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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: zappaisgod] * 4
    #22419377 - 10/22/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I never thought a string right-winger would be so in favor of big brother looking after us :rofl:


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22419379 - 10/22/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Everybody I know who has put on serious bike miles has had to lay the bike down at some point.




That just means you hang out with a bunch of idiots.  I know several people who have been riding 10+ years without ever doing something stupid enough to lay there bike down.  My favorite part is where you only know that phrase from watching SOA reruns.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22419385 - 10/22/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

personally, all i have a stance on is causing traffic congestion by trying to speed ahead of everyone, because idiocy.

the guy did however get into an accident because he didn't know who he was dealing with ahead of him.

case in point. the guy fucked up by trying to speed ahead of everyone in front of him...let me ask you a question...you think that his trying to overtake that guy who ended up running off the road and ramming him...do you think that the cyclist would've stopped at that particular guy and just not try and overtake anyone else?

like Zappa asked, why don't motorcyclists have to follow the law, when everyone else has to move at a turtles pace? some code? well, i'm pretty sure that old guy had a code too...if people try to illegally overtake me, they should be rammed off the road because they're gonna cause an accident for someone else, and i wanna prevent that.

morals. they're tricky.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22419390 - 10/22/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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that looks like a giant booger. :lol:



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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: emf]
    #22419397 - 10/22/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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emf said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
I put about 50 miles and realized I was totally incapable of operating it in a safe manner.






yeah, on the highway it should especially easy to be safe. as long as you know how to stay out of everyone's way...which ironically most motorcyclists don't.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22419403 - 10/22/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Mr.PhilCybin said:
I never thought a string right-winger would be so in favor of big brother looking after us :rofl:



My position is that if you ride and you fuck up you pay or you get no medical care unless you pay for it.  Your risk your loss.  That, by the way, is exactly my position on drugs.  They should be legal.  All of them.  But if you blow it you are on your own.  But this is not the case with either drugs or motorcycles.  I alos apply this to all other risky behavior like mountain climbing.  Why should the taxpayer be on the hook for your rescue?


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22419407 - 10/22/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

because we're all working together Zappa...don't you know?


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22419421 - 10/22/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
personally, all i have a stance on is causing traffic congestion by trying to speed ahead of everyone, because idiocy.

the guy did however get into an accident because he didn't know who he was dealing with ahead of him.

case in point. the guy fucked up by trying to speed ahead of everyone in front of him...let me ask you a question...you think that his trying to overtake that guy who ended up running off the road and ramming him...do you think that the cyclist would've stopped at that particular guy and just not try and overtake anyone else?

like Zappa asked, why don't motorcyclists have to follow the law, when everyone else has to move at a turtles pace? some code? well, i'm pretty sure that old guy had a code too...if people try to illegally overtake me, they should be rammed off the road because they're gonna cause an accident for someone else, and i wanna prevent that.

morals. they're tricky.





Honestly, I think everyone should be able to cross that stupid line qhwn it's safe
cars or bikes, it doesn't matter.  I understand that traffic laws are in place to try to keep everyone on the same page and keep things safe. but sometime's it's safe to break them

it's 4am, you're crossing the street, but it's a red light. you've pushed that fucking button for like 5 minutes.  you haven't seen a car the entire time. you're gonna tell me you wouldn't cross because it's breaking the law?

I think it's fine to operate on your own code as long as it doesn't interfere with other's safety. in this case, the butthurt old man's code did.  terribly.

it's way safer for a bike to pass than a car because -
1- they're faster requiring less time being on the wrong side of the road
2- see above. you can leave a much bigger gap before you get in front of the car being passed.
3-they have much less mass to injure someone in the event of a crash
4- you can do wheelies.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22419424 - 10/22/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Check out this fucking asshole





I am serious when I say I've Never had any issues with motorcyclists.
The cars and Trucks are the problem and are the cause of most accidents.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Atreyu]
    #22419434 - 10/22/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

had he been in a car you'd be looking at a fatal head on crash.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Atreyu]
    #22419437 - 10/22/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, it figures, drivers of other vehicles get in the way of motorcyclists, Atreyu, because everyone breaks the law and because a truck driver or a car driver cannot assess the different rules motorcyclists give eachother.

go figure.

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Mr.PhilCybin said:
had he been in a car you'd be looking at a fatal head on crash.



which is why you shouldn't try to overtake another's vehicle.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22419502 - 10/22/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

there's a time when it can be done safely (see first video in OP) and a time when it can't be done safely (see above video)


do you honestly not see a difference there?

it's black or white?


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22419517 - 10/22/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
because we're all working together Zappa...don't you know?



No, we are not.  Kumbaya my ass.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin] * 1
    #22419537 - 10/22/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Mr.PhilCybin said:
there's a time when it can be done safely (see first video in OP) and a time when it can't be done safely (see above video)


do you honestly not see a difference there?

it's black or white?



i see the difference. what i am saying is that cyclists will back eachother up in every instance, because they're bikers. that's their "clique".

the instance for using an overtaking maneuver is justified only when a biker does it, to a biker, because with a bike you can get away with it...according to "the code".


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22419546 - 10/22/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what?


I don't see where you're coming from.

there's asshole's on motorcycles too. tons of them. and there's times when passing is a terrible idea and I wouldn't support it.


the video in the op on the other hand, was totally safe. or should have been.

what code would that be?

why can't it EVER be safe for a bike to pass a car, or a car to pass a bike, or a car to pass a car?

I'm seriously confused at the point you're trying to make here.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22419591 - 10/22/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it's not safe to pass a specific zone that requires you stay in the lines because you don't know who is ahead of you that's going to try the same thing.

that's exactly why cyclists shouldn't exempt themselves from being law abiding on the road...they WILL cause accidents. i don't care about statistics on whether car-driving road warriors cause more accidents than cyclist road warriors...because it's never an excuse. you put yourself in harm's way AND more importantly you put other people in harms way.

on a long stretch of road like in the OP, sure, it's not too risky usually, but i've seen worse...i've seen people in busy highways just jetting across and in-between people making everything altogether dangerous for anyone who is a split second off from perceiving the guy whom is of course unexpectedly breaking the rules.

and the guy in the video, did he think he was going to be dealing with an idiot today? no. if he would have stayed coordinated by the traffic ahead of him, he'd have never have gotten hit.

hindsight is always twenty twenty, and STILL people refuse to see that.

but all for the sake of getting to the lights first...:shrug: why not. i'm indifferent to this issue. just trying to instill some logic into the proceedings so we're all not in an echo-chamber of cyclist logic about "codes" and about when it's ok to break the law or not. anarchy, you know....


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22419629 - 10/22/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

it's not safe to pass a specific zone that requires you stay in the lines because you don't know who is ahead of you that's going to try the same thing.




agreed.  that's why I was very specific in stating that there are times when you can and can't pass safely.  I need at least a 1/4 mile before I'd pass a single car on a slow road on a bike.
about a full mile in my slow truck.

Quote:

but i've seen worse...i've seen people in busy highways just jetting across and in-between people making everything altogether dangerous for anyone who is a split second off from perceiving the guy whom is of course unexpectedly breaking the rules.




I never advocated this.  and please be sure that the majority of riders out there like walking and waking up in the morning and dont do that kind of shit either.
again, people in cars are just as guilty. I don't get why they're being so singled out.

Quote:

did he think he was going to be dealing with an idiot today? no. if he would have stayed coordinated by the traffic ahead of him, he'd have never have gotten hit.




so it's his fault for not assuming the guy was an asshole?  and that makes it ok all the sudden? wtf?
with that said, I used to assume the worse around every car and it kept me really safe.

Quote:

but all for the sake of getting to the lights first...:shrug: why not. i'm indifferent to this issue




it's actually way safer on a bike to get to the front of traffic at a light and get some space than it is to stay in a sea of cars.  aside from getting infront of people.

being on a bike you're really vulnerable and being far away from cars is usually a goal.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22419647 - 10/22/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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so it's his fault for not assuming the guy was an asshole?  and that makes it ok all the sudden? wtf?
with that said, I used to assume the worse around every car and it kept me really safe.




no one ever said anything was ok.

and this is exactly the point. you feel safe assuming the worse of drivers...guess what they fuckin' do....

Quote:

it's actually way safer on a bike to get to the front of traffic at a light and get some space than it is to stay in a sea of cars.  aside from getting infront of people.

being on a bike you're really vulnerable and being far away from cars is usually a goal.




so then motorcyclists should get their own laws. but then that's when things get even messier, isn't it?

maybe they should get their own roads. because when someone cuts in front of someone else...it's always illegal and it's always dangerous and it always increases the likelihood of accidents...always.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22419671 - 10/22/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I would be in favor of separate roads. 

I'd be willing to bet that accidents involving motorcycles go way down, and accidents involving cars stay the same.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22419691 - 10/22/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Shroomslip said:
He's not really an asshole though. Around here in the long stretches of back roads, people pass on the double yellow all the time. The only time the double yellow is really ever even acknowledged, is in the city and even THEN it doesn't get much attention. You can pass cops on the back roads over double yellow and they won't do anything about it. We yield to common sense, not strict interpretation of law. Like the fact that the only reason that double yellow exists is for the cars in the oncoming lane because a curve is coming up and they can't see if anyone's around the bend. The biker had a huge straight away to get around them.

If passing on a double yellow makes someone an asshole then practically every single driver around here is an asshole, and if we're all equal, then we're not really assholes. What makes you an asshole on the road is thinking you own it and can do whatever you want. We don't think like this. We just use common sense on the long stretches of back country roads. If you can see a mile ahead of you and it's a full on straight away with the nearest car barely even visible, what the hell does it matter if we cross some arbitrary line? There is no logic to this argument at all. It's just people who have a thing against bikers and pointing to some stupid technicality to suit their own desires to bash the bikers.

That old guy probably passes people on the double yellow all the time.




I don't.  And the double yellow isn't a technicality.  There are plenty of places around here where you get a dotted line on your side.  There is a reason for them and aside from your safety it is also for the safety of oncoming traffic.  Just fucking wait for one.  How hard is that?  In the city?  There are no half dotted lines in a city.




And they also make those lines with the slowest cars out there in mind. A motorcycle that does 0-100 in 5.5 seconds can safely a in lot of situations cars cant.


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