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InvisibleTrueBrode
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Global Elite-Conspiracy
    #2241446 - 01/14/04 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html

I am already convinced that the global elite are at least trying to create a one world fascist state, but maybe this article will help others come to the same conclusion. Unless someone will point out to me what parts of this article are fabricated, I cannot imagine why anybody would just brush it off as more "crazy conspiracy talk."


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2241486 - 01/14/04 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2241538 - 01/14/04 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

25% fact, 75% garbage.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2241541 - 01/14/04 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Which parts specifically did you feel were garbage?


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2241550 - 01/14/04 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree that there is an elite class which basically rules the world, but I'm not so sure I'd call it a conspiracy. Many such people may not even be aware of the degree of power they hold. Society often has a mind of its own, independent of its constituents.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: Rono]
    #2241552 - 01/14/04 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hold on...give me a few minutes to re-read, paste, and comment.
This might take a while.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2241556 - 01/14/04 02:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Take your time... for the record...I don't think this article is 100% correct, but it does raise alot of debate worthy points.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: silversoul7]
    #2241616 - 01/14/04 02:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah. I think the word conspiracy is overused by certain people. it's like how they call PNAC a conspiracy, but how can it be a CONSPIRACY when they TELL YOU exactly what they want to do, right there on their website!?


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: TrueBrode]
    #2241666 - 01/14/04 03:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I believe it.

:devil:


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: Rono]
    #2241738 - 01/14/04 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, here goes for starters...


Years, even decades before 9/11, plans had been drawn up for American
forces to take control of the oil interests of the Middle East, for
various imperialist reasons.

There were plans sitting on the shelf for the conquest of
Russia...yet did that ever happen? Governments plan for every
contingency. Just because they plan for it, doesn't mean there
is some horrible conspiracy to do it.

I have a feeling the "plans" he is referring to are when Kissinger
suggested military action in the Middle East during the 70's
embargo. Did that ever happen? An official mouthing off during a
crisis or some plan sitting on a shelf somewhere is not indication of
a consistent and planned imperialist strategy.


Recently declassified US government documents, unearthed last October
by investigative journalist John Buchanan at the New Hampshire
Gazette, reveal that Prescott Bush's involvement in financing and
arming the Nazis was more extensive than previously known.

So what? A shitload of companies did business with Nazi Germany and
had factories over there...even during the war. Some American
companies even sued the American government for bombing those
factories in Germany.


Like all the other Bush scandals that have been swept under the rug
in the privatized censorship of the corporate media,


Huh...??? I have seen all kinds of negative reports on shady things
in Bush's past. I have heard tons of reports on Iran-Contra, on Bush
Jr's alcoholism and questionable military service, and on Jeb's
savings and loan adventures.


But Prescott Bush's dealings with the Nazis do more than illustrate a
family pattern of genteel treason and war profiteering—from
George Senior's sale of TOW missiles to Iran at the same time he was
selling biological and chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein

George Senior was not in charge of TOW missiles being sent to Iran.
Admiral Stockdale and Colonel North were. And we kissed Saddam's ass
because he was the enemy of our enemy. Admittedly, the U.S. got
into bed with some really scummy dictators. Most powers on
this earth have done that at one time or another.


A conservative, authoritarian style, with public appearances in
military uniform (which no previous American president has ever done
while in office).

??? He flew onto an aircraft carrier, therefore he wore a flight
suit. So what? When he went to go visit troops, he might have been
wearing some fatigues...so what?


Contempt for international law and treaties.

This I can agree with.


Suspiciously convenient "terrorist" attacks,

What about suspiciously convenient conspiracy theories emanating from
the Left-Wing press?


A carefully manufactured image of "The Leader," who's still just
a "regular guy" and a "moderate."

Every U.S. president in recent memory has strived for that
appearance. So what? Every president in recent memory has
people who are in charge of crafting an image for the him.
So what?


What perplexes me most is probably the same question that plagues
most paranoiacs: why don't other people see these connections?

Because, I am not a brainwashed Lefty.


It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A
paradigm shift.

Isn't paradigm a word that stupid people use in order to sound intelligent?
(A "Simpsons" quote)


That the Council on Foreign Relations has a history of influence on
official US government foreign policy

Well...jeez...that's their job. To formulate opinions on foreign
policy. It is up to the administration to listen to them or ignore
them.


that the protection of US supplies of Middle East oil has been a
central element of American foreign policy since the Second World War

Well no shit. America runs on oil. We need it. So, the protection
of Middle Eastern oil supplies is of concern to us.


That whether it's heroin from Southeast Asia in the '60s and '70s, or
cocaine from Central America and heroin from Afghanistan in the '80s,
or cocaine from Colombia in the '90s, or heroin from Afghanistan
today no major CIA covert operation has ever lacked a drug smuggling
component, and that the CIA has hired Nazis, fascists, drug dealers,
arms smugglers, mass murderers, perverts, sadists, terrorists and the
Mafia, is not "theory." It's fact.

Admittedly, the CIA has done some nasty shit.


That the 2000 presidential election was deliberately stolen

I have seen no proof of that.


that corporate media were then virtually silent about the Florida
recount

Where the hell was this guy at that time? Virtually silent about the
recount???? That's all that was in the news for a couple of weeks.


and that the Bush 2000 team had planned to challenge the legitimacy
of the election if George W had won the popular, but lost the
electoral vote

So what? G.W. wanted to win, just like Gore did. Gore challenged
the fuck out of everything that was going on(he had lawyers
everywhere bringing forth all kinds of motions). G.W. would have
gone through legal challenges too if he thought he was the winner and
he lost.


That the intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was
deceptively "cooked" by the Bush administration;

This is probably true.


Iraq today are applying the same brutal counterinsurgency tactics
pioneered in Central America in the 1980s, under the direct
supervision of then-Vice President George HW Bush, is not a "theory."

We are in a war. People are killing our troops. Brutal tactics are
going to occur.


That "Rebuilding America's Defenses," the Project for a New American
Century's 2000 report, and "The Grand Chessboard," a book published a
few years earlier by Trilateral Commission co-founder Zbigniew
Brzezinski, both recommended a more robust and imperial US military
presence in the oil basin of the Middle East and the Caspian region;
and that both also suggested that American public support for this
energy crusade would depend on public response to a new "Pearl
Harbor," is not "theory." It's fact.

This is the stupidest assumption I have ever seen. I have read that
report. The report in no way suggests that a new "Pearl Harbor" must
happen, it merely acknowledges the undeniable fact that if a
new "Pearl Harbor" were to happen, the political and military
landscape would be inexorably changed. Nowhere in that report did I
get the feeling that the writer was hoping for or suggesting a
new "Pearl Harbor" in order to implement certain policies.


That, in the 1960s, the Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously approved a
plan called "Operation Northwoods," to stage terrorist attacks on
American soil that could be used to justify an invasion of Cuba; and
that there is currently an office in the Pentagon whose function is
to instigate terrorist attacks that could be used to justify future
strategically-desired military responses, is not a "theory." It's
fact.

What does some 40 year old hairbrained scheme have to do with what is
going in today?


George H.W. Bush was meeting in Washington with representatives of
Osama bin Laden's family, and other investors in the world's largest
private equity firm, the Carlyle Group;

Osama has been disowned by his family. His family is very rich and
powerful. It is no surprise that Osama's family has dealings in
international business stuff.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2241916 - 01/14/04 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

nice work. that article was quite a load of shit.


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    #2241955 - 01/14/04 04:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't notice any lies in that article..it was admittedly biased, but it was all true in my opinion.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2242025 - 01/14/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nice job showing what a hack job that biased writer tried to pass.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2242051 - 01/14/04 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So what part was lies again?...


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: Rono]
    #2242090 - 01/14/04 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is "hack job" now the definition for lies in Canoodia?

I didn't realize it was different now.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2242112 - 01/14/04 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Please elaborate what you mean by Hack job...his writing style?...since by your above comment it would seem that you are not disputing anything he stated as a fact,


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: Rono]
    #2242140 - 01/14/04 05:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sure, be glad to. However since Randal has already pointed out the inaccuracies, half truths and omissions, it would be a waste of space for me to copy and paste them. I'll do so if you like however.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2242165 - 01/14/04 05:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Please point out the inaccuracies...and I would still like your definition of "Hack Job"...


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2242194 - 01/14/04 06:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Governments plan for every
contingency. Just because they plan for it, doesn't mean there is some horrible conspiracy to do it.




True...but by that logic, it doesn't mean that there isn't either.

Quote:

So what? A shitload of companies did business with Nazi Germany and had factories over there...



Again...very true. But are they in charge of the worlds only superpower now?

Quote:

Huh...??? I have seen all kinds of negative reports on shady things
in Bush's past. I have heard tons of reports on Iran-Contra, on Bush Jr's alcoholism and questionable military service, and on Jeb's savings and loan adventures.




Yet even after reading about all the 'known' shady deals, you still think that Bush family has the countrys best interests in mind...and not their own?..interesting.

Quote:

George Senior was not in charge of TOW missiles being sent to Iran.
Admiral Stockdale and Colonel North were. And we kissed Saddam's ass
because he was the enemy of our enemy. Admittedly, the U.S. got into bed with some really scummy dictators. Most powers on this earth have done that at one time or another.


As the president..he was responsible.

Quote:

He flew onto an aircraft carrier, therefore he wore a flight suit. So what? When he went to go visit troops, he might have been wearing some fatigues...so what?



This I agree with...it shouldn't have even been made an issue...although it seemed pretty tacky on his behalf.

Quote:

Well no shit. America runs on oil. We need it. So, the protection of Middle Eastern oil supplies is of concern to us.



Finally someone who is honest...Which brings us back to the point that the Iraq war was for Oil...not liberating the Iraqis, not for WMD's...oil.

Quote:

This is the stupidest assumption I have ever seen. I have read that
report. The report in no way suggests that a new "Pearl Harbor" must
happen, it merely acknowledges the undeniable fact that if a
new "Pearl Harbor" were to happen, the political and military
landscape would be inexorably changed. Nowhere in that report did I
get the feeling that the writer was hoping for or suggesting a
new "Pearl Harbor" in order to implement certain policies.



How else would the PATRIOT act have gotten passed so quickly before anyone actually had a chance to review it?...Makes perfect sense to me.

Quote:

What does some 40 year old hairbrained scheme have to do with what is going in today?



It has EVERYTHING to do with what is going on today...it proves that your government is not above staging attacks on it's own people in order to further it's agenda.


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Re: Global Elite-Conspiracy [Re: Rono]
    #2242206 - 01/14/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Like all the other Bush scandals that have been swept under the rug in the privatized censorship of the corporate media,

That the 2000 presidential election was deliberately stolen

that corporate media were then virtually silent about the Florida recount




There's 3. I copied them from Randal's post as the original displays aboot 1" wide for some reason. Too tough on my old eyes to read a second time.

Hack job.... poorly written, has inaccuracies, omissions and half truths. Poorly done. Lame. Biased.


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