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InvisibleJokeshopbeard
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When you're up
    #22418390 - 10/22/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Do you find yourself having intrusive thoughts about coming down again?

Everytime I reach a new peak in my life, I find my mind occasionally wandering off thinking about how some event will come along soon to knock me back down to earth.

Has anyone here mastered the art of consistently riding the wave?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: When you're up [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22418853 - 10/22/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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InvisibleCosmicJokeM
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Re: When you're up [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22418917 - 10/22/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

/cough

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CosmicJoke said:
so i had one of those big trips
and i spontaneously went into om mani padme hum mantra
and i  was radiating so much luminosity, clear light, good vibes....
and now it's just as easy as breathing
and i'm just wondering how long it will be before some stressful event will set off a chain reaction of cranky karma, a blind wheel

:strokebeard:





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It wasn't that long ago that the sound of the om came to me during meditation. Since then I have read into the mantra and found it very much resonates with me. To the point that I repeat it daily, and I even went and got it tattooed on my neck (you know I'm a tattoo freak anyway!).

I gotta say, I believe it's brought a lot of positivity into my life. It very much encapsulates what I am striving for in my life.

I know exactly what you mean about the wondering when the cranky time is gonna pull the rug out from under your feet though. In years gone by I would very quickly go towards contemplating that after I had had a very positive experience.

As time goes by though, I find myself no longer wondering when the next stressful situation is gonna come along. Rather, stress is always around me at some varying level - it just seems like it no longer bothers me that much - I can just overlook it and keep following what I believe to be my truest path.

If I really think hard about it, I know that it's gonna come, but I definitely no longer default to that after life has delivered me a nice chunk of good vibes.

Does any of that resonate?




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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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InvisibleCosmicJokeM
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Re: When you're up [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22419056 - 10/22/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Anyways, you and I seem to have something in common, we both wish to be high, live high, rather than just get high.  No easy feat, my friend. 

Going to hell in bucket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: When you're up [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22419203 - 10/22/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

weird i feel i have experienced this too.. like constantly trying to wrestle with my mind... but i dont think about it as much any more, like i have accepted or been defeated....

something i have been thinking about:
you can live your life focusing on your single identity and sense of self, or you try seek out new ones as situations allow.

for soemone who has spent alot of time within myself i now recognise the great value of the second approach for more colour and social perspective to enter your life...

it feels false but i think it is more true to what your social identies actually are. i notice people make themselves dumber and sillier than they actually are when socialising. this isnt just to make them more approachable but also to give them control....

like their identity is a their small silly puppet which they are controlling from behind, rather than something that they are embodied within (and is being controlled by the outside world)....


Edited by quinn (10/22/15 05:24 PM)


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Re: When you're up [Re: quinn]
    #22419352 - 10/22/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, for five years I had been living in an idealic spot in Portland until my landlady lost her job and decided to sell my house.  She asked me if I wanted to buy it, the house was listed at $600k (I honestly thought the house was only worth maybe $350k), and I declined because I simply couldn't afford it without making massive lifestyle changes.... That was a blow to the ego, I felt like an unsuccessful man because I couldn't buy the house and there simply are no rental vacancies in Portland in that area, at least in my budget of roughly $2k/mo.  So I had to move about 17 blocks further eastwards, no longer surrounded by hundreds of restaurants and concert/theatre venues etc I enjoyed being immersed in.

A big thing for me has been to learn to judge myself less harshly and start appreciating myself more and what I do have, like this beautiful extinct volcano is my back yard (Mt. Tabor) and there's a quaint little coffee shop, pizza place, and pho shop a short walk away, a corner store across the street, a major bus line that runs about every 10 mins most of the day... I still get to read books, watch films, meditate, use psychedelics, and enjoy companionship with great friends. There's so much to appreciate, but I had to adapt and change my point of view.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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InvisibleJokeshopbeard
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Re: When you're up [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22419493 - 10/22/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

CosmicJoke said:
Anyways, you and I seem to have something in coming, we both wish to be high, live high, rather than just get high.  No easy feat, my friend. 

Going to hell in bucket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride.



You hit the nail as squarely on the head as I've ever seen right there brother!!

CJ, you are one sharp dude. I'm loving being on this ride with you.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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InvisibleJokeshopbeard
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Re: When you're up [Re: quinn]
    #22419504 - 10/22/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

quinn said:
you can live your life focusing on your single identity and sense of self, or you try seek out new ones as situations allow.



I was actually talking with someone about this the other day - he hypothesised that we can potentially be a lot happier if we allow our perceptions of ourself and our beliefs to flow and change minute by minute.

I really think he (and you) are on to something. I've still no idea how to put such a concept into practice however!!


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: When you're up [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22419793 - 10/22/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Do you find yourself having intrusive thoughts about coming down again?

Everytime I reach a new peak in my life, I find my mind occasionally wandering off thinking about how some event will come along soon to knock me back down to earth.

Has anyone here mastered the art of consistently riding the wave?




this is a reason Buddha taught 'anatta'

https://www.bing.com/search?q=no+self+anatta&qs=SC&pq=no+self%2c+anata&sc=1-14&sp=1&cvid=24f4aeff0cfa4746bfc0b033d118f60f&FORM=QBLH

as long as there is attachment to the notion of a fixed, permenant, seperate self there is some frustration/stress ... according to this teaching

because all manifest phenomenon are subject to impermanence
true rest, lasting satisfaction cannot be found there
the so called self that is seeking the satisfaction also belongs to the realm of phenomenon


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Re: When you're up [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22426276 - 10/24/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It's quite common i think, that whether it be when things are going nicely generally in life, or a great moment of deep seeing in meditation, that's when the mind can begin to creep back in with some fear, doubts... trying to regain a foothold in your consciousness. Really when it's all lovely it's not going to get any better the more you think about it, so i find that it's good to be vigilant, sense the thoughts coming back in and just stay aware, don't believe it/don't feed it, stay as you are.

I don't think you can escape the ups & downs of life as duality is part of creation, although you can recognize that what you essentially are is not going up or down, thereby finding deeper peace as your identity is less engrossed in the ups & downs. I also think it's wise to not get caught up in the highs, as if you don't desire to stay high forever then you won't be disappointed when life inevitably ebbs & flows... surfs up!


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Re: When you're up [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #22426554 - 10/24/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Do you find yourself having intrusive thoughts about coming down again?

Everytime I reach a new peak in my life, I find my mind occasionally wandering off thinking about how some event will come along soon to knock me back down to earth.

Has anyone here mastered the art of consistently riding the wave?




not really tbh because i value contentment over emotional highs.


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Re: When you're up [Re: White Beard]
    #22426585 - 10/24/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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White Beard said:
Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Do you find yourself having intrusive thoughts about coming down again?

Everytime I reach a new peak in my life, I find my mind occasionally wandering off thinking about how some event will come along soon to knock me back down to earth.

Has anyone here mastered the art of consistently riding the wave?




not really tbh because i value contentment over emotional highs.




agreed, me too


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Re: When you're up [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22426910 - 10/24/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Been Down So Long (great read)



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Re: When you're up [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22427139 - 10/24/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
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White Beard said:
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Do you find yourself having intrusive thoughts about coming down again?

Everytime I reach a new peak in my life, I find my mind occasionally wandering off thinking about how some event will come along soon to knock me back down to earth.

Has anyone here mastered the art of consistently riding the wave?




not really tbh because i value contentment over emotional highs.




agreed, me too



I agree as well but not out of choice, more an acceptance of duality. What goes up must come down and vice versa. Ideally I'd be high (in whatever meaning) constantly, but I just don't think it's sustainable.

Maybe that's why shrooms build tolerance so easily, to teach us this idea? Food for thought.


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Re: When you're up [Re: White Beard] * 1
    #22429286 - 10/24/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Mostly I think it comes down to the judgmental mind, that you have to earn love, that your shortcomings, your lack of self-esteem, physical perfection, social and ecomic status deny you of feeling love just as you are.

Love isn't an active emotion like some claim, it's a state of being, it's a part of you, it's flowing through you, and it isn't going anywhere...

The deeper your heart, the higher your mind.  That's what's up, imo.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: When you're up [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22430482 - 10/25/15 04:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Do you find yourself having intrusive thoughts about coming down again?

Everytime I reach a new peak in my life, I find my mind occasionally wandering off thinking about how some event will come along soon to knock me back down to earth.

Has anyone here mastered the art of consistently riding the wave?




How do you know a wave is a wave?


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Re: When you're up [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22440131 - 10/27/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Being able to ride the wave constantly requires a person to have strengthened their will (awareness) to such a extent that they can be aware every thought as it soon as it arises, and witness it for what it is - illusion. The ebb and flow that we all experience is referred to as the principle of rhythm in the Hermetic tradition. A high is followed by and low, which is followed by a high etc. However, when we are in the high state if we can remain aware as we start to slip, then it is possible to transmute the down slope into an upslope. But it requires a person to build their strength of will to such an extent that we don't fall into unconsciousness and start following thoughts around when the downslope starts. The reason the intrusive thoughts are sending you down is because your will is not strong enough to rise above them yet.

Not sure if you are still active on TLSLC Jokeshop, but practical applications of this is exactly where it's headed.


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.

~ Rumi



The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
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