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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: trendal]
    #2248204 - 01/17/04 01:31 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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trendal said:
If the grocery store refused to supply food to me...I wouldn't go bomb it :smirk:



I guess it's safe to assume that our president doesn't go by the name 'Trendal' on The Shroomery BBS.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: trendal]
    #2248205 - 01/17/04 01:31 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)


I believe the U.S. has a right to be concerned about its oil supply.


So...the oil in other sovereign countries belongs to the US?


No, no, no. You misunderstand me. The oil in these other countries
does not belong to us, but it does constitute the oil that we get,
so it could be termed our supply. Just like if all of Canada's
oranges come from Florida, you could term Florida's oranges to be
your supply.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2248225 - 01/17/04 01:42 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

What I want to know is: how does being "concerned" over your "supply" of something give you the right to forcefully obtain that "supply"?


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: trendal]
    #2248232 - 01/17/04 01:44 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Demonstrate that the US bombed anyone strictly for it's oil.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2248237 - 01/17/04 01:46 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

That's not what I'm doing here, and I'm not going to argue that with you as I already know what your mind is on this subject :wink:

I was simply replying to randalflagg's post in which he said:
"I believe the U.S. has a right to be concerned about its oil supply."

Now stop changing the subject.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2248252 - 01/17/04 01:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, I am not a Bush supporter. I am not a republican.

Second of all, show me factual evidence that is not tainted with bias
(the article that you posted is) and I will be more open to hearing
these ideas.

These are the reasons why I think the Iraq war happened:

1. Saddam was an embarrassment to us. He continually
defied us(violating no-fly zones, shooting at our aircraft, etc..).
He was a true symbol of defiance to the U.S., which gave him some
support in the Middle East(not too much...but some). I think that
one of the reasons we got rid of him was to save face and look like
we weren't afraid to finish stuff.

2. To reduce our reliance on Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is
run by an unpopular government, which its citizens hate. The U.S.
keeps that government in power by giving them money and weapons.
The Saudis in turn produce a lot of oil that we buy.

If we are able to get Iraq's oil fields flowing again, and have a
friendly pro-American government in Iraq, we can get away from the
Saudi government.

3. To get our troops out of Saudi Arabia. One of the main reasons
that Muslims hate us is because we have troops in the Saudi
Kingdom(which has the holiest Muslim sites). With Saddam gone we
have an excuse to pull our troops out of there without looking
like wimps.

4. To pressure Iran and Syria. They blatantly support Muslim
terrorism groups and have done so for many years. With American
troops on their borders, they may think twice about continuing to do
so.

5. To try to pressure all non-democratic regimes in the Middle
East to lean towards democracy. Not one Arab government in the
Middle East is democratic, and this pisses off most Arab citizens.
They want democracy, and they view America as keeping certain
governments in power which in turn limits the freedom of the
Arab citizens.

6. To lessen the suffering of the Iraqi people(bear with me on
this one...). The sanctions levied against Iraq have caused
that country to become destitute. A lot of people die from
malnutrition and preventable diseases(all while Saddam and his sons
played in their palaces). Saddam never followed the rules that
would have lifted the sanctions because he wanted to use his
people's suffering as propaganda to the rest of the Arab world
to show how "horrible" America was. With the sanctions(and Saddam)
gone, the Iraqi people can have access to a better life


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: trendal]
    #2248259 - 01/17/04 01:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)


What I want to know is: how does being "concerned" over your "supply"
of something give you the right to forcefully obtain that "supply"?

It doesn't.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2248270 - 01/17/04 02:08 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Good, I'm glad we're clear on that :wink:


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: trendal]
    #2248275 - 01/17/04 02:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't change the subject. I responded to your post.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2248288 - 01/17/04 02:17 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

one conspiracy which is definitely not a secret is the federal reserve board..who are demanding that ppl work longer hours at lower pay..and that we wage wars of aggression..in order to prevent further degradation of their worthless paper money...

Annapurna- that is the strongest part of my belief that there is some sort of an attempt to create global governance.  What is amazing is that nobody can give one solid reason why the Federal Reserve exists- why all the money in our country is controlled by a private bank, which was and is owned by other banks, and they are owned by about 7 families.  I have read sooo much about this if you ever want to discuss it I would love to. 

Whistleblower magazine (of worldnetdaily.com) did a huge article on the Fed, a great article, but could not list one reason for its being-they mentioned conspiracy but did not want to touch the idea. 

Newt Gingrich tried to shut it down in 1998 because he knew what was going on- what the Federal Reserve actually means (a debt that cannot ever be paid back unless we start printing our own money), but guess what happened to him- he was chastised for writing a fucking book!  Then Hillary Clinton does the same thing, to an extent far worse (listening to Bill O Riley expose her book signings and marketing techniques is some of the best comedy available), and it does not matter- unbelievable!    :lol:


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2248392 - 01/17/04 03:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't change the subject. I responded to your post.

Then maybe you can notice that I didn't say, anwhere, that "the US bombed anyone strictly for it's oil." :wink:


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2248423 - 01/17/04 03:22 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Demonstrate that the US bombed anyone strictly for it's oil.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

unlike you..however..i'll at least bother to explain those :lol:s, courtesy of your fellow conservative paul o'neill ..

Quote:

According to O'Neill, invading Iraq was a Bush goal before he had even learned where the Oval office supply closet was. It came up just ten days after the inauguration, at the new president's first National Security Council meeting. "It was all about finding a way to do it," O'Neill says. "That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this.'" [article here]




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The details supplied by O?Neill make clear that the internal US discussions on Iraq were not simply ?contingency planning,? as they have been portrayed by administration spokesmen over the past two years, and continue to be portrayed even in news accounts of O?Neill?s revelations. O?Neill reviewed?and kept copies of?memoranda from the first days of the administration with titles like ?Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq? and ?Foreign Suitors For Iraqi Oilfield Contracts,? which examined such questions as how Iraq should be governed under US occupation and which countries and companies would be seeking a share of the spoils from the seizure of the second largest oil reserves on the planet. [article here]




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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: trendal]
    #2248430 - 01/17/04 03:26 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
I didn't change the subject. I responded to your post.

Then maybe you can notice that I didn't say, anwhere, that "the US bombed anyone strictly for it's oil." :wink:



OK, but you did say this....
So...the oil in other sovereign countries belongs to the US?

And then this....
If the grocery store refused to supply food to me...I wouldn't go bomb it

And then this....
What I want to know is: how does being "concerned" over your "supply" of something give you the right to forcefully obtain that "supply"?

I think that adds up to exactly what I asked. If you say it doesn't, I'm not a mind reader so I'll take your word for it.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2248436 - 01/17/04 03:29 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

No I wouldn't say that adds up to what you asked. At least, I did not intend it to!

The first was in reply to randal's post where he DID mention US "interest" in oil-supply (I think obviously refering to the Iraq situation).

You should be able to put the rest of what I said in context, knowing that.

For the record: I don't think the Iraq war was just over oil...though I'm quite sure oil did play a part. If you dissagree with that, that's your opinion :smirk:


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2248439 - 01/17/04 03:30 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah. Funny how many here seem to think no-one in the Bush admin says anything truthful.... until they say something they want to hear.  :lol:

Of course what he said is in no way influenced by the desire to sell books and/or the desire to give the shaft to someone he feels wronged him.  :lol:

Hell... I'm convinced.  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: trendal]
    #2248470 - 01/17/04 03:41 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Context is no proble. Add those three items up, add them to other posts of yours and.... bingo.

However as I said, I can't read your mind.


As for the war being just for oil, here's an earlier post with link.....
2-11-2003
Rono, see if you can find where I ever posted that oil wasn't a factor. You won't. What you will find is that I said it wasn't the main reason.
Link

There are others but I figure one will suffice.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2248472 - 01/17/04 03:43 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah. Funny how many here seem to think no-one in the Bush admin says anything truthful.... until they say something they want to hear. :lol:

o'neill wasnt a member of the junta when he gave that interview...

Of course what he said is in no way influenced by the desire to sell books and/or the desire to give the shaft to someone he feels wronged him. :lol:

as if the junta shouldnt be given the shaft..for whatever reason...


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2248491 - 01/17/04 03:51 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

luvdem: "What you will find is that I said it wasn't the main reason."

trendal: "For the record: I don't think the Iraq war was just over oil...though I'm quite sure oil did play a part."

Looks like we're of like mind on this, at least, so no need to argue eh :smile:


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2248503 - 01/17/04 03:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

o'neill wasnt a member of the junta when he gave that interview...



And that means he is telling the truth because......


Quote:

as if the junta shouldnt be given the shaft..for whatever reason...



Which has exactly zero to do with proving he was truthful.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2248524 - 01/17/04 04:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

either o'neill is not telling the truth or the junta isnt..and they cant both be right...


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