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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: professorFATTYCAP]
    #22449536 - 10/29/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It could be the agar but i bought MEA powder from one of the shroomerys sponsors so i hope it would come with the right nutes, i'm thinking maybe its the cold (always around 60 degrees F in the room) and just weak spores. after turning on a space heater for 1 hour intervals every 12 hours it seemed to help the myc get a bit more thick, this is an overnight pic and it's already bulking up (:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22449568 - 10/29/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ya congrats man. Im just spawning my first mini mono tub myself.

Race ya to harvest? :p I got some 2nd transfers that might be isolated but they are still pretty young to know. Ill post them pics when they grow a lil to see if they are isolated or not. Doesn't seem like they are sectoeing yet so fingers crossed



Haha at this rate i think you'll beat me to harvest :awehigh: , haha I'm going to be happy if i get at least get a nice print or a few so i can keep on learning and experimenting (: Good luck on your grow too my dude! Ill stay posted!


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22450549 - 10/29/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It could be the agar but i bought MEA powder from one of the shroomerys sponsors so i hope it would come with the right nutes, i'm thinking maybe its the cold (always around 60 degrees F in the room) and just weak spores. after turning on a space heater for 1 hour intervals every 12 hours it seemed to help the myc get a bit more thick, this is an overnight pic and it's already bulking up (:





You do know mycelium grows most when ur not looking right? :wink:

When I forget about my jars/plates for a couple of days im always like; whoa!


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22451014 - 10/29/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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It could be the agar but i bought MEA powder from one of the shroomerys sponsors so i hope it would come with the right nutes, i'm thinking maybe its the cold (always around 60 degrees F in the room) and just weak spores. after turning on a space heater for 1 hour intervals every 12 hours it seemed to help the myc get a bit more thick, this is an overnight pic and it's already bulking up (:





You do know mycelium grows most when ur not looking right? :wink:

When I forget about my jars/plates for a couple of days im always like; whoa!



Haha i know i need to stop checking it every few hours hahah, it's hard though on the first grow. it's all so exciting haha :offthehook:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22487018 - 11/06/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just a update:
Took a transfer from this initial plate on Halloween and then it grew out to this .
I let that go for a few days until it looked a bit more like this I used the growth from #1, (which looked nearly identical to the #5 transfer above except it was a bit more aggressive and thicker), to make a LI, thanks Muda and his LI blender tek, and used the LI to inoc. 10 jars this morning.
I'll keep you all posted on the status of the jars, lets hope they make it! :thumbup: thanks again everyone for the help and info available on here. :smile:


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22489386 - 11/07/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22491386 - 11/07/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

For some reason my LI always takes like 6 days to get rolling.  I'm not sure why.  I blend it the minimum time that I can (like 2 seconds.)  Planning on doing more slurry for that reason, but yeah.  Even so, the expansion factor on LI is great however fast it might be.

A jar lid with a polyfill port in the edge is really nice if you're using a large syringe and aspirating the LI.  Otherwise I find the syringe is above the LI for an uncomfortably long time.  Those 60cc's are really difficult to aspirate with one hand.

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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22491517 - 11/07/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I was really worried about over blending it, i couldn't get it completely blended but i'm using 16 gauge syringe for inoc so i was able to suck up some chunks. I used about a quarter sized chunk of agar and blended it with about 30 ccs of sterilized water. I used just under less than 1cc per jar. (filled a 10cc syringe with the LI and had about 3cc left after inocing all 10 jars 4 injection holes) I hope It was enough. idk haha time will tell Ill keep you guys updated on the progress!


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22491542 - 11/07/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Are you doing PF tek?  With that blend ratio it should be pretty strong, but at least for quart jars muda uses 10ccs (which I coppied.)  It does get everywhere with that quantity so subsequent shakes aren't necessarry usually.

If you're doing grains shake'm up (assuming you aren't using any kind of verm barrier setup.)  And if you have a small syringe, you can pour the LI out of the jar instead of dicking around with a 10cc.  Just keep swirling it around between jars to keep the mycellium agitated.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22491672 - 11/07/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, i'm just doing PF tek for my first go. I might try bulk once i get a few grows under my belt but when I was looking into spawning grains to bulk, those yields would be more than I'd ever need or know what to do with haha. I wouldn't want to get caught with 1 half pound + dried.


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    #22491704 - 11/07/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, I assumed since you were using agar you'd be doing a grain based grow.  Even if you don't want shittons of shrooms, grains are the way the to go in terms of time efficiency.

Like you can grab a foil pan with a plastic shotgun lid and spawn 1qt of grains to 2 quarts of coir and probably pull an oz or two off it easily.  I need to make a guide on those things.  You could also do the same sub in say a $3 15qt sterilite tiny monotub.  No need to worry about fruiting clearance on these things, the mushrooms will grow sideways if they can't grow up, especially if the light source isn't directly above them.

Cakes are kinda specialized for dirty inoculant and no pressure cooker, neither of which are problems you have.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22491823 - 11/07/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Like you can grab a foil pan with a plastic shotgun lid and spawn 1qt of grains to 2 quarts of coir and probably pull an oz or two off it easily.




Hell yea.... I've used those pans quite a few times and like the results. Those are great for smaller sized bulk sub grows. And at 2/$1 use 'em then toss.


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    #22492319 - 11/07/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Do you think shredding and casing these PF cakes in a couple of those aluminum baking trays or a 15 qt with Coir, Verm and Gypsum would up the yield enough to since i already nocced up the PF jars. Or is it not really worth the effort/contam risk to case cakes v.s. grains? Thinking on it pulling a few ozs of a single grow would definitely be worth it, that'd last me a good, good while. I'd just need to do a bit more reading on casing/how to make bulk subs. My main reason for starting with agar though was b/c i didnt know if the print would be clean because it was an FSRE donation, haha but it turned out to be perfect. :aliendance: The main difference between casing and bulk is that a casing isn't nutritious but bulk sub is? If so how come Coir seems to be able to be used as a bulk? Sorry for all the questions. I'm doing my own research too but it's good to get input back


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    #22492413 - 11/07/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yea you can crumble the cakes but the main difference from grain to brf is the speed of colonisation. Inoculated my grains after my cakes and they were ready about a week or more before. Keep in mind I did grains in quarts and brf in pints. I find that mycelium has a hard time going through the brf. Maybe because it becomes hard after being exposed to the heat during sterilisation. Why not leave the cakes as a pf style and In the meantime make a couple of quart jars with grains to make small trays. Like those 1l trays kits come in. I filled a 22l mini tub with 4 inches of substrate with 4 quarts of grain so a little goes a long way since you would be doubling it at least

Saw a post of a TC when I first started that said that mycelium do get some nutes from coir. I think he said that anything it colonises it will be getting something from it.

I would say that bulk is the process of adding an uncolonised material(whatever it is) to colonised spawn but im not sure about it. Thats how I always understood it.


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This is how my tub is looking like atm. Fruited it at like 50%colonisation which is a bit late so its fully colonised now. Shouldn't be a problem with cubes though or so I read.



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    #22492422 - 11/07/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you think shredding and casing these PF cakes in a couple of those aluminum baking trays or a 15 qt with Coir, Verm and Gypsum would up the yield enough to since i already nocced up the PF jars. Or is it not really worth the effort/contam risk to case cakes v.s. grains? Thinking on it pulling a few ozs of a single grow would definitely be worth it, that'd last me a good, good while. I'd just need to do a bit more reading on casing/how to make bulk subs. My main reason for starting with agar though was b/c i didnt know if the print would be clean because it was an FSRE donation, haha but it turned out to be perfect. :aliendance: The main difference between casing and bulk is that a casing isn't nutritious but bulk sub is? If so how come Coir seems to be able to be used as a bulk? Sorry for all the questions. I'm doing my own research too but it's good to get input back





I've seen a few nice spawned PF grows, it would definitely be okay to do.  There's a lot of overlap between bulk substrates and casing materials, and not just coir.  Vermiculite can also be used a bulk substrate.

The main point of a bulk substrate is to provide watermass to expend the nutritional capacity of grains in cube growing.  Spawning to vermiculite would be the ultimate example of that.  Other subs that are slightly more nutritious such as coir help improve yield by at least providing enough nutrition for the mycellium to recoup the energy expendature of trippling its size.

So what makes it a casing is really its usage and not what it is.  If you put coir ontop, let it partially colonize, and fruit, you are using it to provide humidity at the substrate surface, low nutrition pinning sites, and aid in moisture retention.  If you spawn to it you are using it for its watermass.

Alternatively, the oldschool trays of cased PF cakes (often called "casings,") where casing material was placed inbetween and above the cakes, were in a sense a bulk substrate even though they used peat and verm, since they were providing additional watermass.  The top layer also functioned as an actual casing layer.

I wouldn't bother spawning the cakes since you have grain capabilities.  Go to a bargainmarket/dollarstore and grab some Whole Brown Rice.  Hydrate it and use it as spawn.  I can detail how I go about it if you're interested.  Pick up some quart twist top polypropylene (pp5, recycling code 5) containers if you don't have any jars.  These require no modification and can be pressure cooked with the lid loosened slightly.  Just twist it shut as you remove it from the PC.  Once you have you grain spawn, drop a wedge in it.  A pound of brown rice makes about 2 quarts 2/3 full.

Also, by fruiting your cakes as cakes, you aren't mixing up the strains in each cake, which will make cloning a good fruit/cluster and isolating easier and possibly give you a more diverse selection to choose from.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22492465 - 11/07/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Like you can grab a foil pan with a plastic shotgun lid and spawn 1qt of grains to 2 quarts of coir and probably pull an oz or two off it easily.




Hell yea.... I've used those pans quite a few times and like the results. Those are great for smaller sized bulk sub grows. And at 2/$1 use 'em then toss.



I think I might try this out and get a small bulk going as well i still have some of the transfer plates that i could use to get a couple grain jars going.

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Yea you can crumble the cakes but the main difference from grain to brf is the speed of colonisation. Inoculated my grains after my cakes and they were ready about a week or more before. Keep in mind I did grains in quarts and brf in pints. I find that mycelium has a hard time going through the brf. Maybe because it becomes hard after being exposed to the heat during sterilisation. Why not leave the cakes as a pf style and In the meantime make a couple of quart jars with grains to make small trays. Like those 1l trays kits come in. I filled a 22l mini tub with 4 inches of substrate with 4 quarts of grain so a little goes a long way since you would be doubling it at least

Saw a post of a TC when I first started that said that mycelium do get some nutes from coir. I think he said that anything it colonises it will be getting something from it.

I would say that bulk is the process of adding an uncolonised material(whatever it is) to colonised spawn but im not sure about it. Thats how I always understood it.



I may give grains a go, what is a good grain to use? I've seen so many from rye, wbs, oats, popcorn, etc. Is it just preference?


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22492503 - 11/07/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you think shredding and casing these PF cakes in a couple of those aluminum baking trays or a 15 qt with Coir, Verm and Gypsum would up the yield enough to since i already nocced up the PF jars. Or is it not really worth the effort/contam risk to case cakes v.s. grains? Thinking on it pulling a few ozs of a single grow would definitely be worth it, that'd last me a good, good while. I'd just need to do a bit more reading on casing/how to make bulk subs. My main reason for starting with agar though was b/c i didnt know if the print would be clean because it was an FSRE donation, haha but it turned out to be perfect. :aliendance: The main difference between casing and bulk is that a casing isn't nutritious but bulk sub is? If so how come Coir seems to be able to be used as a bulk? Sorry for all the questions. I'm doing my own research too but it's good to get input back





I've seen a few nice spawned PF grows, it would definitely be okay to do.  There's a lot of overlap between bulk substrates and casing materials, and not just coir.  Vermiculite can also be used a bulk substrate.

The main point of a bulk substrate is to provide watermass to expend the nutritional capacity of grains in cube growing.  Spawning to vermiculite would be the ultimate example of that.  Other subs that are slightly more nutritious such as coir help improve yield by at least providing enough nutrition for the mycellium to recoup the energy expendature of trippling its size.

So what makes it a casing is really its usage and not what it is.  If you put coir ontop, let it partially colonize, and fruit, you are using it to provide humidity at the substrate surface, low nutrition pinning sites, and aid in moisture retention.  If you spawn to it you are using it for its watermass.

Alternatively, the oldschool trays of cased PF cakes (often called "casings,") where casing material was placed inbetween and above the cakes, were in a sense a bulk substrate even though they used peat and verm, since they were providing additional watermass.  The top layer also functioned as an actual casing layer.

I wouldn't bother spawning the cakes since you have grain capabilities.  Go to a bargainmarket/dollarstore and grab some Whole Brown Rice.  Hydrate it and use it as spawn.  I can detail how I go about it if you're interested.  Pick up some quart twist top polypropylene (pp5, recycling code 5) containers if you don't have any jars.  These require no modification and can be pressure cooked with the lid loosened slightly.  Just twist it shut as you remove it from the PC.  Once you have you grain spawn, drop a wedge in it.  A pound of brown rice makes about 2 quarts 2/3 full.

Also, by fruiting your cakes as cakes, you aren't mixing up the strains in each cake, which will make cloning a good fruit/cluster and isolating easier and possibly give you a more diverse selection to choose from.



Wow i didn't even think of using whole brown rice, i have shit tons of it sitting in the cupboard haha Its delicious in stews/soups. Anyways I think this is the tek i'd use, http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir coir and verm are much easier to get than hpoo/straw, etc. I don't really understand why you don't PC it though, boiling water is enough to sterilize/pasteurize bulk subs? It seems grains are the only thing you need to PC besides tools/agar/etc?


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Re: So stoked, finally got the spores to start my 1st grow! [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22492517 - 11/07/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Id say preference.

Personally I like popcorn best. Easy to shake apart. I have tried millet a d spelt also but I can never break them apart even at piping hot. Myc tears through the millet fast im guessing its the nute content but it's the worst to break.

A lot of people seem to like rye im guessing any of the "big" grains break up much easier than the smaller ones. I would start with any of those.


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    #22492528 - 11/07/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you think shredding and casing these PF cakes in a couple of those aluminum baking trays or a 15 qt with Coir, Verm and Gypsum would up the yield enough to since i already nocced up the PF jars. Or is it not really worth the effort/contam risk to case cakes v.s. grains? Thinking on it pulling a few ozs of a single grow would definitely be worth it, that'd last me a good, good while. I'd just need to do a bit more reading on casing/how to make bulk subs. My main reason for starting with agar though was b/c i didnt know if the print would be clean because it was an FSRE donation, haha but it turned out to be perfect. :aliendance: The main difference between casing and bulk is that a casing isn't nutritious but bulk sub is? If so how come Coir seems to be able to be used as a bulk? Sorry for all the questions. I'm doing my own research too but it's good to get input back





I've seen a few nice spawned PF grows, it would definitely be okay to do.  There's a lot of overlap between bulk substrates and casing materials, and not just coir.  Vermiculite can also be used a bulk substrate.

The main point of a bulk substrate is to provide watermass to expend the nutritional capacity of grains in cube growing.  Spawning to vermiculite would be the ultimate example of that.  Other subs that are slightly more nutritious such as coir help improve yield by at least providing enough nutrition for the mycellium to recoup the energy expendature of trippling its size.

So what makes it a casing is really its usage and not what it is.  If you put coir ontop, let it partially colonize, and fruit, you are using it to provide humidity at the substrate surface, low nutrition pinning sites, and aid in moisture retention.  If you spawn to it you are using it for its watermass.

Alternatively, the oldschool trays of cased PF cakes (often called "casings,") where casing material was placed inbetween and above the cakes, were in a sense a bulk substrate even though they used peat and verm, since they were providing additional watermass.  The top layer also functioned as an actual casing layer.

I wouldn't bother spawning the cakes since you have grain capabilities.  Go to a bargainmarket/dollarstore and grab some Whole Brown Rice.  Hydrate it and use it as spawn.  I can detail how I go about it if you're interested.  Pick up some quart twist top polypropylene (pp5, recycling code 5) containers if you don't have any jars.  These require no modification and can be pressure cooked with the lid loosened slightly.  Just twist it shut as you remove it from the PC.  Once you have you grain spawn, drop a wedge in it.  A pound of brown rice makes about 2 quarts 2/3 full.

Also, by fruiting your cakes as cakes, you aren't mixing up the strains in each cake, which will make cloning a good fruit/cluster and isolating easier and possibly give you a more diverse selection to choose from.



Wow i didn't even think of using whole brown rice, i have shit tons of it sitting in the cupboard haha Its delicious in stews/soups. Anyways I think this is the tek i'd use, http://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir coir and verm are much easier to get than hpoo/straw, etc. I don't really understand why you don't PC it though, boiling water is enough to sterilize/pasteurize bulk subs? It seems grains are the only thing you need to PC besides tools/agar/etc?





Yes because the grains will be enclosed in the jar and therefore protected from contams. When you are spawning its much easier for contams to get a foothold in sterilised straw. With pasteurisation some bacteria remain so molds will have a much harder time colonising it

Edit: personally I pasteurise coir and verm with my peat even though people say I could do without it. It think they say that because those could be bought dry and nothing lives in dry substrate.


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People PC coir to cook it, which supposedly breaks it down making the nutrients more accessible.

The only issue with buckettek is that it doesn't work well for smaller quantites due to inferior heat retention.  When I do a pan, I just hack say 160g off the brick with a claw hammer, hydrate with 1qt boiling water in a microwave safe 2+qt container, let it sit for about 30 minutes with the lid on, then put it in the microwave for another 10 minutes.

Main point again being to cook it.  Otherwise using untreated coir would be fine.  Hypothetically the spore load on the coir is being reduced if there was any to start with, and there don't seem to be any beneficial bacteria to preserve by doing real pasteurization.

Boiling water hydrates it quite a bit better than cold water as well.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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