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Your ideal production setup? (Details inside)
#22418131 - 10/22/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you had reasonably (un)limited resources to produce a variety of different gourmet mushrooms to sell, what setups would you use? What techniques would you employ? What varieties would you grow?
It appears that I may be in such a situation in the very near future, and while I may have enough experience to pioneer this program on my own, I would love to have some well seasoned opinions on the matter. So let's discuss!
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: fruit]
#22419580 - 10/22/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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well the koreans have bottle systems with robots to where there's some species that never get touched by human hands from inoculation to harvesting it's all mechanized. but I dare say after a few years of growing for a living, at a certain point it becomes more difficult to sell than to grow. you can't just walk up to a gigantic food distributor who may sell hundreds of pounds of non button mushrooms every week and expect them to hand you a check. Basically, do some market research before you end up with a bunch of mushrooms and no one to buy them. if you want to sell exotic mushrooms (non oyster/shiitake) you pretty much will have to direct market them to chefs. the bottle factories on the west coast make it very difficult to compete on a wholesale level.
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: drake89]
#22419901 - 10/22/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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interesting, and good to know... thanks for the reply!
at the moment i am working for a university farm and we grow all of our food for what is called "the commons". not everything there is grown here, but were working on it.
imagine a cafeteria, on steroids, and thats the commons. 8 different stations, mostly everything made from scratch. it became what it is today and under the management of a mindful chef, and, being a very conscious eater, i can say that i enjoy eating there daily (it being free for me is of course a massive incentive).
anyways, long story short, at the moment i have a guaranteed buyer of anything i produce, and a potentially large budget to create a mushroom farm of my own design... now ive grown things as a hobby in the ol shotgun, but now that i have the potential to create this entire program singlehandedly, from the ground up, im curious to learn from those more experienced, as i dont know if several poor mans pods is going to cut it... maybe it will... what do you think? my initial thoughts go to mini greenhouse, but any knowledge i have on those is plant related. advice?
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: fruit]
#22421839 - 10/23/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i would go to a few different mushroom farms and see how they work. are you in the US? i know a very successful dutch grower that grows in second hand refrigerated cargo containers.
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: drake89]
#22422502 - 10/23/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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drake89 said: well the koreans have bottle systems with robots to where there's some species that never get touched by human hands from inoculation to harvesting it's all mechanized. but I dare say after a few years of growing for a living, at a certain point it becomes more difficult to sell than to grow. you can't just walk up to a gigantic food distributor who may sell hundreds of pounds of non button mushrooms every week and expect them to hand you a check. Basically, do some market research before you end up with a bunch of mushrooms and no one to buy them. if you want to sell exotic mushrooms (non oyster/shiitake) you pretty much will have to direct market them to chefs. the bottle factories on the west coast make it very difficult to compete on a wholesale level.
Hmm... Maybe farmer's markets?
Also, if you are somewhere like SF or NYC it might be a bit easier as there are a lot of restaurants places distribute to out of SF and it's the whole Bay Area. NYC might just be metro NYC for the most part.
I like the cargo container idea though XD
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: micro]
#22431001 - 10/25/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think i could do well with my personal ventures at farmers markets, or restaurants here in atlanta. there is a lot going on in the food world here.
but being more concerned with this work project at the moment... i guess my first step is to find out how much i'd need to produce. then determine whether i should go big or small with the operation. ill keep you guys posted as it develops.
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: fruit]
#22431146 - 10/25/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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fruit said: i think i could do well with my personal ventures at farmers markets, or restaurants here in atlanta. there is a lot going on in the food world here.
but being more concerned with this work project at the moment... i guess my first step is to find out how much i'd need to produce. then determine whether i should go big or small with the operation. ill keep you guys posted as it develops.
haha you've got a lot of competition down there already! I can count 3 farmers that I know in metro ATL.
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: drake89]
#22512807 - 11/12/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting. Wonder what sort of setup their using...
Made another post just a moment ago. Ive settled on the mini greenhouse style but ive never seen one on here this big. Itll be interesting. Feel free to comment over there. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22512795
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: fruit]
#22549272 - 11/19/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just curious, what were you thinking about growing?
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: CockasaurusRex]
#22554060 - 11/21/15 02:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just to be grandiose; This is the type of facility unlimited funding can produce
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: Groo]
#22625068 - 12/07/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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That video is glorious.
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: chickenbone]
#22637307 - 12/10/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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This video arghhh... touting their product to the limit by virtue of what, automated technology that is really geared to save money, not necessarily meaning it's a higher quality product than other farms or wild grown mushrooms..
How is it that double crane claims to be the best when they grow with sawdust bags? Incredible focus on technology and zero mention of potency compared to other comapnies, lots and lots of insinuations though. Something doesn't sound right. "trust us" ? Yea...
www.reishi.com/faq.htm+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DL7dK3erAOUJ:www.reishi.com/faq.htm+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us</a> " The natural wood log method, developed first by the Japanese, is the most complex form of cultivation and produces large red Reishi with superior quality."
"Producer of the best Reishi (Ganoderma, Lingzhi)" http://www.hokkaido-reishi.net/#!faq-and-benefits/c1u2p They can't all be the best!
http://www.ganoderma-for-health.com/ganoderma-extract.html Meanwhile, log wood cultivated Ganoderma is a few times more potent in its medicinal values. It is purer with higher content of beneficial active components.
http://acupuncturetoday.com/mpacms/at/article.php?id=32841 Reishi grown by this wood log technique is superb because it is natural, potent, clean and sustainable (ecologically sound)
https://oriveda.wordpress.com/reishi-the-quest-for-quality-report/ Reishi being cultivated in bags with wood chips and sawdust. For superior Reishi cultivation on wood logs is the only option, though.
Edited by invitro (12/10/15 07:50 AM)
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: invitro]
#22637958 - 12/10/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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How is it that double crane claims to be the best when they grow with sawdust bags? Incredible focus on technology and zero mention of potency compared to other comapnies, lots and lots of insinuations though. Something doesn't sound right. "trust us" ? Yea...
They quote the fact that they compare the chemical content of each clone they produce. Specially measuring the contexts my spectrometer and not stopping until quality thresholds are met and maintained.
You must have missed that part in the video. Watch again starting at 2:15 to 3 min
Their main focus is to cultivate a mushroom with as large nuber of effective ingredients as possible that can be coltivated with automated means.
I would read up on intilligent engineering compromises and apply that knowledge to science. I;d much rather trust double crane pharma than bayer. But I'd pay more for reishi from mr ghosty than from crane. http://www.hokkaido-reishi.net/#!faq-and-benefits/c1u2p also seems like a nice company to buy reishi from.
Edited by Groo (12/10/15 11:02 AM)
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: Groo]
#22638060 - 12/10/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your defending them? Wha? Dude cmon, it's an insult to your intelligence to tout the quality over and over and they don't even talk about the results of their "tests". They just say" we are superior, but we don't want to talk about the numbers, trust us". I didn't miss that part of the video, groo I think you need a healthy dose of skepticism, slick deceptions are all too common.
Notice how intentially vauge they are when they talk about how "after years of research they have finally come up a with a superior product"? What part is superior? Superior in terms of speed and reliability of production... maybe... they don't want to talk about levels of beneficial medical components, the true benchmark of quality. This video couldn't be more fishy the way the tout quality qualtiy quality over and over with no mention of hard numbers. Amazing how some people can't tell when people are being too slick, and hiding all the important facts.
Edited by invitro (12/10/15 11:29 AM)
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: invitro]
#22638150 - 12/10/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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You guys said IDEAL PRODUCTION SET UP..
Well folks They are the largest in china in 2012.
I don't know how much more ideal you can get...
Is the same quality there in a forest you happen to stumble on some reishi Probably not...
I don't think it is wise to tout down the claims of any bajonga cash pharmaceutical Especially the largest in china in 2012. I am also fortunate enough to afford to buy my reishi from a place like you provided in that link and know the difference.
More people in the world are taking reishi than ever before. If everyone gonna get some, This type of farming may become a necessity.
Edited by Groo (12/10/15 11:53 AM)
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: Groo]
#22638199 - 12/10/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Groo said: Well folks They are the largest in china in 2012.
I could rest my case on this statement alone, and I think I will.
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: invitro]
#22638259 - 12/10/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see my quick typing and grammar and spelling issues amuse you . Sorry I am not as openly hateful and angry at them for getting richer as you are. If you feel the need to laugh at this I applaud you.
Good job for trying to poke fun at your piers based on level of outrage/lack there of.
I'm outraged.. Just not open about it like you are. But I am not jealous of them like you are.
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: Groo]
#22638295 - 12/10/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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TKE DOUBLE CRANE DOWN !! I HATE THEM!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT BUY FROM THE<MMMM
Can we be friends now invitro SEE LOOK I THINK THE SAME AS YOU NOW!!!
Edited by Groo (12/10/15 12:26 PM)
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: Groo]
#22638364 - 12/10/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just want to see honesty in advertising, -IF- they have a superior product good, great, prove it by the numbers. But I don't like to see small farmers being looked down on as having an inferior product because they don't have the latest facilities (which I feel this video implies heavily by focusing on the high tech stuff and talking about how it ensures their product is 'quality'). I'm not even in that business it just irks me on general principle.
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Re: Your ideal production setup? (Details inside) [Re: invitro]
#22638390 - 12/10/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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They did show some pretty scraggly huts, don't think it was lost on me. It wasn't
It's the same thing with our automobiles
Quality barely good enough to make cars out of is the only way cars are made. That is the new face of "production." It is becoming commonplace and our outrage is being replaced with acceptance.
In light of their obvious manipulations, their reishi is probably excellent for you! If I had a choice to supplement with double crane reishi or none at all. I would happily consume the crane! So would you, I think.
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