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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22419125 - 10/22/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

But the US did luanch about  130 tommawks at 750k a piece . Just the french and brits pussed out like always.


Look at there success in mali........


And its not like this is causing the EU to be flooded with "refugees "


The Arab spring was the biggest faluire since after ww1 we didnt clean there commie clocks  sent a shit ton of weapons cost millions of lives and we got Stalin and Hitler out of the mess.


Now who will emerge from this shit show I dont know  these people and taft are far worse then carter or nixon dreamed off


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: trekie] * 1
    #22419222 - 10/22/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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trekie said:
But the US did luanch about  130 tommawks at 750k a piece . Just the french and brits pussed out like always.


Look at there success in mali........


And its not like this is causing the EU to be flooded with "refugees "


The Arab spring was the biggest faluire since after ww1 we didnt clean there commie clocks  sent a shit ton of weapons cost millions of lives and we got Stalin and Hitler out of the mess.


Now who will emerge from this shit show I dont know  these people and taft are far worse then carter or nixon dreamed off



We are part of NATO.  We really had not much choice.  Any casual dipshit should have known that deposing Mubarek would usher in the Muslim Brotherhood.  Any casual dipshit should have known that deposing Gaddafi would usher in chaos.  Any casual dipshit should have known that making hollow threats in Syria would have been an embarrassment.  In Iraq and Afghanistan we stayed long enough, until stupid came along, to at least get a semblance of stability.  Then stupid let chaos come in.

The President's greatest power is in foreign affairs.  Stupid has produced one failure after another and the Clinton cunt helped him.  Congress rules domestic.  Or is supposed to.  Unfortunately the weeper in chief had the cojones of a gelding.  The American people snatched control of the Congress from the Democrats specifically to counter Obama and the Republican leadership totally ignored the voters who put them on top.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22419944 - 10/22/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We had loads of choice. If we were against it it wouldn't happen in the first place.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22419988 - 10/22/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Le_Canard said:
I'd love to see Bernie run. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Having said that, I don't care much for Hilary, but with the Tea partiers and their Evangelical brethren now running the Republican party, I'd definitely vote for her against anyone the the Repubs may run.
BTW it is true that 150+ years ago, the Democratic party supported slavery, but both parties have totally switched polarity in the years since.




I think the democrats stopped supporting slavery right after former president LB Johnson said, in the mid 60's 'i'll have those ni.....gers voting democrat for the next 200 years....'

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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22420299 - 10/22/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Obama just vetoed a defense budget bill.


While I agree some rather expensive and wasteful spending but just as Clinton's cuts made us go into Iraq without body armor so it is with obamla .

A real war is brewing. 

I would scrape the f22 and not mothball the A 10 . The USA now has no official CAS aircraft. Just the idiocy of most of the "modern presidents " they were crooks for the last century.

I'm glad to see Ben Carson doing well. I won't vote Trump not saying he would blow up the world . In fact he might do an OK job he would surround himself with smart people.

I like a few others but really looks like after the primary I'm voting 3 rd party again.

Maybe the people's tax payers party just for the fuck of it all. I'm in a strange blue state.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22421638 - 10/23/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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False.  It was mostly at the impetus of Bernard Henri Levy




you'd be naive to think the sabre rattling didn't come from the US Govt. the fact it was French/British lead was basically a PR stunt, they didn't want the US to be seen to be leading yet another legally dubious "invasion" of an Arab nation.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22421643 - 10/23/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
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Le_Canard said:
I'd love to see Bernie run. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Having said that, I don't care much for Hilary, but with the Tea partiers and their Evangelical brethren now running the Republican party, I'd definitely vote for her against anyone the the Repubs may run.
BTW it is true that 150+ years ago, the Democratic party supported slavery, but both parties have totally switched polarity in the years since.




I think the democrats stopped supporting slavery right after former president LB Johnson said, in the mid 60's 'i'll have those ni.....gers voting democrat for the next 200 years....'

:lolsy:



But ya the Democrats were once the conservatives and the Republicans were once the liberals.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #22421835 - 10/23/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Liberalism and conservatism are not what they tell you, both ideologies have been poisoned by traitorous scum.
Find new ideologies, or do without them alltogether!


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #22421860 - 10/23/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Le_Canard said:
I'd love to see Bernie run. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Having said that, I don't care much for Hilary, but with the Tea partiers and their Evangelical brethren now running the Republican party, I'd definitely vote for her against anyone the the Repubs may run.
BTW it is true that 150+ years ago, the Democratic party supported slavery, but both parties have totally switched polarity in the years since.



Ha. The teapublicans just have a big mouth in congress. Some of the more favorable Republican candidates are actually very moderate. I'd take a center-leaning Republican over the loony ass left any day.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #22421869 - 10/23/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
False.  It was mostly at the impetus of Bernard Henri Levy




you'd be naive to think the sabre rattling didn't come from the US Govt. the fact it was French/British lead was basically a PR stunt, they didn't want the US to be seen to be leading yet another legally dubious "invasion" of an Arab nation.




That is correct and only the most naïve fools believe the official story.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: Le_Canard] * 2
    #22421874 - 10/23/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Le_Canard said:
BTW it is true that 150+ years ago, the Democratic party supported slavery, but both parties have totally switched polarity in the years since.





hahahaha... 50 years ago the democrat party supported slavery and they didnt switch
platforms, the democrats switched tactics, they still keep blacks suppressed and
broke while encouraging them to support this modern slavery through 'freebies' from
the government. it was clearly proven in the debate when all the candidate kept
promising 'free stuff if you vote for me'. unfortunately, to qualify for the free
stuff, you have to be of specific ethnicity and poor.






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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22423944 - 10/23/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
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Mad_Larkin said:
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zappaisgod said:
False.  It was mostly at the impetus of Bernard Henri Levy




you'd be naive to think the sabre rattling didn't come from the US Govt. the fact it was French/British lead was basically a PR stunt, they didn't want the US to be seen to be leading yet another legally dubious "invasion" of an Arab nation.




That is correct and only the most naïve fools believe the official story.




For what possible reason would the US want to fuck with Libya?  Or Great Britain for that matter.  But the idiot French had motivation.  Do you think that in the lead up to that idiocy everything the French said was a cover story for a senseless act of American adventurism?  :flowstone:  The Nato treaty kind of obligates us.  If we don't help them they won't help us later.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22424088 - 10/23/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There are fools and damned fools, you can help the one but not the other.

>Do you think that in the lead up to that idiocy everything the French said was a cover story for a senseless act of American adventurism?

You mean like Syria, Afghanistan, the ongoing occupation of Iraq, those kinds of senseless adventures your hero obumble always embarks upon? He is furiously intent on dislodging assad, before that it was kadafi he wanted out and he got him out. Before either of them it was saddam. I know you are happy anytime an arab is dead but this all fits the pattern. Obumble wanted an excuse and got it.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: qman] * 1
    #22424099 - 10/23/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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What a joke, I guess they'll say Iraq and Afghanistan was a success as well. 

How about we stay the fuck out of those places in the first place.




It is a success to them as they've successful dissolved the Arab nation as a world power. Never think of politics as being something operating for the greater good.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22424102 - 10/23/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We aren't doing shit in Syria, your hero Putin is.  Iraq and Afghanistan were completely necessary.  Gaddafi had been pacified and even agreed to pay reparations.  There was no US interest that could have been furthered by taking him out.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22424129 - 10/23/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

>We aren't doing shit in Syria, your hero Putin is.

Oh you mean right now at this moment? What about before that? Do you ever read the papers or watch tv? Obumble was totally gung ho for a full invasion and had to settle for mucking around which he did at great cost to our nation. Even now the idiot is bombing a power station and killing more civilians. Also dropping loads of munitions in the desert to stir the pot.

>Iraq and Afghanistan were completely necessary.

They were not only unnecessary but also counter productive to our interests. Iraq is now a shit hole and will soon be under the control of isis/ al quaida. Afghanistan is where world powers go to die. Russia learned a lesson there but our idiots still haven't learned. Now he is paying Karzai the two bit dictator over there for the privilege of us staying and spending billions more.

>Gaddafi had been pacified and even agreed to pay reparations.  There was no US interest that could have been furthered by taking him out.

Since when has that meant anything to obumble? He wanted kadaffi out and got him out. Why does he want assad out? It would turn the country over to isis just as Libya is going and Iraq will go later. You support isis? Why?


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22424368 - 10/23/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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>We aren't doing shit in Syria, your hero Putin is.

Oh you mean right now at this moment? What about before that? Do you ever read the papers or watch tv? Obumble was totally gung ho for a full invasion and had to settle for mucking around which he did at great cost to our nation. Even now the idiot is bombing a power station and killing more civilians. Also dropping loads of munitions in the desert to stir the pot.




No he wasn't.  I do read the papers.  I do not watch TV news.  At no point was Obama gung ho for an invasion.  If he had been he would have done it
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>Iraq and Afghanistan were completely necessary.

They were not only unnecessary but also counter productive to our interests. Iraq is now a shit hole and will soon be under the control of isis/ al quaida. Afghanistan is where world powers go to die. Russia learned a lesson there but our idiots still haven't learned. Now he is paying Karzai the two bit dictator over there for the privilege of us staying and spending billions more.




Karzai is not the President of Afghanistan.  Do you read the newspapers?
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>Gaddafi had been pacified and even agreed to pay reparations.  There was no US interest that could have been furthered by taking him out.

Since when has that meant anything to obumble? He wanted kadaffi out and got him out. Why does he want assad out? It would turn the country over to isis just as Libya is going and Iraq will go later. You support isis? Why?




Sorry.  I hate the man but there is no reason whatsoever to paint him as a war monger.  That is just stupid.  He caused two ill-advised withdrawals and didn't do shit in either Syria or Libya.  Flying a few bombing runs is not invading.  If anything he is a total pussy.

That being said I would have done nothing in Syria and nothing more than what we did to fulfill our NATO obligations which was a few bombing runs.


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22424520 - 10/23/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

>At no point was Obama gung ho for an invasion.  If he had been he would have done it

Sometimes I wonder if you are playing dumb for sympathy. Obumble asked congress to authorize war, it did not. He threatened to go in anyway, said he has a pen and a phone. He did it half assed and it sputtered out as we have seen. Putin now shows him how to do things. A few links to refresh your memory since it seems to have faded out.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/27/obama-declares-war-on-syria/

Here is where he made the false claim that assad used chem weapons as an excuse for war

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/30/world/europe/syria-civil-war/index.html


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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22424792 - 10/23/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: President Clinton just said Libya was a success [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22424845 - 10/23/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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>At no point was Obama gung ho for an invasion.  If he had been he would have done it

Sometimes I wonder if you are playing dumb for sympathy. Obumble asked congress to authorize war, it did not. He threatened to go in anyway, said he has a pen and a phone. He did it half assed and it sputtered out as we have seen. Putin now shows him how to do things. A few links to refresh your memory since it seems to have faded out.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/27/obama-declares-war-on-syria/

Here is where he made the false claim that assad used chem weapons as an excuse for war

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/30/world/europe/syria-civil-war/index.html





Why do all your posts read like you're an Obama shill getting paid to make Obama detractors appear less valid/intelligent :shocking:


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