Or is it not really worth the effort/contam risk to case cakes v.s. grains? Thinking on it pulling a few ozs of a single grow would definitely be worth it, that'd last me a good, good while. I'd just need to do a bit more reading on casing/how to make bulk subs. My main reason for starting with agar though was b/c i didnt know if the print would be clean because it was an FSRE donation, haha but it turned out to be perfect. :aliendance: The main difference between casing and bulk is that a casing isn't nutritious but bulk sub is? If so how come Coir seems to be able to be used as a bulk? Sorry for all the questions. I'm doing my own research too but it's good to get input back





I've seen a few nice spawned PF grows, it would definitely be okay to do.  There's a lot of overlap between bulk substrates and casing materials, and not just coir.  Vermiculite can also be used a bulk substrate.

The main point of a bulk substrate is to provide watermass to expend the nutritional capacity of grains in cube growing.  Spawning to vermiculite would be the ultimate example of that.  Other subs that are slightly more nutritious such as coir help improve yield by at least providing enough nutrition for the mycellium to recoup the energy expendature of trippling its size.

So what makes it a casing is really its usage and not what it is.  If you put coir ontop, let it partially colonize, and fruit, you are using it to provide humidity at the substrate surface, low nutrition pinning sites, and aid in moisture retention.  If you spawn to it you are using it for its watermass.

Alternatively, the oldschool trays of cased PF cakes (often called "casings,") where casing material was placed inbetween and above the cakes, were in a sense a bulk substrate even though they used peat and verm, since they were providing additional watermass.  The top layer also functioned as an actual casing layer.

I wouldn't bother spawning the cakes since you have grain capabilities.  Go to a bargainmarket/dollarstore and grab some Whole Brown Rice.  Hydrate it and use it as spawn.  I can detail how I go about it if you're interested.  Pick up some quart twist top polypropylene (pp5, recycling code 5) containers if you don't have any jars.  These require no modification and can be pressure cooked with the lid loosened slightly.  Just twist it shut as you remove it from the PC.  Once you have you grain spawn, drop a wedge in it.  A pound of brown rice makes about 2 quarts 2/3 full.

Also, by fruiting your cakes as cakes, you aren't mixing up the strains in each cake, which will make cloning a good fruit/cluster and isolating easier and possibly give you a more diverse selection to choose from.


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    #22492465 - 11/07/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Like you can grab a foil pan with a plastic shotgun lid and spawn 1qt of grains to 2 quarts of coir and probably pull an oz or two off it easily.




Hell yea.... I've used those pans quite a few times and like the results. Those are great for smaller sized bulk sub grows. And at 2/$1 use 'em then toss.



I think I might try this out and get a small bulk going as well i still have some of the transfer plates that i could use to get a couple grain jars going.

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Yea you can crumble the cakes but the main difference from grain to brf is the speed of colonisation. Inoculated my grains after my cakes and they were ready about a week or more before. Keep in mind I did grains in quarts and brf in pints. I find that mycelium has a hard time going through the brf. Maybe because it becomes hard after being exposed to the heat during sterilisation. Why not leave the cakes as a pf style and In the meantime make a couple of quart jars with grains to make small trays. Like those 1l trays kits come in. I filled a 22l mini tub with 4 inches of substrate with 4 quarts of grain so a little goes a long way since you would be doubling it at least

Saw a post of a TC when I first started that said that mycelium do get some nutes from coir. I think he said that anything it colonises it will be getting something from it.

I would say that bulk is the process of adding an uncolonised material(whatever it is) to colonised spawn but im not sure about it. Thats how I always understood it.



I may give grains a go, what is a good grain to use? I've seen so many from rye, wbs, oats, popcorn, etc. Is it just preference?


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Do you think shredding and casing these PF cakes in a couple of those aluminum baking trays or a 15 qt with Coir, Verm and Gypsum would up the yield enough to since i already nocced up the PF jars. Or is it not really worth the effort/contam risk to case cakes v.s. grains? Thinking on it pulling a few ozs of a single grow would definitely be worth it, that'd last me a good, good while. I'd just need to do a bit more reading on casing/how to make bulk subs. My main reason for starting with agar though was b/c i didnt know if the print would be clean because it was an FSRE donation, haha but it turned out to be perfect. :aliendance: The main difference between casing and bulk is that a casing isn't nutritious but bulk sub is? If so how come Coir seems to be able to be used as a bulk? Sorry for all the questions. I'm doing my own research too but it's good to get input back





I've seen a few nice spawned PF grows, it would definitely be okay to do.  There's a lot of overlap between bulk substrates and casing materials, and not just coir.  Vermiculite can also be used a bulk substrate.

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So what makes it a casing is really its usage and not what it is.  If you put coir ontop, let it partially colonize, and fruit, you are using it to provide humidity at the substrate surface, low nutrition pinning sites, and aid in moisture retention.  If you spawn to it you are using it for its watermass.

Alternatively, the oldschool trays of cased PF cakes (often called "casings,") where casing material was placed inbetween and above the cakes, were in a sense a bulk substrate even though they used peat and verm, since they were providing additional watermass.  The top layer also functioned as an actual casing layer.

I wouldn't bother spawning the cakes since you have grain capabilities.  Go to a bargainmarket/dollarstore and grab some Whole Brown Rice.  Hydrate it and use it as spawn.  I can detail how I go about it if you're interested.  Pick up some quart twist top polypropylene (pp5, recycling code 5) containers if you don't have any jars.  These require no modification and can be pressure cooked with the lid loosened slightly.  Just twist it shut as you remove it from the PC.  Once you have you grain spawn, drop a wedge in it.  A pound of brown rice makes about 2 quarts 2/3 full.

Also, by fruiting your cakes as cakes, you aren't mixing up the strains in each cake, which will make cloning a good fruit/cluster and isolating easier and possibly give you a more diverse selection to choose from.



Wow i didn't even think of using whole brown rice, i have shit tons of it sitting in the cupboard haha Its delicious in stews/soups. Anyways I think this is the tek i'd use, http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir coir and verm are much easier to get than hpoo/straw, etc. I don't really understand why you don't PC it though, boiling water is enough to sterilize/pasteurize bulk subs? It seems grains are the only thing you need to PC besides tools/agar/etc?


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    #22492517 - 11/07/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Id say preference.

Personally I like popcorn best. Easy to shake apart. I have tried millet a d spelt also but I can never break them apart even at piping hot. Myc tears through the millet fast im guessing its the nute content but it's the worst to break.

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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22492528 - 11/07/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you think shredding and casing these PF cakes in a couple of those aluminum baking trays or a 15 qt with Coir, Verm and Gypsum would up the yield enough to since i already nocced up the PF jars. Or is it not really worth the effort/contam risk to case cakes v.s. grains? Thinking on it pulling a few ozs of a single grow would definitely be worth it, that'd last me a good, good while. I'd just need to do a bit more reading on casing/how to make bulk subs. My main reason for starting with agar though was b/c i didnt know if the print would be clean because it was an FSRE donation, haha but it turned out to be perfect. :aliendance: The main difference between casing and bulk is that a casing isn't nutritious but bulk sub is? If so how come Coir seems to be able to be used as a bulk? Sorry for all the questions. I'm doing my own research too but it's good to get input back





I've seen a few nice spawned PF grows, it would definitely be okay to do.  There's a lot of overlap between bulk substrates and casing materials, and not just coir.  Vermiculite can also be used a bulk substrate.

The main point of a bulk substrate is to provide watermass to expend the nutritional capacity of grains in cube growing.  Spawning to vermiculite would be the ultimate example of that.  Other subs that are slightly more nutritious such as coir help improve yield by at least providing enough nutrition for the mycellium to recoup the energy expendature of trippling its size.

So what makes it a casing is really its usage and not what it is.  If you put coir ontop, let it partially colonize, and fruit, you are using it to provide humidity at the substrate surface, low nutrition pinning sites, and aid in moisture retention.  If you spawn to it you are using it for its watermass.

Alternatively, the oldschool trays of cased PF cakes (often called "casings,") where casing material was placed inbetween and above the cakes, were in a sense a bulk substrate even though they used peat and verm, since they were providing additional watermass.  The top layer also functioned as an actual casing layer.

I wouldn't bother spawning the cakes since you have grain capabilities.  Go to a bargainmarket/dollarstore and grab some Whole Brown Rice.  Hydrate it and use it as spawn.  I can detail how I go about it if you're interested.  Pick up some quart twist top polypropylene (pp5, recycling code 5) containers if you don't have any jars.  These require no modification and can be pressure cooked with the lid loosened slightly.  Just twist it shut as you remove it from the PC.  Once you have you grain spawn, drop a wedge in it.  A pound of brown rice makes about 2 quarts 2/3 full.

Also, by fruiting your cakes as cakes, you aren't mixing up the strains in each cake, which will make cloning a good fruit/cluster and isolating easier and possibly give you a more diverse selection to choose from.



Wow i didn't even think of using whole brown rice, i have shit tons of it sitting in the cupboard haha Its delicious in stews/soups. Anyways I think this is the tek i'd use, http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir coir and verm are much easier to get than hpoo/straw, etc. I don't really understand why you don't PC it though, boiling water is enough to sterilize/pasteurize bulk subs? It seems grains are the only thing you need to PC besides tools/agar/etc?





Yes because the grains will be enclosed in the jar and therefore protected from contams. When you are spawning its much easier for contams to get a foothold in sterilised straw. With pasteurisation some bacteria remain so molds will have a much harder time colonising it

Edit: personally I pasteurise coir and verm with my peat even though people say I could do without it. It think they say that because those could be bought dry and nothing lives in dry substrate.


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22492544 - 11/07/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

People PC coir to cook it, which supposedly breaks it down making the nutrients more accessible.

The only issue with buckettek is that it doesn't work well for smaller quantites due to inferior heat retention.  When I do a pan, I just hack say 160g off the brick with a claw hammer, hydrate with 1qt boiling water in a microwave safe 2+qt container, let it sit for about 30 minutes with the lid on, then put it in the microwave for another 10 minutes.

Main point again being to cook it.  Otherwise using untreated coir would be fine.  Hypothetically the spore load on the coir is being reduced if there was any to start with, and there don't seem to be any beneficial bacteria to preserve by doing real pasteurization.

Boiling water hydrates it quite a bit better than cold water as well.


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22493153 - 11/07/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Congratulations! :smile: :mushroom2:

May your jars fruit well, buddy! :wink:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22493229 - 11/07/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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People PC coir to cook it, which supposedly breaks it down making the nutrients more accessible.

The only issue with buckettek is that it doesn't work well for smaller quantites due to inferior heat retention.  When I do a pan, I just hack say 160g off the brick with a claw hammer, hydrate with 1qt boiling water in a microwave safe 2 qt container, let it sit for about 30 minutes with the lid on, then put it in the microwave for another 10 minutes.

Main point again being to cook it.  Otherwise using untreated coir would be fine.  Hypothetically the spore load on the coir is being reduced if there was any to start with, and there don't seem to be any beneficial bacteria to preserve by doing real pasteurization.

Boiling water hydrates it quite a bit better than cold water as well.



I think i'm going to give grains a try and just do a few small baking pans, it seems just as doable as PF tek, especially with the wealth of info and people willing to help on here. Thanks for the help Mach
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Thanks man i hope so too! :aliendance: Never tripped off my own before and i'm sure it'll be an awesome experience. From spore to stomach is pretty cool :smile:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22493277 - 11/07/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yup, it's really not a big deal.

Rice a great grain actually, very clean, and it preps super fast.  Can take as little as like 30-40 minutes from the bag to jars ready to PC.  But you need to watch it quite carefully.  Dump it in like 3-4x the volume of dry rice in boiling water and let it sit.  For small pots leave the lid on.  Check the hydration at 10 minutes, then at 15, and again at 20.  You want it to slice with your thumb nail and not have a dry looking white core but also not be burst.  It kinda looks clear all the way through.  The line between full hydration and bursting is very narrow with rice.  Some burst grains are no biggie, especially if you don't overload the jar.

With some rice, a second return to boiling after a couple hours of soaking may be required.  Seems to vary a lot with brand and the heat retention characteristics of the quantity and pot you use.  But yeah, piss EZ prep once you know how the quantities and materials you're working with behave.  Not too expensive at 66c a pound either.

Strain it for about 10 minutes then spread it out in a pan or tote and let the boiling water evaporate off the grains.  For the most part I use violet's rice prep as a starting point, but some rice explodes super easily.  Not likely with the quantity you're doing though, a second boil is more likely what will be required.

Anyway, to summarize, rice takes less time but needs more attention.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22500332 - 11/09/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So i was looking into monotubs and decided i think i'm going to give a few a try. The only questions is how much lighting will i need per tub? I went out and picked up a few 66qt sterlites, some eco earth coir, and some gypsum. All i need to get now is quart jars for my grain jars and some grains, i was thinking WBS or Popcorn but when i was out at my local hardware/gardening store in the section where there was gypsum they sold rye berries and other whole grains/oats cheap as hell. I think i'm going to go back later and try Rye instead of WBS or Popcorn.  Anyways i'm getting off on a tangent here haha, my main question is how much lighting will 2-3 66qt monotubs need in a closet? Im assuming the single 32 watt 6500k CFL ill be using for my cakes won't be enough for 2-3 tubs? Would 1 6500k cfl shop light (or ideally just a couple 6500k cfl bulbs) be enough to light the tubs or do the mushrooms need more to develop and pin properly in a mono? Thanks everyone for the help and information, and i hope you have a great day! :dancingshroom:

Edit: nvm i figured out the lighting question haha just took a bit more searching of recent posts, sorry guys :aliendance:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22500411 - 11/09/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So i was looking into monotubs and decided i think i'm going to give a few a try. The only questions is how much lighting will i need per tub? I went out and picked up a few 66qt sterlites, some eco earth coir, and some gypsum. All i need to get now is quart jars for my grain jars and some grains, i was thinking WBS or Popcorn but when i was out at my local hardware/gardening store in the section where there was gypsum they sold rye berries and other whole grains/oats cheap as hell. I think i'm going to go back later and try Rye instead of WBS or Popcorn.  Anyways i'm getting off on a tangent here haha, my main question is how much lighting will 2-3 66qt monotubs need in a closet? Im assuming the single 32 watt 6500k CFL ill be using for my cakes won't be enough for 2-3 tubs? Would 1 6500k cfl shop light (or ideally just a couple 6500k cfl bulbs) be enough to light the tubs or do the mushrooms need more to develop and pin properly in a mono? Thanks everyone for the help and information, and i hope you have a great day! :dancingshroom:




If you're going to stack them you can buy a cheap shop light and one tube. Put it up and down next to the tubs and liht them all. Otherwise you can buy cheap clamp lights and low wattage bulbs. They don't photosynthesize. You don't need super bright lights.

I would suggest you go with oats. I really like them. WBS colonizes slower, but it will give more inoculation points in your bulk sub for quick colonization. Doesn't make a huge difference imo... oats are easy to shake and break up. They're quite forgiving during grain prep also.


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22502562 - 11/09/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hell yeah man i'm going to stack them and just use a shop light vertically. I definitely think ill do oats they had 40lb bags very cheap at 10$ a bag. Sorry guys but i also have another question..I was doing some reading and some people were saying bucket tek isn't a good method, i.e. contams are common before 1st flush. but Mudas bucket tek ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19907089 ) is what i was planning on doing. Anyone stand by Bucket tek? Or is just cooking/heating the CVG like Spitballs CVG ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20469910 ) a better idea? I could PC it too b ut it seems the general consensus on coir is it's hard to contam if you use the right coir (brand/not infected with trich) Thanks again everyone


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22502580 - 11/09/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Bucket tek is totally fine.  I've read a lot about this issue.

The point of heat treating coir is not to kill mold spores or preserve helpful bacteria.  There are people who have grown with cold hydrated coir.  The point is to cook it so the nutritional capacity is more available, because coir is space spaghetti farmed on mars, imported by Donald Rumsfeld and the lizard people.  There are some people who hydrate it and freeze it with the idea that bursting cell walls will help make it more available.

When I look at the end of a coir grow, I see a bunch of coir that looks almost the same as what I started with surrounded by a bunch of dying mycellium.

So yeah, the longer you keep it hotter the better.  PC'ing is the most hard core treatment, but buckettek works very well.  If you want to do small quantities, microwaving works well.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22502678 - 11/09/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks Mach, i think im going to give bucket tek a go especially since i'm just using coir, verm and gypsum without adding anything. and I was thinking about not wanting to do a bigger grow but decided i'm just being paranoid. I've been sketched my ISP has been monitoring me visiting this site, etc and have just been somewhat paranoid (unnecessarily i think). i have friends and family that i know wouldn't pass up a free oz or 2. It'd be nice to have enough to give away. I just definitely need to do a little more reading but so far i'm thinking LI again to Oats w/ SHIPs and a filter disk, and spawning that to CVG Bucket tek in a few 66qts. It seemed 1 brick of coir was perfect for 66qt and it seemed to easy to make substrate with bucket tek i'm just hoping all will go to plan. Regardless haha this stuff is addicting as hell, i'm seeing the first small signs of growth in 8/10 of my PF jars, ill post pics in a few days to update.


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22502695 - 11/09/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I find dropping wedges to be a cleaner and easier process than making LI.  You just can't inoculate as much with a single plate. My LI has always taken like 4-8 days to get rolling, I don't know why.  Maybe cause my agar plates are thinner.

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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22502727 - 11/09/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've thought about using a proxy and tried a few but most were cumbersome af. It just sucks b/c i know they (My ISP, Suddenlink) have the ability to know what i do/look at because if you torrent/seed torrents they will write you a warning but pretty sure i'm just being overly paranoid. I'm sure i'm not the only one on here with suddenlink. Anyways guys, i'll keep ya posted on the progress. Thanks again for all the help. seriously thanks for taking time out of your day to clear up questions and help me get into this. Ill keep you guys posted


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    #22502838 - 11/09/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure any ISP can do that.  They process all your data.  Shroomery isn't illegal, and they aren't in the business of fucking over their customers, with the possible exception of homeland security and cporn.  They have no liability for anything posted on shroomery, nor does any liability exist for posting photos, information, and questions for an adult, so I doubt it concerns them.

They would probably comply with a subpoena if they received one, which would probably only contain the data that you connected to the shroomery IP, which is pretty much worthless.  If you get fucked, it'll be them showing up at your door with a warrant and taking your shit and your comp.  Kinda talking out of my ass, but I'm pretty sure that's right.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22503015 - 11/09/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Bucket tek is totally fine.  I've read a lot about this issue.

The point of heat treating coir is not to kill mold spores or preserve helpful bacteria.  There are people who have grown with cold hydrated coir.  The point is to cook it so the nutritional capacity is more available, because coir is space spaghetti farmed on mars, imported by Donald Rumsfeld and the lizard people.  There are some people who hydrate it and freeze it with the idea that bursting cell walls will help make it more available.

When I look at the end of a coir grow, I see a bunch of coir that looks almost the same as what I started with surrounded by a bunch of dying mycellium.

So yeah, the longer you keep it hotter the better.  PC'ing is the most hard core treatment, but buckettek works very well.  If you want to do small quantities, microwaving works well.




I really must argue against this. I do agree with you about the bucket tek. I make a lot of fuckin tubs, and it's a lot more trouble doing it without the bucket tek.

However, I used to hydrate it, throw it all in a bag and PC it for 3 hours at a time. I've had good results probably 50% of the time doing it this way. Honestly, it's probably the coir I use (Beats Peat). It's the cheapest stuff I can buy in bulk on amazon that isn't so rock hard I can't break it up.

Nowadays I do the standard damion5050 bucket tek, but I wrap the buckets w/ a thick blanket, or two pillows or something, and tie them to the bucket for insulation. It keeps the heat quite high for several hours, and my contam rate is back down.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.



Also, if you are having trouble or have more questions feel free to PM me, and I'll see if I can point you in the right direction :wink:


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    #22503090 - 11/09/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty sure pasty advocates pressure sterilizing.

Coir can certainly take a long time to show dirty spawn.  I use big hydrobricks of Earth Juice Procoir from Ace.  I think the texture is actually better than the exotera plantation soil from the pet shop.  I whack it with a claw hammer, but it's pretty hard.  It's conceivable that the cooking makes it more nutritionally available to some mold spores in your house or something.

I wrap a 30qt tote in foil then put towels on it to make a ghetto thermos for like, 650-1300g range.  For more, I throw it in a 56qt and figure the sheer amount of heat will keep it warm plenty long.  Even a little 4qt bowl will stay above 180 for like, 45 mins at least.

I use coir in my casing and have had that sitting ontop of my fridge for a month, then cased with it without issue.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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    #22503246 - 11/10/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Pretty sure pasty advocates pressure sterilizing.

Coir can certainly take a long time to show dirty spawn.  I use big hydrobricks of Earth Juice Procoir from Ace.  I think the texture is actually better than the exotera plantation soil from the pet shop.  I whack it with a claw hammer, but it's pretty hard.  It's conceivable that the cooking makes it more nutritionally available to some mold spores in your house or something.

I wrap a 30qt tote in foil then put towels on it to make a ghetto thermos for like, 650-1300g range.  For more, I throw it in a 56qt and figure the sheer amount of heat will keep it warm plenty long.  Even a little 4qt bowl will stay above 180 for like, 45 mins at least.

I use coir in my casing and have had that sitting ontop of my fridge for a month, then cased with it without issue.




I started PCing coir when I read that Cronicr suggested doing so. However, when I started running into trouble, I PMed him about it, and he told me some coir sources aren't pure coir or are at least prone to contams after sterilization.

I'm not saying it won't work, but I don't think it's necessary, and you could potentially run into trouble. Maybe I will see if my ACE hardware has your coir. Does it come in big 11 lb bricks?


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    #22503355 - 11/10/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This stuff comes in 5 ki bricks, the brand is ProCoir "Earth Juice" and it costs 12$+tax a brick.  They have it above the soil stuff such as small bags of verm, perlite, and potting soil at one near me, though not every ace has it.  Good texture for spawning to straight coir IMO.

Occassional rocks and unshredded pieces of coconut husk.  That's interesting that sterilizing would cause a problem that buckettek wouldn't.  I do remember pasty said he didn't like "ecoearth."  I think he said sprouts liked to grow from it :smile:


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    #22503416 - 11/10/15 02:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think that if you minimise drawing attention to yourself you shouldnt have any problems with the police. As Machiavelliavore said the ISP can't benefit from ratting you out and I imagine they wouldn't just spy on their customers at random to see who grows this or that. Just imagine how much people are using the internet on any given day. Even if they were looking for illegal activity you have to be pretty fucking unlucky to be chosen for an "inspection".

IMO if you keep growing to yourself and don't sell the shit you'll be all right. I don't even tell my friends I grow. If I wanna trip with them I just tell them that a friend gave them to me for making him a favour or to test them for him. You would be wise to do the same you never know what will happen with your friends as time goes by. Im sure most people wouldn't rat out even their worst enemy. But why take the chance?

Used to hang out with a group of people some years ago and 3 of them decided to grow weed outside. The girlfriend of a guy in that group ( he wasn't even the one of the 3 growing it) broke up with him. Long story short in the end they kept arguing  bout some shit they had at each others house and she sent the police to where the plant was. After finding it they staked it out and caught 1 of the guys which in turn ratted the others out (one of which was his own brother) because he got scared shitless. Funny thing is the girlfriend who ratted them out in the first place should not have known about the plant. She never really saw it either according to the EX. Learned my lesson pretty fucking quick after this. The guys in question are still fighting it out in court. I think it has been 5-6 years already. Probably gonna have some jailtime because here cultivation of weed is automatically an intent to distribute case.


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    #22504332 - 11/10/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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This stuff comes in 5 ki bricks, the brand is ProCoir "Earth Juice" and it costs 12$+tax a brick.  They have it above the soil stuff such as small bags of verm, perlite, and potting soil at one near me, though not every ace has it.  Good texture for spawning to straight coir IMO.

Occassional rocks and unshredded pieces of coconut husk.  That's interesting that sterilizing would cause a problem that buckettek wouldn't.  I do remember pasty said he didn't like "ecoearth."  I think he said sprouts liked to grow from it :smile:




I'll check it out. 'Beats Peat' has a very nice texture also. I really like it. It crumbles fairly easily in your hands. I have to order it from Amazon though >.<


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    #22504402 - 11/10/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure any ISP can do that.  They process all your data.  Shroomery isn't illegal, and they aren't in the business of fucking over their customers, with the possible exception of homeland security and cporn.  They have no liability for anything posted on shroomery, nor does any liability exist for posting photos, information, and questions for an adult, so I doubt it concerns them.

They would probably comply with a subpoena if they received one, which would probably only contain the data that you connected to the shroomery IP, which is pretty much worthless.  If you get fucked, it'll be them showing up at your door with a warrant and taking your shit and your comp.  Kinda talking out of my ass, but I'm pretty sure that's right.



I'm pretty sure you're right. I think i'm just being a bit paranoid haha. :awehigh: Smoking too much reefer.
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Bucket tek is totally fine.  I've read a lot about this issue.

The point of heat treating coir is not to kill mold spores or preserve helpful bacteria.  There are people who have grown with cold hydrated coir.  The point is to cook it so the nutritional capacity is more available, because coir is space spaghetti farmed on mars, imported by Donald Rumsfeld and the lizard people.  There are some people who hydrate it and freeze it with the idea that bursting cell walls will help make it more available.

When I look at the end of a coir grow, I see a bunch of coir that looks almost the same as what I started with surrounded by a bunch of dying mycellium.

So yeah, the longer you keep it hotter the better.  PC'ing is the most hard core treatment, but buckettek works very well.  If you want to do small quantities, microwaving works well.




I really must argue against this. I do agree with you about the bucket tek. I make a lot of fuckin tubs, and it's a lot more trouble doing it without the bucket tek.

However, I used to hydrate it, throw it all in a bag and PC it for 3 hours at a time. I've had good results probably 50% of the time doing it this way. Honestly, it's probably the coir I use (Beats Peat). It's the cheapest stuff I can buy in bulk on amazon that isn't so rock hard I can't break it up.

Nowadays I do the standard damion5050 bucket tek, but I wrap the buckets w/ a thick blanket, or two pillows or something, and tie them to the bucket for insulation. It keeps the heat quite high for several hours, and my contam rate is back down.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.



Also, if you are having trouble or have more questions feel free to PM me, and I'll see if I can point you in the right direction :wink:



Hell yeah man thank you, i think i'm going to give the bucket a try, i'd rather not have to PC or pasteurize it on the stove, etc. I'll definitely shoot you a PM if i have some questions man. Thanks Wooof i appreciate it! Btw your sig makes me cream every time i see it hahahaha :offthehook:
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IMO if you keep growing to yourself and don't sell the shit you'll be all right. I don't even tell my friends I grow. If I wanna trip with them I just tell them that a friend gave them to me for making him a favour or to test them for him. You would be wise to do the same you never know what will happen with your friends as time goes by. Im sure most people wouldn't rat out even their worst enemy. But why take the chance?

Used to hang out with a group of people some years ago and 3 of them decided to grow weed outside. The girlfriend of a guy in that group ( he wasn't even the one of the 3 growing it) broke up with him. Long story short in the end they kept arguing  bout some shit they had at each others house and she sent the police to where the plant was. After finding it they staked it out and caught 1 of the guys which in turn ratted the others out (one of which was his own brother) because he got scared shitless. Funny thing is the girlfriend who ratted them out in the first place should not have known about the plant. She never really saw it either according to the EX. Learned my lesson pretty fucking quick after this. The guys in question are still fighting it out in court. I think it has been 5-6 years already. Probably gonna have some jailtime because here cultivation of weed is automatically an intent to distribute case.



I think i'm just being a little overly paranoid for the 1st grow, as long as i continue to keep it a secret and keep low profile ill be okay haha. but sometimes a little paranoia is healthy. And that's so fucked man, in California if you get a 215 card you can grow up to 6 mature plants at a time as a patient, i really hope we end up changing the drug policy in the U.S. over the next decade or so. Its ridiculous that in the 21st century people are getting jailed for this stuff when we can drink and smoke cigs till our death. The war on drugs is a ridiculous joke.


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    #22504774 - 11/10/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22504968 - 11/10/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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    #22506576 - 11/10/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22522809 - 11/14/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Another update: Jars are finally showing growth in all 10, #6 was lagging but finally showed signs of life on one of the inoc points. The growth is still pretty light but some of the jars are thickening up a bit.

I got all my things together for some Monos and I'm PCing the grain right now, Not sure which plate to use for the grain tomorrow. One shows really thick but slower growth (plate #2) and the other one (plate #5) was growing so fast i had to put it in the fridge for a few days to wait up for the other transfers, it also has decent rhizo growth. These are the transfers from the first plates i inoced spores on so they're different and i only transferred them once so i'm pretty sure they're not isolates.
i was planning on doing 2 66qts with these 10 jars but was wondering if it'd be a better idea to just spawn all 10 to 1 mono? Thanks everyone and I hope you're having a good weekend! :aliendance:



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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22525742 - 11/14/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

10 Cakes is only 2.5 quarts, and PF subs are at least somewhat less nutritious (25% range I'd guess) than straight grains, so you couldn't really do more than a mini.  p2g with verm barrier cakes isn't a great idea.

Go ahead and drop wedges in those grains and give'm a nice hard shake.


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    #22525889 - 11/15/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I ordered spores from The Spore Depot  and got screwed the won't even return my emails. Where did you get yours? What do you recommend?


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    #22533072 - 11/16/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Theres many ways man, just be diligent.


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    #22533229 - 11/16/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Shit tote ur catching up to me. My mono doesn't want to pin. If you end up eating shrooms before me ill be like :zomgzomgzomg:


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    #22542005 - 11/18/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hope your guy's weekend was good! Haha and we will see but i doubt it, 6/10 of the grain jars are showing little signs of life so thats good :borat: all 10 of the PF jars are about 15-40% colonized, lucky for no contams so far. i looked closer at my PF jars and they got compacted a bit during the PCing process, about 1/2 an inch (should've just steamed em but its w/e at least they're coming along i just need to be careful to not disturb the verm barrier.) I have a feeling my monos are going to be fruiting before these guys haha but not anytime soon. I took a few pics but was too lazy to take pics all the jars, :bonghit2:


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    #22542035 - 11/18/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes BRF cakes always do that. Flour compacts under heat. I think I mentioned that I inoculated my grains after my cakes and ended up fruiting them first. Grains rock IMO. even the idea of having 4 inches of sub with a proper casing layer is worth the extra trouble (if there is any to begin with)


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    #22542083 - 11/18/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going out of town for thanksgiving so these guys will be alone for a week hopefully when i get back the PF jars will be near or or ready for 1 week consolidation and the grains will probably be ready for a shake if they don't go bad. I think after this ill be sticking mostly to grain, its honestly easier than PF with a PC and a SAB. At least oats were easy af to prep


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    #22542887 - 11/18/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hopefully your grains won't even need a shake if you shook them hard.  The mycellium will be decently distrubted and give a good enough spread such that the recovery from shaking will be counterproductive.

Yeah cakes are a PITA compared to grains in most respects.  Only good so you know you won't get fucked by endospores when making slurry.


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    #22543054 - 11/18/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm going out of town for thanksgiving so these guys will be alone for a week hopefully when i get back the PF jars will be near or or ready for 1 week consolidation and the grains will probably be ready for a shake if they don't go bad. I think after this ill be sticking mostly to grain, its honestly easier than PF with a PC and a SAB. At least oats were easy af to prep




I have never done the PF Tek lol!

Grains seem simpler, or at least faster and more productive to me.

The PF Tek is somewhat less prone to contamination, because you have less steps to fruiting.


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    #22589954 - 11/29/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys long time no see. Hope you all had a good thanksgiving if you celebrate it. Anyways just some updates since i'm back home, the 10 PF jars are all colonized aside from one which has literally the size of a pinky nail left to take over. These guys will probably be ready for birthing in a week.  :fuckyeahdance: The grain jars are about 30% colonized, i'm debating on whether or not i should shake bc it's already pretty spread out. Anyways guys thanks here are pictures


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    #22590203 - 11/29/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Looking good homez.  Shake dem bitches.  If there's one thing I've accumulated a lot of in this hoby, it's jars that I regret not shaking.  They always look promising, then creep accross the last fuckin' 10% of the course of two weeks or some shit.  Shake'm now and they'll be 100% with like 5 days most likely, and every single one of them.

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    #22590343 - 11/29/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hell yeah I'mna give em a shake shake shake seniora, shake it all the time! Haha so stoked they're coming along well so far


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    #22591045 - 11/29/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Citric made a post years back that I follow about shaking jars. I believe in shaking quite regularly. Every 3 days or so I shake them til there is one colonized kernal every 1/2" of the jar... shake, let them recover and spread to a nearby grain, then shake again.


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    #22593599 - 11/30/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nice tote. Ull be tripping balls in no time :thumbup:.

I shake my jars a total of 3 times, sometimes 4. 30% is a good number to shake at. The longest time to shake IME is for the first one since all the growth will be in one spot. After the first shake colonisation will speed up dramatically.

I bet you will harvest your cakes before mine. I think something is wrong with them, they have been in SGFC for 3-4weeks+. They are covered with knots and have a few pins but they are growing sòooooo slow. Not gonna lose any sleep over them though, my monotubs are the centre of attention at the moment :lol:.

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    #22613186 - 12/04/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

would you guys consider this 100% or should i wait a little longer to dunk and spawn?


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    #22613311 - 12/04/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know how oats tend to look.  I know they tend have less mycellium visible externally.  I would give it another couple days to really wrap itself around everything in the jar as well.


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    #22613796 - 12/04/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Woof and Mach, I'll give em a few more days


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    #22642614 - 12/11/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Update now all cakes are pinning and a few of the very first pins are maturing albeit very strangely. Thanks again and any constructive criticism would be appreciated, one of the two fat ass pins seems to have stopped growing and is barely unfurling its cap on one side. Is this due to too much/too little water or maybe genetics, something else. This isnt multispore but i only did one transfer before using a large chunk to make a LI so im wondering if its genetics, a few other small pins did this too when the cap and veil starts to be appearant but i picked them b/c i though they were fucked or something. they look like little bowling pins smiling so im hoping it's genetics haha, they're only opening on one side. Haha anyways im rambling, thanks again for the help guys ill keep ya posted!


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    #22643737 - 12/11/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Good job man! Is this your first grow? I have had weird growing pins my first flush/and grow but mine were multispore inocs. Second flush they grew like beatiful specimens! And one tip i could offer is in your mist/fan technique (not saying you have a problem) I find it best to do it 5 times a day and never spray directly onto mushrooms/cakes mist into the air above REALLY improved my yeilds because i was miss-lead into spraying directly. Oh and if you enjoy being a tad bit more patient then try casing layer next they are alot of fun and yeild is a bit better in my experience!!


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: medicinalSOULfood]
    #22643952 - 12/11/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Good job man! Is this your first grow? I have had weird growing pins my first flush/and grow but mine were multispore inocs. Second flush they grew like beatiful specimens! And one tip i could offer is in your mist/fan technique (not saying you have a problem) I find it best to do it 5 times a day and never spray directly onto mushrooms/cakes mist into the air above REALLY improved my yeilds because i was miss-lead into spraying directly. Oh and if you enjoy being a tad bit more patient then try casing layer next they are alot of fun and yeild is a bit better in my experience!!




Thanks dude i appreciate it! And yeah im still trying to get the misting thing down, i appreciate the tips man. Can't wait to harvest these bad boys and get my munch on.  :prettyflyforawhiteguy:


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22644139 - 12/11/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Not a problem, next step after harvest is gonna be drying though, you gotta have a game plan for picking them and drying properly. Fan drying first and a drying agent like damprid are basically necessary to get cracker dry mushrooms. Fresh are always far better than dry however soon you will have more than you can eat (properly) in a weeks time.


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    #22644180 - 12/11/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

heat and air movement is all you need, fuck damprid.


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: medicinalSOULfood]
    #22644472 - 12/11/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I got a dehydrator about a month ago haha, been making tons of dried apples and bannanas for hiking haha. I hervested the chunky fat fruits about 3 hours ago and threw them beezies in :hellyeah: thanks everyone for the info on here.


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    #22647752 - 12/12/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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heat and air movement is all you need, fuck damprid.




Yea kinda been learning this the hard way. I dont like to have my shit out drying while im at work for 8+ hours. Paranoid about the landlord randomly coming in to check on whatever. Throwing them in an air tight container with damprid and putting it under my bed gives me peace of mind lol.


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: medicinalSOULfood]
    #22647755 - 12/12/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Put some mangoes on the top tray of the dehydrator or some shit?


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    #22647883 - 12/12/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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heat and air movement is all you need, fuck damprid.



Yeah man, ive got about an eighth dried so far, these shrooms are smaller so they are literally bone dry (dropping them would break them to pieces) in like 3-5 hours. Dehydrators seem like the way to go forsure. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/psilocybin/psilocybin_chemistry.shtml the quicker you get them dry also locks in the potency as long as you don't exceed 170* degrees C which exceeds all dehydrators haha. I think the heat destroys psilocin/psilocybin is bs at dehydrator-able temps. Haveing H2O or any O seems to be what kills potency more than anything. Psilocin degrades so quick in O it wasnt even measured in a water solution only alcohol. A dehydrator is a worthwhile investment in this hobby for 60$.


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22647993 - 12/12/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Lol, $60 and dehydrating an 8th.  You aren't exactly peacocking your shroomery rep here my man...


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22648046 - 12/12/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

haha you should see these cakes dude, the shrooms are so tiny aside from a few decent ones. Idk whatsup with em but i'm happy with an eighth flush off that cake with those fatties


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22648055 - 12/12/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Cakes have never impressed me TBH.  They always seem really inocsistent, like they run out of water hard core if they get a good pinset.


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22648151 - 12/12/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

that's what i thinks going on. It has tons of shrooms but they only dry to like .2-.3 aside from a few normal sized ones but honestly i don't mind little shrooms, they're easy to munch on haha


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22648928 - 12/13/15 05:28 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Time to give monotubs a try then. Ull have too much mushrooms to know what to do with with just 1 minitub :lol:


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    #22649819 - 12/13/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Hell yeah woke up to these bad boys  
I've got one 66qt almost at 100% but i'm leaving out of town the 20th for two weeks so if she ain't fruiting by then i'll have to toss it.


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    #22651610 - 12/13/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

The tub? Hells no, fruit it and let it be, tubs dont need attention like cakes do, at least on the first flush. Most people don't need to mist it even once on first flush(especially if you hydrate grains before spawning). Tubs are cool like that, set and forget.

It will take about 10-14 days to pin anyway so even if you fruit it a few days before you leave it will almost be time to harvest by the time you get back. Worst that could happen is they drop a  shitload of spores by the time you get there.


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22652417 - 12/13/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I'd rather not leave it set up unsupervised for 2 weeks. My landlord has to give a month notice if theres gonna be inspections, etc. so thats not what i'm worried about. however, ive read tons of stories about a fire in shared apartments and the fire dept finds shit and then they call cops. I know it probably wont happen but i don't wana take the risk. Plus i really wana try out some new varieties of cubes


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    #22652426 - 12/13/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You should get a good flush before you leave as long as the temp is above 65F, as I've said before.  Especially from multispore, you can expect slightly scragley flushes, but I think it will be mostly done before you're gone and you can feel fine about tossing it.

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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22655643 - 12/14/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I'd rather not leave it set up unsupervised for 2 weeks. My landlord has to give a month notice if theres gonna be inspections, etc. so thats not what i'm worried about. however, ive read tons of stories about a fire in shared apartments and the fire dept finds shit and then they call cops. I know it probably wont happen but i don't wana take the risk. Plus i really wana try out some new varieties of cubes




Ahh I see, that makes sense. Sucks but it makes sense. Looks like your landlord is one of those fags who does not appreciate privacy. Sure its his apartment but there is nothing wrong with calling before he makes himself at home. Thats what my landlord used to do if he needed to check up on me/came for the rent. He wouldnt even go in for his money alone when I was working strange hours.


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22658925 - 12/15/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Haha my landlord/prop managers are actually pretty cool. As long as the rents on time they really don't care what we tenants do haha, my neighbor grows weed haha. It'd be some freak incident like the place catching fire then the fire dept having to break in and find that shit that scares me the most. That honestly seems to be how most people get caught. But  :goodnews: is  the mono is pinning :smile:


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    #22658970 - 12/15/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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But  :goodnews: is  the mono is pinning :smile:



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    #22664490 - 12/16/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i got you mayne :billymaythumbup:


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    #22665240 - 12/16/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

That's a really good looking pinset man.


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22665656 - 12/16/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22667058 - 12/17/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Mach, i wouldn't have been able to do any of this without the help you all have given me. I'll update come harvest time!


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    #22668457 - 12/17/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You wanna pour about a cup of water into the liner once they start expanding.  That pinset looks like it will really tax the substrate for water.

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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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    #22668632 - 12/17/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22669424 - 12/17/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Haha i'm still beating myself up over it.  :badtrip: hahaha at least im starting up this PE6. They should be interesting its already way more aggressive on agar than the b+ even though it was just about the same age as the b+


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    #22669458 - 12/17/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, that's quite interesting.  Throw down any redboy?  I'm curious if it goes tomentose for you.  It was tomentose as hell on sirion's agar, as it is on mine.

With a variety used by less n00bs like pe6, you may have gotten a print from a strong isolate rather than a random cake grow like an FSRE B+ print would be apt to come from.

Regardless, I'm sure you can get something good from any cubie, and your B+ tub is looking awesome.  I'll definitely try it for shits and g's.  I've talked so much shit about its name I'm sure it'll be my favorite.  Karma at work on a pathetically small scale.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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    #22671790 - 12/18/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't gotten around to the redboy yet, i can't wait though  :goodnews: though, I have tons of time today, so i was gonna transfer some PE6 and start up the redboy as well.  :bearbreakdance:  but i'd say definitely give the B+ a go sometime, i'm pretty happy with it so far. cant wait to see how this tub turns out.


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    #22678933 - 12/20/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Harvested the mono last night, its gonna be a good holiday season  :trippydoc:  Took so long to clean the sub off all these little buggers. Anyways guys, this concludes this log, thanks for all the help you've given me through the process!


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    #22679417 - 12/20/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Damn, looks like you got ***ed on the harvest a bit.  3-4oz?


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    #22679814 - 12/20/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Probably around that haha, it definitely wasn't a pound or anything. I probably could've let em grow a bit more but had to dip this morning. But still pretty stoked for the first mono. There were tons of pins underneath the maturer shrooms I picked so it would've been cool to see the second flush. But next tubs imna plan better for. I'mna do 1 redboy and one pe6 :smile: B+ was a good starter though, small but pretty fruits, and have more than enough shrooms to trip on and share. Already gave away about an oz to a friend and have a whole fatty ziplock left (: more shrooms than I've ever personally owned


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    #22679844 - 12/20/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I thought you still had over a week to get a second flush.  Even if you pulled all the pins, mist that bitch 'n see what you get.  How much spawn was that?


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22679996 - 12/20/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I found with B+ is the first flush produce smaller size and amount.
The second flush always much better, and when you think it's all over expect a couple more flushes..

So don't think it's over yet...:lol:

My last two 66 quart tubs,
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2. tub: 2700g. wet..


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Re: So stoked, finally got spores: B+ [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22682733 - 12/21/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I  had to head out if I was gonna make Xmas with the family. But I used 6qts spawn in this tub, when you get the prints I'd definitely say give B+ a go I'm  pretty happy with it. I really wish I could've seen the second flush though but there's always next time


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    #22682743 - 12/21/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah man, I would've loved to even able to stick it out and see how the next flush would've been. Those yields you got sound killer!


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