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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22420417 - 10/22/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: You sure use a lot of words to say "I have no idea what I'm talking about".
nah, i think i've read the situation better than you have. two lanes, bike trying to overtake other drivers going *insert direction here*, by skimming in-between lanes in order to get ahead of drivers, one at a time, and having the other drivers having to account for this inconsistency in their lanes, having traffic "pop-up" essentially out of nowhere, meaning they have to slow or avoid speeding up, in order to let the cyclist pass, or else the cyclist has to have a pretty fast bike. i don't think the cyclist in the video was fast enough to overtake the old man at top speed...so the old man would have to slow down in order to let him pass, or else risk a collision with the rear as the cyclist gets into his lane.
that's what happened. 
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Shroomslip said: You keep throwing out random shit that didn't happen or wasn't a factor.
no, i'm putting things into perspective to show that people shouldn't be trying to get ahead of drivers, whether they CAN or NOT, because it's dangerous and it causes traffic to collect. 
i'm not interested in your personal incredulity. you can't see what i'm saying because you've got your blinders on.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22420425 - 10/22/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another paragraph to say "I don't know what I'm talking about".
Stop over complicating this.
Just say it like me.. "I don't know what I'm talking about". See? Simple.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420428 - 10/22/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: let us all imagine a world where all drivers that aren't on a bike have to slow down for bikers at their behest, so that bikers can avoid being rear-ended when they cross double lines in order to skate ahead of traffic, because that would just be wrong to allow even the possibility of such a thing.
or have a really really fast bike....
When you get rear-ended, the vehicle behind you was travelling faster than you were. When you overtake another vehicle to pass it, you are travelling faster than it is. The biker would not have been rear-ended in the scenario you're describing, unless he slowed down in front of the car, or it accelerated towards him.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22420431 - 10/22/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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no, you're overcomplicating things with your appeal to ignorance.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420432 - 10/22/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
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Anahata said: let me put this in a way you can understand, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
let me put it in a way you can...oh wait, i can't. simple logic doesn't compute in this instance, because we all have to hate the "old guy" just ...you know...cause.
Why dont you drive?
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: psi]
#22420447 - 10/22/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you get rear-ended, the vehicle behind you was travelling faster than you were. When you overtake another vehicle to pass it, you are travelling faster than it is. The biker would not have been rear-ended in the scenario you're describing, unless he slowed down in front of the car, or it accelerated towards him.
right. the old man here wouldn't have been able to do anything but slow-down to let the biker in the lane, otherwise there'd be risk of collision. he certainly couldn't speed up, but isn't it his right? and secondly, was he going the limit? if so, was the biker? and if the biker doesn't have to do the posted speed, then so should the driver behind him not have to do the posted speed, so hence because of that, to avoid a rearending the car in question would have to slow or avoid speeding up, which speeding up is perfectly his right. why should other drivers have to accommodate for this guy, and avoid going the speed they feel they ought to? no one has answered that, maybe you can.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420448 - 10/22/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you drunk akira?
That & most other bikes would likely be fast enough to over take a car with ease.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420457 - 10/22/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You trying to tell me you're not ignorant? The abundance of evidence here says otherwise. Do you even know what the definition of ignorance is? You've already admitted you're ignorant when it comes to driving because you don't. There are lots of things you learn about driving from experience you simply cannot read or obtain any other way.
You don't drive, but want to come here and tell us who was right or wrong in the situation. Next you're going to start analyzing piloting mistakes and decide who was wrong there as well.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Atreyu]
#22420468 - 10/22/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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didn't look like it did it look like he overtook him, he was tailend to the car.
to have overtaken him, he'd have needed more time, and more space still, and the driver clearly wasn't going to slow down for him. in fact, it's his right to speed up, given it's within the posted limit, leaving the biker open to some really interesting decisions. does he stay in the opposite lane until he's got room to get in front of "old guy"? does he hop in front and have old guy have to slow down to avoid rearending him? or maybe the biker could have gotten much further ahead and then he's got the incoming traffic to worry about (see video at crash, there is at that very point a car incoming ahead, maybe a half a click out. not alot of time to be making such rash decisions. that's why there are traffic laws.
i love how you are making this into a zero-sum game...i thought you were smart but now you and i have DISAGREEMENTS!!
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22420509 - 10/22/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: You trying to tell me you're not ignorant? The abundance of evidence here says otherwise. Do you even know what the definition of ignorance is? You've already admitted you're ignorant when it comes to driving because you don't. There are lots of things you learn about driving from experience you simply cannot read or obtain any other way.
You don't drive, but want to come here and tell us who was right or wrong in the situation. Next you're going to start analyzing piloting mistakes and decide who was wrong there as well.
i'm not telling anyone who's wrong or right. and i certainly don't seem very ignorant given that i can approach the discussion rationally, and can see points of contention in the whole dichotomy of "old guy = bad biker = good" because i can see that if the situation was different and the old guy didn't idiotically swipe the biker, that there could be alot more reasons for concern on the road there given towards the cyclist's propensity to try and cut through traffic in his lane, to i dunno, make ends meet perhaps?
but you're already not hearing any of it. you've no counter argument.
when bikers want to cut ahead of other drivers because they can, it's dangerous. simply put. and people who try and get ahead of drivers by breaking the law only end up causing more traffic on commute, because they end up slowing everyone around them down, because those people have to accommodate for their recklessness.
Edited by akira_akuma (10/22/15 11:40 PM)
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420514 - 10/22/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you see my edited post? Cause I said 'I thought you were smart' but didn't want to be that guy. I apologize if that hurt you.
I am guessing his bike was at least 250cc which most likely a rider on that bike could have easily passed with ease.
It didn't look like he was going very fast though. When you're driving you a responsible for making proper lane changes ie. making sure you have room and can safely move over.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Atreyu]
#22420519 - 10/22/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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it didn't look that fast, indeed! that's what i'm saying. 
PS: i'm not hurt. why would your disagreement hurt me? wasn't it me who just said that that shouldn't be a problem?
PPS: he wasn't making "lane changes" BTW. he was cutting into an opposite going lane to get in front of the cars in front of him...ie cutting them off.
maybe perhaps so on the sly it might not have been dangerous, though, i think he wasn't going fast enough to be pulling in front of vehicles travelling as fast as he was. call me crazy.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Atreyu]
#22420531 - 10/22/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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double yellow lines pretty sure that wouldn't have happened if the motor bike idiot wasn't breaking the law
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22420547 - 10/22/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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also passing 2 cars at the same time is pretty much the definition of douchebaggery
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22420584 - 10/22/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You haven't presented any decent argument to be countered. You're still yet to even successfully counter my original one. Literally the only thing that put the biker in the "wrong" in the entire event, was crossing a double yellow line, which in this case is pointless. There was no blind curve and no oncoming traffic he would've hit or even got close to hitting by passing. Even a large sedan would have had time to get around safely. A bike is a hell of a lot quicker than a big ass car, especially when it comes to speeding up at already pretty high speeds.
I'm not trying to be a dick really, you just don't know what you're talking about. It's frustrating when you keep typing up some rant that isn't based in any reality. The fact of the matter is if it weren't double yellow lines there is 0 wrong with where and how the biker tried to pass the slower moving traffic. Nothing. At all. I have experience on both bikes and cars of all sizes, plenty of long distance driving on lonely back roads, live in the state this happened in and know how drivers behave around here. Everything I've said, is 100% based in reality and more importantly, the specifics of this event.
Literally the only thing you can do is point to the double yellows and say "biker broke the law". Okay, he broke the law. That is in no way, shape or form justification for what this fuck (with a history of using his car as a weapon) did. I wouldn't even have trouble believing that if the biker had waited til there weren't double yellows he would've still did the same thing. The minor traffic violation pales in comparison to what the old guy did. They are not equal, both parties are not just as guilty as each other. If you need more proof of that, consider the fact that if the biker gets ticketed, it's probably going to be less than 200 dollars, and this guy stands a good chance at spending the majority of the rest of his life in prison for what HE did.
Even the law you keep trying to quote to make the two seem equal, is against you and your argument that they're both just as guilty as each other.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22420585 - 10/22/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip, i'm not arguing that the guy wasn't in the wrong, and the double lines have nothing to do with anything i'm saying.
in summation:
1: his bike, in the video, wasn't going faster than the car ahead of him, he would have had to accelerate, but being that both parties in question aren't mind-readers, the driver of the car could have sped up all the same, in essence, stopping the cyclist from making his approach.
2: he could have got rear-ended if that was the case, which is dangerous.
3: he could have been stuck, in the above instance, also, in the opposite lane, trying to get ahead of the "old guy" driver, which would have been dangerous for those in the opposite lane and for drivers behind the "old guy".
4: skipping ahead of driver's is stupid; you'll hit traffic or a red light anyways, and end up just deliberately causing more traffic, ending up only slightly ahead of the cars you got ahead of, at the behest of traffic congestion due to the damn lights. they're there for a reason. to control traffic congestion. you'll get caught in them either way, and end up only confusing and distracting drivers simply following the rules and trying to get home without crashing into an idiot.
Edited by akira_akuma (10/22/15 10:07 PM)
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420614 - 10/22/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think what we've all learned today through this enticing piece of journalism is that cars are for suckers.
seems that my arguments have their own Slothropian arcs.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22420644 - 10/22/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: also passing 2 cars at the same time is pretty much the definition of douchebaggery
The cyclist was charged with minor traffic offences. The cager was locked up and charged with two violent felonies.
I think it is plain to see who was the douchebag in this particular instance.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#22420648 - 10/22/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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all it is in here is an argument to moderation.
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Re: Asshole tries to kill people on a motorcycle with his car. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22420653 - 10/22/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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your mouth butt keeps throwing up. stoppit.
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