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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: D.M.T]
#22420823 - 10/22/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: Why's the old guy in jail if the motorcyclist is the one at fault?
the cyclist got a citation as well, i believe.
plus that is some real black and white thinking there.
the old guy's in jail because he confessed in video that he practically did it on purpose, and then changed his story, insinuating himself. why did the cyclist get a citation if he wasn't in the wrong? how about if i flip that for you? 
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Shroomslip said: Arguing with Akira is pretty exhausting most of the time 
he barely even tried. plus he kept insinuating i said the bikes was going slower than the car...like i never said that dude. 
all i said was: would he be able to get ahead of the car in front enough to avoid getting in his way, ie, was he going fast enough?
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psi said: The biker would not have been rear-ended in the scenario you're describing, unless he slowed down in front of the car, or it accelerated towards him.
^ yeah, see, he got it but then refused to acknowledge the argument. so WHAT IF he accelerated and the bike wasn't going fast enough to avoid a collision at that point? dangerous or no?
what's more logical? staying your lane, or boosting out in front of people unexpectedly?
Edited by akira_akuma (10/22/15 11:11 PM)
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420835 - 10/22/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let me put it this way. They're going about 40mph when he tries to pass (I've done the math, since some people are claiming they were actually going 60). That bike could almost definitely hit 90+ before the car even got up to 60. So yes, the bike was capable of getting around quickly (much quicker than a car ever could) and could literally leave the cars in it's dust. Once the bike got around him, there is literally 0 chance the car could ever speed up enough to hit the motorcycle.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22420846 - 10/22/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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nor slow down?
good, that's all i was asking. 
so cars are for suckers, for mere law abiders. away with double-lines, that shit is for pussies! what Brennschluss.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22420885 - 10/22/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i thought you were going to work on your arguing problem.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22420913 - 10/22/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: You can't refute mine. Want me to repeat it? Under the exact same conditions just without a double line, the pass would've been considered "safe" and no one would be focusing on the biker. A second line does not add any danger to the situation at all. There is nothing about the road in the direction the biker was traveling that would call for a double line because of some unsafe condition. In fact the only thing that caused the wreck was some old retarded psycho.
then why is there a double line there? i'd presume it's because it's a two lane street and police don't want speed demon's darting in and out of them at a clip. what's the speed limit on that road? 50-ish?
so there is your answer. the reason it isn't "safe" is because there is only a forward lane and an oncoming lane, and when people try to pass vehicles by going into the oncoming lane, they create panic, and traffic accidents. so many bikers are going to pass vehicles until one of them comes into oncoming traffic; i'd presume that's why the lines are there, to prevent that.
your argument is that under the same conditions the outcome would have been the same, safe, assuming there was no old asshole? than how come other driver's do not use the oncoming lane as an approach to get ahead of traffic? oh because they're not motorcycles?
so motorcyclists can put themselves and others in danger, because they're riding motorcycles? is that your insinuation?
or is it that "if you're a good driver you should be able to manage regardless of any dangers"?
which is it exactly?
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sprinkles said: i thought you were going to work on your arguing problem.
this thread is FOR arguments... or is it an echo-chamber?
personally, i wasn't really arguing when i entered here...i said something, it conflagrated into something else when someone insistent that haven't any point. i do. i'm addressing it. 
you should see my first two posts here, one was spot on, and the other spot on and hilarious! 
i'm like the goddamn Nietzsche of this thread. you have to read all my posts to truly understand them.
Edited by akira_akuma (10/22/15 11:28 PM)
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420970 - 10/22/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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The police don't decide where to put what line on which road, that is the job of civil engineers. They design the roads for the least capable vehicles that will use them, ie large trucks. On a section of road that has been deemed unsafe for a truck (or car) to pass another on, it is not always unsafe for the cyclist to do so.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#22420990 - 10/22/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ahhh, i'm meant that i'm sure the lines are designated for legal reasons (not by the cops per se). regardless if it's to curb reckless driving or to, as you said, to accommodate the proper conveyances depending on which are the least capable of using them.
ie to avoid accidents, traffic blight, &c.
thanks for the clarification.
basically, disregarding the Brennschluss here, the rule of thumb is: cars drool, bikes rule. cars are for the weak! bikes are the true king of the road. cars cannot pull off what bikes can. bikes can pull off breaking the law and creating dangerous spots, because if you're good enough, it's hardly noticeable.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22421016 - 10/22/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think a better rule is: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#22421041 - 10/23/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think that's what happened. 
like i said: the old guy should have just feigned cluelessness, sped up, and not let the guy in, to be an asshole, and then no one would have anything to say about anything, because we're all proud of breaking the rules here. the guy should have just not let him in, and kept him in the other lane, just so he'd have to decelerate, get back in line, or face the oncoming traffic approximately 6 seconds after what was the time of the initial crash in this scenario.
make the biker have to own up to the fact that accidents happen when they try to overtake other vehicles in a two lane street by making him regret ever deciding to hop in the other lane...just like "oop durr um, i'm going to accelerate, i'm not getting to my destination fast enough!" *RRREEEEEERRRM* "oh wait, you're trying to get in ahead of me? oops sorry didn't see ya i was picking my nose!"
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22421083 - 10/23/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
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D.M.T said: Why's the old guy in jail if the motorcyclist is the one at fault?
the cyclist got a citation as well, i believe.
plus that is some real black and white thinking there.
the old guy's in jail because he confessed in video that he practically did it on purpose, and then changed his story, insinuating himself. why did the cyclist get a citation if he wasn't in the wrong? how about if i flip that for you? 
You realize that the citation the cyclist received is only a traffic offense and does not constitute as a criminal record, right?
Whereas old guy has severe felonies that will be putting him away for a long, long time.. Had old guy not swerved and hit him, neither of them would have received any punishment at all.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22421102 - 10/23/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow.
I thought for sure when I got home it would have died down 
seriously akira?
why are you so doubtful that the bike isn't fast enough to pass the car.
you know the acceleration on sport bikes like those right? 0-60 in usually 3.5ish (+/-1) seconds.
you wouldn't have to change gears and you could pass that guy in 3 seconds.
have you also been this fucking stubborn?
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22421123 - 10/23/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i think that's what happened. 
like i said: the old guy should have just feigned cluelessness, sped up, and not let the guy in, to be an asshole, and then no one would have anything to say about anything, because we're all proud of breaking the rules here. the guy should have just not let him in, and kept him in the other lane, just so he'd have to decelerate, get back in line, or face the oncoming traffic approximately 6 seconds after what was the time of the initial crash in this scenario.
make the biker have to own up to the fact that accidents happen when they try to overtake other vehicles in a two lane street by making him regret ever deciding to hop in the other lane...just like "oop durr um, i'm going to accelerate, i'm not getting to my destination fast enough!" *RRREEEEEERRRM* "oh wait, you're trying to get in ahead of me? oops sorry didn't see ya i was picking my nose!"
Go fuck your hat, goof.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#22421128 - 10/23/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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dude, i'm not taking this very seriously i hope you know. my arguments, i'm telling you, have Slothropian arcs, impossible to predict!
a: i'm not being stubborn. anything that was addressed to me that wasn't "akira pfft he's an idiot" got a response. a non-lofty one at that. see above posts in regards to Shroomslip
b: i am only wondering if there'd be enough clearance in front of the "old guy" if the cyclist had gotten in front of him, enough so to avoid slowing the old guy down in his car
and c: main argument: is it alright for bikers to have disregard for the rules of the road because they can get away with it (causing less accidents than a car or truck, because their conveyance is smaller/faster)?
my main argument shrapnelled off into a bunch of different delegations. mainly because i was having a lulzy time.
also, before any of that my reply here was pretty clear.
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akira_akuma said: why have a motorcycle over a car? mileage? safety? no that can't be it...hmmm - oh! i know! speed & dodging in and out of traffic.
might beat those fuckers at the light and be a real badass whilst doing it.
THAT'S why a motorcycle over a car.
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akira_akuma said: people on the road, in general, are stupid behind the wheel, the majority of them.
all pretty agreeable, i'd say. 
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Khii Khwaay said:
Go fuck your hat, goof.
what a retard. lol see? it's hard to disagree with logic. guy could have been an idiot, accelerated, and then biker would have to account for that too...what is he, a mind reader? oh but of course, he's a cyclist!
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D.M.T said: Had old guy not swerved and hit him, neither of them would have received any punishment at all.
unless there was a cop there who witnessed him and his dangerous driving.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22421135 - 10/23/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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At least I'm smart enough to pass a driver's test.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#22421137 - 10/23/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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A HUR HUR wow, you got me there!
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22421148 - 10/23/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I was a driving examiner, all you would have to do is open your mouth and speak in the manner that you post here: FAIL
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#22421157 - 10/23/15 12:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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go be that man.
i'm not a driver. i can't exactly posit the same usage of words that a driver might. however, that doesn't mean jack-shit in regards to addressing an argument.
the double lines are, i presume, not just there for aesthetic reasons...somehow it occurs to me that you should understand that rationale, considering your experience as a driver.
so do you think motorcyclists should be able to break road laws and potentially deliver confusion to other patrons of the road, simply cause they can?
answer simply now.
maybe this thread would have been better if everyone was just saying how the old guy should be like...killed or jailed or whatever.
but, fuck, with me, you get up to 14 pages of pure idiocy! how can you beat that? most awesome pub thread there is right now. 
this motley thread is way lulzier then any thread for the past...i dunno, week even....
Edited by akira_akuma (10/23/15 12:54 AM)
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I already adressed the yellow lines in a previous post. You pussyfoot around the issues and wander so far off topic that I realise the above posters are correct. It's pointless trying to have a discussion with you.
Enjoy your hangover tomorrow
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oh jesus...the butthurt...it's too much...
"it just like impossible to have a discussion with you, like OH MY GAWD".
you already addressed the yellow lines...great...what about all the other stuff!1 
well, some people can see what i'm saying, they agree with me, but clearly don't want to play interlocutor to such a bizarre love triangle of butthurt disputants. (you know who you are)
it certainly wasn't possible to consolidate all my various points considering that it's like 5 against 1 here (5?) but simply based on the colluding going on here (i didn't say anything insulting to anyone, but look at all the insults i get LOL), i can see that i am doing more damage than i even thought i would with some of those vagaries. the main point is easy:
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why have a motorcycle over a car? mileage? safety? no that can't be it...hmmm - oh! i know! speed & dodging in and out of traffic.
might beat those fuckers at the light and be a real badass whilst doing it.
THAT'S why a motorcycle over a car.
^that's why you have a motorcycle over a car. you can realistically do what everyone WANTS to do on the road, and that's overtake everyone and be first in line to go.
but sadly...and no one can disagree with any evidence...THAT creates accidents. THAT is a MAIN CAUSE of accidents. but of course those who love biking will never agree with that sentiment.
and i'm not trying to make an appeal to authority here, i'm not saying "damn bikers took our jerbs!" or "but the law says this..." or anything of the sort, you're just TAKING it that way, because you have no were else to turn. you can't actually address any argument because they're too vague for you. i really have failed on that part, i need to take like a logic course, familiarize with the vernacular, and then just posit the crap out of my arguments, and still run circles around you...and still have you not understand. so it's pretty well pointless, but nevertheless...fun.
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He's not going to have one. This is just him. This is pretty much what happens in every single debate he gets in.
I think somewhere in there is an actual intelligent person, because I've seen him make some very astute and intelligent posts, but they're kinda rare. This thread though, is basically his MO. The intelligent posts are the anomaly. I don't get how he's able to make some of the posts he has, but still revert to mostly this.
I guess trolling is the most plausible scenario, but I can never really get behind him being a troll. He seems to genuinely believe the stuff he says. It's like some kind of paradox. He's simultaneously an idiot and more intelligent than the majority of people here.
It's just weird, honestly.
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