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The Red Button
    #22416886 - 10/22/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ding dong! Your bell rings. A man in a black suit has something for you: a box with a big red button.



He explains you what it's about:

"I'm going to leave you alone with this button, tomorrow at the same time I come pick it up again. You can press the red button as often as you like or not at all. On the exact moment you press the red button two things will happen: one million people whom you absolutely do not know will die a quick, swift death. It will be people from all over the world and their only selective criterium is that they are people who are not your family, friends and acquaintances. At the same time, one million dollars will be added to your bank account. It will be a legitimate payment by the government, there won't be any tax investigations or other inquiries. The only thing you will know from the other side of the equasion is that it will be in the news that there were suddenly a lot of unexplained deaths. The button has never beenn used before you and it will in fact be destroyed after it is retrieved from you. No human being will ever connect it to you in any way, no police, no trouble. Again, you can press this button as often as you like and for each pressing a million dollars get put into your bank account, no taxes, and a million people die, no hassle. No further such actions are planned but if they are, no matter what you choose you and the people you know will never be among the deaths. See you tomorrow."

He leaves, the box with the red button sits on your table.
Waiting..
24 hours.

What will you do?

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A million for a million. No strings attached. How often would you press the button?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (10/21/15 09:02 PM) to (No end specified)
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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22416899 - 10/22/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd put the thing on the table and probably go mad progressiveley over the next 24 hours.

No idea what I'd do.. I hope I won't press it.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Turtletotem]
    #22416905 - 10/22/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You got 24 hours to think about it, don't have to decide just now. Just decide before 02:02 PM tomorrow our time or you lose your chance.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22416916 - 10/22/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh by the way here's $1,000,000 for a visual:



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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22416927 - 10/22/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you live somewhat modestly, you could live purely off the interest of having $1-1.5 million in a bank account.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: abltsandwich]
    #22416940 - 10/22/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Or in a developing nation you could live like a king off that.

If you want to catch interest its far better to, for instance, buy government obligations from Switzerland or another stable affluent nation.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #22416941 - 10/22/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

nope nope nope


Quote:

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If you live somewhat modestly, you could live purely off the interest of having $1-1.5 million in a bank account.





I I had a million I would still live in a very cheap house, I would do well with that much money because honestly I am not a huge fan of money, often times I have so much of it because it doesn't buy me happiness, and I only try to spend money on groceries when I absolutely need them.  Money bores me.

I wouldn't push that button though, I couldn't live with myself if I did.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Lucis]
    #22416947 - 10/22/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Money means very little to me. Money cannot buy happiness and the love of $ is the root of all evil.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22416959 - 10/22/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)





I chose no STAL because the situation is like it is.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22416979 - 10/22/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We have our first 7,376x

someone chose to wipe out the entire world population except the people he or she knows.

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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22416986 - 10/22/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm the second. Why? Because you're all smelly. dirty apes, that's why!


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22416989 - 10/22/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
...On the exact moment you press the red button two things will happen: one million people whom you absolutely do not know will die a quick, swift death. It will be people from all over the world and their only selective criterium is that they are people you have never met. ...no matter what you choose you and the people you know will never be among the deaths.
...
What will you do?





Is it simply people I've never met, or people I have no connection to whatsoever?

As in, could it be friends of friends or distant relatives, or does it have a certain degree of removal from the person hitting the button?

That said, it is probably problematic that my line of thought when looking at the options was a lack of concern over how much money I would get, but rather how many clicks it would take to reduce the human population to a level that eliminates or counteracts some of the impact the human race has had.
I'd not hesitate to press it for free if it transported the same amount of people to a new habitable planet, but included the chance I would never again see someone close to me. :lol:


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22416995 - 10/22/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Le_Canard said:
I'm the second. Why? Because you're all smelly. dirty apes, that's why!









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Re: The Red Button [Re: Tantrika]
    #22417000 - 10/22/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

SweetLeafSamadhi said:
Quote:

Asante said:
...On the exact moment you press the red button two things will happen: one million people whom you absolutely do not know will die a quick, swift death. It will be people from all over the world and their only selective criterium is that they are people you have never met. ...no matter what you choose you and the people you know will never be among the deaths.
...
What will you do?





Is it simply people I've never met, or people I have no connection to whatsoever?

As in, could it be friends of friends or distant relatives, or does it have a certain degree of removal from the person hitting the button?

That said, it is probably problematic that my line of thought when looking at the options was a lack of concern over how much money I would get, but rather how many clicks it would take to reduce the human population to a level that eliminates or counteracts some of the impact the human race has had.
I'd not hesitate to press it for free if it transported the same amount of people to a new habitable planet, but included the chance I would never again see someone close to me. :lol:





Good to specify, its people you have met, as in personally meet. Basically your family, friends and aquaintances.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22417004 - 10/22/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would press it till the guy who comes to take it dies, then keep pressing it. Hell I'd put one of those water filled birds that dip up and down over it so it would keep pressing.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #22417010 - 10/22/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

7,376x gets everyone except your circle.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #22417013 - 10/22/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

LuSiD enthusiast said:
I would press it till the guy who comes to take it dies, then keep pressing it. Hell I'd put one of those water filled birds that dip up and down over it so it would keep pressing.




But you have met him when he delivered the button, so he is immune.  :shock:

Now I have a new dilemma on my mind:
Would I personally deliver such a button to a person, knowing that doing so immunized me individually from the outcome?


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Tantrika]
    #22417021 - 10/22/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

SweetLeafSamadhi said:

But you have met him when he delivered the button, so he is immune.  :shock:





Thought has been put in the dilemma :grin:


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22417045 - 10/22/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

question how many people normally die worldwide in one day?
does the button press add to that number?

personally I think overpopulation is the biggest problem today
would I push the button, I'm not sure
it would certainly be easy to do
but I don't think that is enough money for those consequences
1 person = $1 I think you can do better
what if 1 person = their life savings or their price on the black market


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22417055 - 10/22/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Quote:

SweetLeafSamadhi said:

But you have met him when he delivered the button, so he is immune.  :shock:





Thought has been put in the dilemma :grin:




Well then, in the case that he is not immune,
then I would want to click it enough times to ensure he never retrieved it
and use my newfound income to usher in a reign of terror
where those who do not serve myself and my regime of friends and family
will live under constant threat of the button.
:evil2:

Okay, not really. Though I would at least feel less issue with being the one delivering the button to someone else now. :lol:


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Re: The Red Button [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22417058 - 10/22/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, the dilemma stays as it is, if you want more money, you know what to do :sun:


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Re: The Red Button [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22417090 - 10/22/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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personally I think overpopulation is the biggest problem today
would I push the button, I'm not sure
it would certainly be easy to do
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This was kind of where the situation got me more than anything.

It is an instantaneous (comparatively humane) way of dealing with overpopulation
with very little factor of discrimination attached to it,
but the idea of it selectively impacting people I don't know
and having no real discernible risk to myself
actually makes it more difficult -- want to treat the issue as clinical and removed
but the protection on the personal side of things makes the act of pressing the button more personal too.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22417152 - 10/22/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
7,376x gets everyone except your circle.



That guys in my circle as much as the waiter at the restaraunt who delivered my gyro last night.:shrug:


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Re: The Red Button [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #22417162 - 10/22/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would use the money to level out as many cities and community centers as possible and install parking lots in there place too.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Tantrika]
    #22417306 - 10/22/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I feel like your sig just became twice as good...

I voted 7373x or whatever hoping that it would wipe out everyone, including me and everyone I've met, but it doesn't seem that's the case.

I thought about it some more and I don't think I would ever press it. The weight of millions of deaths would probably keep me from ever enjoying myself again.

Asante, I feel like you've made this exact thread before? I could be wrong though.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: hex_enduction]
    #22417379 - 10/22/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Actually there is an episode of The Twilight Zone with a very similar plot, except that went a bit different than expected (not to plot spoil)

Here every variable is on the table or directly implied.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante] * 1
    #22417450 - 10/22/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would destroy the button. I'd smash it into a thousand bits with a hammer and then burn up the pieces. I'd make sure no one ever pressed that button if it were in my power.

To anyone who would press a mass killing button I have one question. What the hell is wrong with you? It it because its not one person but a mass murder? Is it the idea that when one person dies its a tragedy but when a million die its a statistic? Thats sick and I advise you to rethink you life and the values you live by.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22417466 - 10/22/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

on some level it'd almost be a public service to press the button, because of overpopulation and all the shitty people in the world. but with a million people there's bound to be lots of great innocent people that are killed. IDK, i'd most likely be far too pussy to press the button


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    #22417499 - 10/22/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

no fucking way. lives vs. paper? come on people.

Edit: the ONLY way I would push that button is if I was guaranteed it would kill 1 million people that deserve it(rapists etc) and I wouldnt even ask for the money afterwords.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22417740 - 10/22/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Ellis Dee said:
I'd make sure no one ever pressed that button if it were in my power.





Quote:

Asante said:
The button has never been used before you and it will in fact be destroyed after it is retrieved from you..




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Re: The Red Button [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22417796 - 10/22/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd imagine there'd be quite a bit more than a nights news segment on a million people dropping dead simultaneously, much less multiples of that. Especially if it was all the same cause of death (heart attack, instant death, suicide, etc:). People would be losing their shit at the 'coming of the end times' or the Rapture or terrorists or whatever other doomsday scenario they have in mind.


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    #22417827 - 10/22/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sure, people would flip their lid. It wouldnt be linked to you though.


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    #22417841 - 10/22/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd wipe us off the planet like a cumstain.
Not for the papers, though.

But that answer is hypothetical, of course.
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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22417861 - 10/22/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I choose 7,376, Might aswell kill 7,376 million people because that will solve the population problem of this planet.

Then I could be rich and drive around in nice cars till my body rots and dies, so it become 7,376 million plus one.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: BreathlessVision]
    #22417942 - 10/22/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldnt press the button . The deaths of any one person caused by  another , is enough to go crazy.


You would have no quality of life you would just end up offing yourself.


Now if I could choose the million I'd press it once.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Cj-B]
    #22418449 - 10/22/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd imagine there'd be quite a bit more than a nights news segment on a million people dropping dead simultaneously, much less multiples of that.




we are talking world wide
according to google 2 people die every second and it mostly goes unnoticed
that's 172,800 a day across 196 countries
sure that's still a long way from 1 million
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Re: The Red Button [Re: CosmicFool]
    #22420844 - 10/22/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Being completely honest though, you put a red button in front of me, im fucking pressing it.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22420872 - 10/22/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, the value of life (According to the EPA and U.S. Transportation department and some professor and Vanderbilt University) is around $9 million. This situation is quite a rip-off. So basically for every person I kill with this button I am getting one nine-millionth of their actual value.

I can twiddle the thought of pressing it once or twice, or never. Depends on the day I suppose.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: The Moose]
    #22421477 - 10/23/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There is no "actual value". Bill Gates would give everything he owns to save his life while a methhead in a pinch would pop his ass for a teaspoon of shards. A psychopath would pay for the opportunity to kill and get away with it, a la Hostel.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22421674 - 10/23/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Asante said:
There is no "actual value". Bill Gates would give everything he owns to save his life while a methhead in a pinch would pop his ass for a teaspoon of shards. A psychopath would pay for the opportunity to kill and get away with it, a la Hostel.



Funny thing allegedly hostel is based on a website, that provides user's with a five star getaway from home and the lae, and a once in a lifetime opportunity to shoot someone in the head.

Iirc eli roth said it was only 2000$ or at least i remember it being frighteningly cheap.


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22421816 - 10/23/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I voted i would press the button 7,373 times, which means all the people of the world would die at my hands! And i would be rich!

Rich i tell ya! MUHAHAHAAHA! :sagan:




But if everyone died, I would not need money. Plus, it would be very lonely and sad :sad:


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Re: The Red Button [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22421855 - 10/23/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

game theory rocks. the world would probably do well to be thinned out a bit population wise- so it would probably be good for the planet to take out a couple billion people. obviously the world would suck if there were no more people to meet though- so to take out everyone as logical mentioned would be a very lonely place indeed- and think of all the professional services you could no longer obtain. society would fall back into some kind of primitive dark age. might just save the earth tho- if you think about it. although all those nuclear reactors with no one to push the right buttons or take measures?

anyway- it would have to be an alien conspiracy. say a race that wanted to take over the earth- but were too moral to kill? it would be a perfect weapon!


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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22422172 - 10/23/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would press it if I could choose groups of people that would be better off dead.

Im talking real scum of the earth ISIL , Other  religious's fundamentalists extremist, Much of the US government and Russian government both current and former.


I would also kill all the fake dynasties in the mid east  and  the Turks "deep shadow government"

Also many of the "communist" in east asia .  Those on top of course

I could come up with more but like OP said we dont get to choose who dies.  I would press it tell all the enemies of the collective human race is destroyed .

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Re: The Red Button [Re: Asante]
    #22422548 - 10/23/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There is no "actual value". Bill Gates would give everything he owns to save his life while a methhead in a pinch would pop his ass for a teaspoon of shards. A psychopath would pay for the opportunity to kill and get away with it, a la Hostel.




No there isn't. But they place monetary value on life for insurance and other purposes.

This document shows that the US DOT used the value of $9.2 million last year as what they were willing to spend to prevent one fatality. They actually go pretty into it and have figures for the "value" of an injury as well.

Kinda fucked up since they're basically saying somebody isn't worth trying to save after that point. :shrug:

But I still stand by that this is a rip-off. The DOT would pay more to not press that button.


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