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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: sprinkles]
    #22420659 - 10/22/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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your mouth butt keeps throwing up.  stoppit.




my old friend actually drew that once. i wish i would have kept it. :lol:

but too bad i'm so far correct in my assertions.

it's a strange world when akira_akuma is right, you know.

but nah, then again, that's rather presumptuous...but no one can tell me how i'm wrong without resorting to making the "old guy" a strawman.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22420668 - 10/22/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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1: his bike, in the video, wasn't going faster than the car ahead of him, he would have had to accelerate, but being that both parties in question aren't mind-readers, the driver of the car could have sped up all the same, in essence, stopping the cyclist from making his approach.





He obviously was going faster than the car. If the car was going faster or the same speed, he would not have moved closer to it.

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2: he could have got rear-ended if that was the case, which is dangerous.

3: he could have been stuck, in the above instance, also, in the opposite lane, trying to get ahead of the "old guy" driver, which would have been dangerous for those in the opposite lane and for drivers behind the "old guy".




There was plenty of space in front of the car, and additionally it was quite a while before the cars going in the opposing direction got there. The biker was breaking the law for sure, but the situation was not particularly dangerous aside from the whole vehicular assault thing. All the driver of the car had to do to avoid a crash was to drive like a sane person and not use his car to attack someone.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22420673 - 10/22/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

1. That is easy enough to remedy, it's called reducing speed and getting back in your lane. Yes there are assholes who WILL purposely speed up when you try to pass, but for the most part, around here, people are more than happy to let you pass. No one wants to be the dick holding everyone up, except for the few dicks there are. They will signal they're going to let you pass by clicking their turn signals on and off a couple of times. If there's a shoulder to the road they will even move over to the shoulder some to make it easier and slow down once you start to get speed.

That doesn't even take into account that a motorcycles acceleration is insane compared to car. Even if the guy slammed on the gas, there's a very good chance the motorcycle could still pass him with total ease. Dude's driving a 20-30 year old sedan, not a Ferrari. It can't even dream of outpacing a motorcycle, not in top speed and definitely not in acceleration. In short, the car could never have sped up to keep him from passing. That only works on other cars.

That also covers 2 and 3. 4 isn't even worth debating really, but this is back country, not downtown. Any lights you might encounter (and they will be extremely rare) are either only red for a very brief time, in which you can just slow down some so it's green when you get to it, or more likely, the light is a flashing yellow where people turning onto the road are required to yield to all traffic already on it. There really is no traffic on those roads. A dozen cars in a mile or two doesn't really constitute traffic. At least not when we're talking about congestion. It's actually backwards of your assumption. Passing the slower traffic IS what keeps the congestion from happening. If no one passed and just went at the pace of the slowest moving car, more cars are going to be constantly building up behind someone.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22420678 - 10/22/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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sprinkles said:
your mouth butt keeps throwing up.  stoppit.




my old friend actually drew that once. i wish i would have kept it. :lol:

but too bad i'm so far correct in my assertions.

it's a strange world when akira_akuma is right, you know.

but nah, then again, that's rather presumptuous...but no one can tell me how i'm wrong without resorting to making the "old guy" a strawman.





i am right all the time too.  in my own mind. No one listens anyway, and thats a good thing cause I dont want to be the person making peoples decisions for them.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: psi]
    #22420681 - 10/22/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

there were cars ahead of the old guy too. and the cycle wasn't fast enough to overtake the car, clearly, because he was hit. if he wasn't hit i could see how he was able to get ahead of him.

but that isn't the problem. his getting ahead means other's can't speed up, which is their right, to speed up without someone getting in front of them from an opposing lane.

see my point is that: it's that if the old guy would have been sane, he could, perfectly sanely, have sped up at the same time as the biker, which would deride the biker's approach to get in front.

all of which could cause an accident. :shrug:

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i am right all the time too.  in my own mind. No one listens anyway, and thats a good thing cause I dont want to be the person making peoples decisions for them.



you couldn't possibly...unless you were right enough for the noble lie.

i doubt it though. but maybe! maybe....


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: sprinkles]
    #22420682 - 10/22/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I take ALL THE CREDITand none of the blame.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22420706 - 10/22/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I can't believe people are still replying to Akira... You guys do realize it's completely pointless, right?

It's always the same thing over and over... He's always so obviously wrong and people go on for pages and pages trying to convince him he's wrong but it never works because he's either A. Highly illogical/Not very smart, or B. A troll, or possibly C. All of the above.

I've learned it's not worth taking part in, hell it's not even worth reading.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22420708 - 10/22/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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1. That is easy enough to remedy, it's called reducing speed and getting back in your lane. Yes there are assholes who WILL purposely speed up when you try to pass, but for the most part, around here, people are more than happy to let you pass. No one wants to be the dick holding everyone up, except for the few dicks there are. They will signal they're going to let you pass by clicking their turn signals on and off a couple of times. If there's a shoulder to the road they will even move over to the shoulder some to make it easier and slow down once you start to get speed.

That doesn't even take into account that a motorcycles acceleration is insane compared to car. Even if the guy slammed on the gas, there's a very good chance the motorcycle could still pass him with total ease. Dude's driving a 20-30 year old sedan, not a Ferrari. It can't even dream of outpacing a motorcycle, not in top speed and definitely not in acceleration. In short, the car could never have sped up to keep him from passing. That only works on other cars.

That also covers 2 and 3. 4 isn't even worth debating really, but this is back country, not downtown. Any lights you might encounter (and they will be extremely rare) are either only red for a very brief time, in which you can just slow down some so it's green when you get to it, or more likely, the light is a flashing yellow where people turning onto the road are required to yield to all traffic already on it. There really is no traffic on those roads. A dozen cars in a mile or two doesn't really constitute traffic. At least not when we're talking about congestion. It's actually backwards of your assumption. Passing the slower traffic IS what keeps the congestion from happening. If no one passed and just went at the pace of the slowest moving car, more cars are going to be constantly building up behind someone.




there was a car less than half a click out, as soon as the accident happened. not a mile....

unless the biker is going to go top speed (which he wasn't) then he isn't going to pass anyone without getting in their way all at once. if he was going fast i'd agree with you, but he wasn't, in the video he was going approximately as fast as the car was, if only SLIGHTLY faster, which is frankly safe but that's not taking into account OTHER PEOPLE on the road.

that's my point, accounting for other people, whether they're idiots or not, THAT's why there are traffic laws, so that you don't confuse other idiot drivers...if everyone was an awesome driver, we'd require no laws and we'd ALL be driving motorcycles, wouldn't we?

i still think the "old guy" could've, very realistically, sped up at all the same time as the cyclist did, and thus would create problems getting into the proper lane, and/or problems with the car perhaps having to slow down unaccountably for the biker to pass in front, to avoid rear-ending him, if the bike wasn't going top speed, which it clearly wasn't.

if it was, then he'd have been able to pass him easily...if he didn't get hit of course.

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treant said:
I can't believe people are still replying to Akira... You guys do realize it's completely pointless, right?

It's always the same thing over and over... He's always so obviously wrong and people go on for pages and pages trying to convince him he's wrong but it never works because he's either A. Highly illogical/Not very smart, or B. A troll, or possibly C. All of the above.

I've learned it's not worth taking part in, hell it's not even worth reading.




it's not my fault boring arguments is all that happens around here...don't blame me for trying to lighten things up a little. :shrug: i know inserting humor into an argument doesn't really help much, but it sure makes things more fun.


Edited by akira_akuma (10/23/15 03:34 AM)


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22420723 - 10/22/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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there were cars ahead of the old guy too. and the cycle wasn't fast enough to overtake the car, clearly, because he was hit. if he wasn't hit i could see how he was able to get ahead of him.




He was not able to overtake the car because it swerved out and hit him. That does not mean that he wasn't otherwise going fast enough to overtake the car. However, if, as you claimed, he was going slower than the car, he never would have caught up to it in the first place.


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but that isn't the problem. his getting ahead means other's can't speed up, which is their right, to speed up without someone getting in front of them from an opposing lane.

see my point is that: it's that if the old guy would have been sane, he could, perfectly sanely, have sped up at the same time as the biker, which would deride the biker's approach to get in front.

all of which could cause an accident. :shrug:




Passing cars on a 2-lane country road is a pretty normal occurrence. Ordinarily it goes pretty smoothly. It seems like you simply don't have much experience with it.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: psi]
    #22420736 - 10/22/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i never said he was going slower than the car. never. i said he was going slightly faster than the car, in order to overtake him, but he was mostly following the speed of other drivers, given the fact of it being a two lane street, and he'd have to stick to the one lane regardless of how fast he could go.

i said that if he was going only slightly faster, then if the car driver accelerated during the cyclist overtaking him, unless the biker ALSO accelerated too, he'd be in risk for being rear-ended because he wasn't going fast enough to overtake the car accelerating, which could have very well been the case.

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Passing cars on a 2-lane country road is a pretty normal occurrence. Ordinarily it goes pretty smoothly. It seems like you simply don't have much experience with it.




it's also a normal concurrence for those instances to have accidents following them. :shrug:


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22420743 - 10/22/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Watch the video more closely, pay attention to the bikes speed relative to the speed of the car when he first starts to pass but before the guy swerves. Yes when the guy finally hits him, they are going about the same speed. That's not because they couldn't have gone fast enough to get around him quickly (actually they were almost passed him already, literally one more second and it never would've happened) it's because instincts took over when he first started seeing the car swerve and tried to brake to avoid the collision.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22420750 - 10/22/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You said he wasn't going faster than the car, which means that he was going the same speed or slower. Neither of which would result in him catching up to the car.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #22420755 - 10/22/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Anahata said:
let me put this in a way you can understand, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.



let me put it in a way you can...oh wait, i can't. simple logic doesn't compute in this instance, because we all have to hate the "old guy" just ...you know...cause.



Why's the old guy in jail if the motorcyclist is the one at fault?


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #22420758 - 10/22/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Passing cars on a 2-lane country road is a pretty normal occurrence. Ordinarily it goes pretty smoothly. It seems like you simply don't have much experience with it.




it's also a normal concurrence for those instances to have accidents following them. :shrug:



:lol::facepalm:

Srs question, how much driving experience do you actually have?

Just wondering because it seems like you've never been on a road before in your life.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: PLURAL]
    #22420762 - 10/22/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We already covered this a few pages back. He doesn't drive.


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Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
    #22420777 - 10/22/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's enough for me, I'm going to bed.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: psi] * 2
    #22420781 - 10/22/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Arguing with Akira is pretty exhausting most of the time :lol:


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22420784 - 10/22/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, i can see that, he slowed as he saw him swerve. pretty natural reaction.

do you think he would have been able to get back in the lane though without the "old guy" having to slow down...? seems like the car behind "old guy" was getting pretty far up his ass, just a bit. wouldn't be smart to get in front and have someone have to slow down.

do you think "old guy" wouldn't have had to slow down, do you think that the cyclist could have been fast enough to pull out ahead of "old guy" enough so that could both maintain their respective speeds?

that's my question, because i'm thinking that either the guy could have maybe have been rear-ended OR maybe have caused the "old guy" to slow down, which all would have been unexpected to the driver behind him.

the crux here is that: would it be safe for all drivers there to pull ahead like that; because how i figure it, it would be unlikely that he would have pulled far out enough ahead of the car to avoid slowing him down; which could be dangerous.

now if he could (pull out ahead enough) then "old guy" has no cause for concern...but that's only IF.

so could he?


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22420804 - 10/22/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We already covered this a few pages back. He doesn't drive.



Haha, I didn't read the thread, I'd rather look at really bad STD pics for an extended period of time than do that.

But yeah, that explains why it seems so obvious that he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.


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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: psi]
    #22420809 - 10/22/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You said he wasn't going faster than the car, which means that he was going the same speed or slower. Neither of which would result in him catching up to the car.



i'm wonder how far ahead of the car he could have gotten at the speed he was going initially, ie whether by a car's length, or two or ect ect ect, and what would be safe. that's my question: how far ahead is safe?

would the cyclist have gotten a car's length ahead of the car? two? more? and at what length of space between the two vehicles would prevent the cyclist from being rear-ended? one? two? more?

personally, i think he would have only gotten ahead by a mere car's length, and thus if the car driver would have sped up, unaccounted for, he could have hit him. :shrug:


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