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Psilocybe azurescens ?
    #22415632 - 10/21/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Found these on the Oregon coast. In dune grass in a cluster near shore pine. Mycelium, bright white and held strong to it's medium, strong in structure and leaping from the base of the mushroom. Mycelium stained blue after bruising. Edge of the cap was white before touching it on many samples. Smells to me what I call "average mushroom smell." Hollow stem when mature.

Currently taking a spore print.

Along with confirmation or rejection of identification, I am curious about other look a likes so that I can learn their identifiers as well. Poisonous and/or otherwise.












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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22415661 - 10/21/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ya those are azzies. Grats man enjoy them!


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: TheHulk69]
    #22415670 - 10/21/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

if it does turn out to be azures you could make prints for trade.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: TheHulk69]
    #22415671 - 10/21/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: :thumbup: nice


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: TheHulk69]
    #22415686 - 10/21/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sweet! That's what I thought. We heard they were growing and went out looking specifically for them. I'm curious about any potential look a likes so that I can identify them as well.

Are there any mushrooms that blue so quickly that are poisonous?

As far as I know Galerina autumnalis grows in the same environment as psilocybe cyanescens, right? Obviously I need to pay attention to that. Is there anything else of note?


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22415733 - 10/21/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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if it does turn out to be azures you could make prints for trade.





I'm taking spore prints on 11 different microscope slides. Going to place another slide on top and tape it shut. Would that be good enough for trading? Some of the slides would have half a caps worth of spores for the print since some caps were larger and others would have a whole small caps worth.


[EDIT] Also I'm curious, I have a dehumidifier. My friend heard that you lose a lot/all of the potency of these if you dehydrate them. Is that true?


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22415825 - 10/21/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ubi said:
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rbalzer said:
if it does turn out to be azures you could make prints for trade.





I'm taking spore prints on 11 different microscope slides. Going to place another slide on top and tape it shut. Would that be good enough for trading? Some of the slides would have half a caps worth of spores for the print since some caps were larger and others would have a whole small caps worth.


[EDIT] Also I'm curious, I have a dehumidifier. My friend heard that you lose a lot/all of the potency of these if you dehydrate them. Is that true?




No, print each cap on an individual square of foil.
Also, no, they do not loose a lot/all of their potency when dried. You're friend is wrong.
I recommend investing in a dehydrator to dry them if you do not already have one.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22415896 - 10/21/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sweet and sweet. I'll move them over to foil immediately. Is there a link for proper technique?


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22415955 - 10/21/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Step 1) Use scissors to cut squares of aluminium foil
Step 2) Remove the stipe (stem) of the mushrooms from the caps and place the caps on the squares of foil, one square of foil to one cap.
Wait 24hours and then proceed to remove the caps from the squares of foil, there should be a sporeprint on the foil.

Would you like pictures with that?


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22415963 - 10/21/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

no point being careful with cleanliness when the print is already wild


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22415977 - 10/21/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wow u guys are fast .. heres my 2 cents

Cut up foil in squairs bigger than the cap then after they drop you can fold em up and keep em safe.
I do mine in a glass tray so I can cover it with plastic to keep the caps moist while they drop. And i leave em for 24 hrs if I can.

here's a pic of mi Cyans


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I hear ya on the prints
As for look alikes  sorry I cant help there but a trick for me is
- when in doubt throw it Out!

You know what they look like now that you have them
that's a Great lesson


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Mushrello]
    #22416007 - 10/21/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome, spore prints will be safe and maybe up for trade in the future. Need to get to know the community first...

Curious about my other question, what are the look a likes to psilocybe azurescens?


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22416043 - 10/21/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Galerina species. DEADLY

Also, only pick fully mature mushrooms mate.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416066 - 10/21/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes galerinas grow side by side with active species, you would have to be an idiot to get them confused, but they are considered a lookalike.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416190 - 10/21/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Galerina species. DEADLY





Those are absolutely azurescens... not galerina.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #22416219 - 10/21/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Galerina species. DEADLY





Those are absolutely azurescens... not galerina.




No fucking shit, Sherlock.:mad2:
:facepalm: How about reading whole thread before opening you're mouth mate...

OP was asking about lookalikes.
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Ubi said:
Curious about my other question, what are the look a likes to psilocybe azurescens?




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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416225 - 10/21/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

sorry bud, missed that last question


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #22416235 - 10/21/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No worries mate, granted I should have quoted his question in my post, but still, you got to read the whole thread before commenting.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416301 - 10/22/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey now, no need to get into imaginary arguments over the internet :smile:. We all know we can't read enunciation, so best pretend everyone means well with their comments.


(As an aside how may grams of galerina would be fatal?)

EDIT: Quantity


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi] * 1
    #22416305 - 10/22/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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(As an aside how much galerina would be fatal?)





Around 20.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22416361 - 10/22/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry I meant to be more accurate in my question and failed. I edited my post to reflect this.

As an aside how may grams of galerina would be fatal?

Or if a better measure, how many caps?

[EDIT] Also I  need to rephrase my question, lets imagine these aren't Psilocybe Azurescens. What would it be? What are the most similar look a likes? I need to learn so I ever need to ask this question again. So far I have one person telling me it is indeed Azurescens and one "Trusted Identifier" ... I personally would like to have the knowledge to be able to decide this for myself.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22416439 - 10/22/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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As an aside how may grams of galerina would be fatal?

Or if a better measure, how many caps?





It makes me a bit uncomfortable that you feel the need to ask this question..

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Ubi said:
lets imagine these aren't Psilocybe Azurescens.




why?


Quote:

Ubi said:
What would it be?




Psilocybe azurescens

I don't think you're going about this in a very good way. It's not a very bright idea to try and learn how to identify a bunch of 'lookalikes' so that you can avoid them. Instead, just learn the characteristics of Psilocybe azurescens itself. It's very easy, no other mushroom (that isn't in the genus Psilocybe) looks much like them and the bruising is a dead giveaway. Look through some recent and old threads of people in your area finding these mushrooms or just spend a couple hours staring at Google images. I'm sure you can learn to positively identify this one species of mushroom. Keep posting ID requests until you feel you've got the hang of it completely.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22416447 - 10/22/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We don't know exactly how many grams of poisonous galerina species mushrooms will be fatal. There is no magic number as to how many grams of poisonous galerina species will kill you man...

Keep asking for ID requests until you know you're shit, simple as that.
Once you know, you will know, you know.

No one is going to tell you the most similar look alike to Psilocybe azurescens. It doesn't work like that, you quite clearly have Psilocybe azurescens we're not going to pretend it's something else, it's like looking at an apple tree and asking "I'm not sure this is an apple tree, what species resembles apple trees the most" when it's obviously an apple tree.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416457 - 10/22/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

HWAP, this is the second time we have had practically the same response in different wording, at the same time, first time being about hygrophanous caps.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416487 - 10/22/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I did it better :super: :lol:


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: HookerWithAPenis]
    #22416506 - 10/22/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Prehaps, but the other points that you brought up I was actually thinking but too out of it to bother typing out.

Like the fact that the species that resemble Psilocybe azurescens the most are other species in the Psilocybe genus, for example, Psilocybe subaeruginosa, Psilocybe allenii and Psilocybe cyanescens


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416514 - 10/22/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ubi my friend, Psilocybe subaeruginosa look quite simalar to Psilocybe azurescens, here is one of my pictures of Psilocybe subaeruginosa from 2014. But you wont be finding Psilocybe subaeruginosa in Oregon.



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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416516 - 10/22/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I was joking. Good to see we're on the same page with these topics.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: HookerWithAPenis]
    #22416520 - 10/22/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Where's my TI badge at then?


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: HookerWithAPenis]
    #22416526 - 10/22/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Ubi said:
As an aside how may grams of galerina would be fatal?

Or if a better measure, how many caps?





It makes me a bit uncomfortable that you feel the need to ask this question..

Quote:

Ubi said:
lets imagine these aren't Psilocybe Azurescens.




why?


Quote:

Ubi said:
What would it be?




Psilocybe azurescens

I don't think you're going about this in a very good way. It's not a very bright idea to try and learn how to identify a bunch of 'lookalikes' so that you can avoid them. Instead, just learn the characteristics of Psilocybe azurescens itself. It's very easy, no other mushroom (that isn't in the genus Psilocybe) looks much like them and the bruising is a dead giveaway. Look through some recent and old threads of people in your area finding these mushrooms or just spend a couple hours staring at Google images. I'm sure you can learn to positively identify this one species of mushroom. Keep posting ID requests until you feel you've got the hang of it completely.





I think both of you're responses are quite appropriate...

I'm concerned with look a likes because I don't trust people over the internet. I don't trust pictues when I'm identifying them for others. I don't think anyone should say "this is this mushroom." I think it's best to say "compare to this mushroom" I want to know the look a likes so I can mentally go "This doesn't have these characteristics so I'm confident I can give these to my friends."

I won't lie, I'm a mushroom amateur, I'm taking a stupid cautious approach to mushrooms identification. I don't want to hurt myself or anyone else.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416531 - 10/22/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Here is another picture of my Psilocybe subaeruginosa for you Ubi


Psilocybe subaeruginosa is a species that looks similar to Psilocybe azurescens but like I said, you will not find it where you live!


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22416563 - 10/22/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I think both of you're responses are quite appropriate...

I'm concerned with look a likes because I don't trust people over the internet. I don't trust pictues when I'm identifying them for others. I don't think anyone should say "this is this mushroom." I think it's best to say "compare to this mushroom" I want to know the look a likes so I can mentally go "This doesn't have these characteristics so I'm confident I can give these to my friends."

I won't lie, I'm a mushroom amateur, I'm taking a stupid cautious approach to mushrooms identification. I don't want to hurt myself or anyone else.




We know you're a noob, it's really obvious.
I can tell you are a noob with common sense.
But, you're still, a noob none the less.

You need to understand that I can safely say by looking at a picture of a mushroom that this mushrooms IS this mushroom, I will not say, "compare this mushroom to this mushroom" because I'll bet my left nut that I can 100% positively identify Psilocybe azurescens, don't believe me? I'll tell you exactly why.

The community at shroomey are not here to poison you, this is a harm reduction forum. We positively identify mushrooms.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22416579 - 10/22/15 03:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Where's my TI badge at then?



What does this even mean? Just because you can ID a few active woodlovers doesn't mean you get to be a TI.

Ubi, if you don't trust people over the internet then I don't know what you're doing here. What I'm saying is that you can be just as confident in your identification (in fact, more confident) by learning all the characteristics of the species you're trying to find, and then applying these to the mushrooms you find. I don't need to tick a checkbox of species that my mushrooms are not in order to say they are what they are. You shouldn't identify mushrooms by process of elimination. There are hundreds of mushrooms that could be considered lookalikes, learning the characteristics of each one is a much less efficient way of IDing your finds.

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I want to know the look a likes so I can mentally go "This doesn't have these characteristics so I'm confident I can give these to my friends."





Why don't you instead do it by saying this mushroom does have the characteristics of the species I am looking for (which are exclusive to your species/genus, such as bruising) so you can be confident that way? I'm not going to go through a list of species that I consider lookalikes because that would be a waste of time and the matter is pretty subjective. I completely understand that you want to be extremely cautious but I'm telling from someone with experience that this is the best way to do it. If you won't budge then honestly the only genus I would be all that worried about is Galerina, like Ghost said. They're really the main dangerous genus that might resemble azures and grow in a similar habitat.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416588 - 10/22/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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this is a harm reduction forum.




The fact that you called this a "harm reduction forum" makes me so happy.

I'm not worried that you'll intentionally mis-identify what I'm posting and poison me. I just want to learn what I can so that I  will be able to help others in the future. Me asking you what "the closest possible dangerous mushroom looks like" is just me doing my own safety precaution thing.

I gotta crash, I think we're all talking similar points. Be back in the morning :wink:


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: HookerWithAPenis]
    #22416590 - 10/22/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ghost0420 said:
Where's my TI badge at then?



What does this even mean? Just because you can ID a few active woodlovers doesn't mean you get to be a TI.





:lmao: I can identify allot more than a few active woodlovers.
I should be a TI no doubt, nominate me!


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ubi]
    #22416599 - 10/22/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

this is a harm reduction forum.




The fact that you called this a "harm reduction forum" makes me so happy.

I'm not worried that you'll intentionally mis-identify what I'm posting and poison me. I just want to learn what I can so that I  will be able to help others in the future. Me asking you what "the closest possible dangerous mushroom looks like" is just me doing my own safety precaution thing.




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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22416615 - 10/22/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ubi, It's a simple as this.

Can you identify an apple? a banana? an orange? perhaps you can identify a fejoa?

Same concept to me with mushrooms identification. You don't take a picture of a banana and say "compare this to banana"

:pm: me when you wake up, I will teach you and answer any questions that you have :cool:


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    #22416942 - 10/22/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:hmm:


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22417313 - 10/22/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ubi, It's a simple as this.

Can you identify an apple? a banana? an orange? perhaps you can identify a fejoa?

Same concept to me with mushrooms identification. You don't take a picture of a banana and say "compare this to banana"





What if you take a picture of a plantain, and say compare this to banana?

There are many things that look similar but aren't the same. Op good job with the find and post. It's a great idea to learn more about what your looking for and what to avoid.

Keep up the good work and don't lose your inquisitive nature, cause someone else thinks it's not important, only you can decide what you're gonna learn and how to use it.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22417777 - 10/22/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:pm: me when you wake up, I will teach you and answer any questions that you have :cool:




Ha, that's hilarious. What an arrogant bastard


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: JoftheRocks]
    #22418877 - 10/22/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

How is offering to help and teach how to identify through :pm: arrogant



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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22418967 - 10/22/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Ghost420- simmer down. You do seem arrogant


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: afrogus]
    #22418982 - 10/22/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You talk out your ass without justification, you seem like a imbecile.
Back your words up or don't bother opening your mouth.

Helping a noob out is not being arrogant, GTFO.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: Ghost0420]
    #22419005 - 10/22/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Uh oh...



Flame on!

Sorry op start a new thread if next find you make


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens ? [Re: N05482]
    #22423440 - 10/23/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yea thanks guys for the identification.

Hilarious the number of private messages I got asking for prints. Since this is my first time back in years and I don't know anyone here I will be keeping the prints for my self, at least this time around.  Mushrooms have been placed in the dehydrator and will fun for the future. See you guys on the flip side and let the thread die.


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