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Is it really just about love? 1
#22413455 - 10/21/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't shake it guys; this feeling that love is like the default condition of the human experience.
The further I free myself from the bonds of my programming/cultural conditioning, and the many distractions of the world, the more I feel that all that lies below is love. Like love and awareness are one and the same.
It all started once I learned to love myself (about 2 months ago) - since then the growing capacity for love is overwhelming everything else. I feel like I have a practically infinite capacity for it.
Am I raving mad or onto something?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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sounds good to me !
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: deff]
#22413485 - 10/21/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can feel my inner skeptic saying 'no way can it be this simple'!!
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Jokeshopbeard said: I can't shake it guys; this feeling that love is like the default condition of the human experience.
The further I free myself from the bonds of my programming/cultural conditioning, and the many distractions of the world, the more I feel that all that lies below is love. Like love and awareness are one and the same.
It all started once I learned to love myself (about 2 months ago) - since then the growing capacity for love is overwhelming everything else. I feel like I have a practically infinite capacity for it.
Am I raving mad or onto something?
That's Cosmic Consciousness

-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#22414113 - 10/21/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where'd those images come from CJ?
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Love is a biological function to promote reproduction and protecting children. I'm working on freeing myself from the bonds of love. Love is a drug that clouds reason and logic so that you'll more easily pair bond with someone even if it isn't in your best interests.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Where'd those images come from CJ?
Be Here Now by Ram Dass
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: White Beard]
#22414240 - 10/21/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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White Beard said: Love is a biological function to promote reproduction and protecting children. I'm working on freeing myself from the bonds of love. Love is a drug that clouds reason and logic so that you'll more easily pair bond with someone even if it isn't in your best interests.
Well, that's true. And I admit I am in your camp, White Beard. I feel that love is something to be embraced in certain respects, but that in other respects it is something to be overcome. I personally like to practice a kind of detached compassion for people. I would point out that it is not love.
I am forced to wonder if there is not more than one definition for love being used in this thread...
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yeah i think there can be many different definitions of love
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DividedQuantum said: I am forced to wonder if there is not more than one definition for love being used in this thread...
Oh hell yeah, this has almost nothing to do with 'romantic' love. I'm talking about love of self, life, etc. In fact, I can't really definite it in words.
If awareness = love, then it kinda insinuates loving everything which your awareness is aware of.. I guess?
I think CJ's images above paint a pretty good picture of what I'm getting at here.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#22414362 - 10/21/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: Be Here Now by Ram Dass
I seem to recall people saying that it's worth shooting for the original edition of this book. Can anyone confirm?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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I just wish I had a few of you guys here who can perceive things this way to see how much energy we could transmute together, I can just imagine how condensed and ecstatic it would be. 
I would say any version of BE HERE NOW would be fine, a 1st edition would be an expensive collector's item........ but you want to read the middle part during a psychedelic experience, so consider your substance.... some are easier to read on than others.
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It's still in print in its original format. You can get it most anywhere for not a lot.
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I've bought and given away so many copies, at one point I had an entire room wallpapered with it
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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I love all of you very much; and I love this thread- thank you Jokeshop!!! I'm so happy to see this, so happy to be here and a part of this shroomery- there's only one other forum i ever write on, and so i guess i bounce back and forth some.. for what is worth, you have my friendship and support, always; that's pretty much my generic position- anyway I wished to say it here. CJ- thank you for sharing those they are always uplifting and very beautiful! and the later ones- i know what you mean, but this is at least, a very genuine way of sharing info and the rest; friendship and so forth- i've absolutely had this thought too, a few months back. Really enjoy your signature, too, by the way. Simply wished to say- this was a very awesome, and very glad thread to see for me.
Namaste, and yes it is this simple!! Peace and light, let's get it right hehe.
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Yuh, I always get good vibes from your posts too once in a lifetime. Namaste ~~~ CJ
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Jokeshopbeard said: I can't shake it guys; this feeling that love is like the default condition of the human experience.
The further I free myself from the bonds of my programming/cultural conditioning, and the many distractions of the world, the more I feel that all that lies below is love. Like love and awareness are one and the same.
I feel that true love exists beyond the opposites of attraction/repulsion and is synonymous with awareness, so mind states that appear opposing to love are due to being somewhat unaware, like a form of blindness.
I feel that when i'm clearly aware of any thing as it is i can't help but have love for it, only when the filter of individuality obscures this awareness through habitual tendencies, predispositions, interpretation etc... then it appears to limit love to specific conditions.
So by seeing through the ways in which we condition love/awareness, we can realize the unconditional love that is our essence.
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White Beard said: Love is a biological function to promote reproduction and protecting children. I'm working on freeing myself from the bonds of love. Love is a drug that clouds reason and logic so that you'll more easily pair bond with someone even if it isn't in your best interests.
I love everyone in this thread, i doubt any of us will ever meet, and no offense but i certainly don't want any of you guys to have my babies
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: Swarupa]
#22419166 - 10/22/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Belief is a pretty great show. Watching it for the first time. This one starts out with 19-yr-old Anju who is taking up life as a nun.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: deff]
#22420622 - 10/22/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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deff said: yeah i think there can be many different definitions of love 
If there are different definitions of love, then why don't we use other words? For example, I think friendship and love are different. IMO friendship is superior to love because love is passionate; clingy; and selfish, where as friendship is mutual respect; shared interests; and dispassionate.
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deff said: I'm talking about love of self, life, etc. In fact, I can't really definite it in words.
Do you mean wonder? As in, wonder at the totality of creation?
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: White Beard]
#22420695 - 10/22/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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From the film Waking Life:
"Creation seems to come out of imperfection. It seems to come out of a striving and a frustration. And this is where I think language came from. I mean, it came from our desire to transcend our isolation and have some sort of connection with one another. And it had to be easy when it was just simple survival. Like, you know, "water." We came up with a sound for that. Or "Saber-toothed tiger right behind you." We came up with a sound for that. But when it gets really interesting, I think, is when we use that same system of symbols to communicate all the abstract and intangible things that we're experiencing. What is, like, frustration? Or what is anger or love? When I say "love," the sound comes out of my mouth and it hits the other person's ear, travels through this Byzantine conduit in their brain, you know, through their memories of love or lack of love, and they register what I'm saying and they say yes, they understand. But how do I know they understand? Because words are inert. They're just symbols. They're dead, you know? And so much of our experience is intangible. So much of what we perceive cannot be expressed. It's unspeakable. And yet, you know, when we communicate with one another, and we feel that we've connected, and we think that we're understood, I think we have a feeling of almost spiritual communion. And that feeling might be transient, but I think it's what we live for."
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#22420873 - 10/22/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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We can use descriptions and associations to make it know what emotions are. Emotions are still happening in the physical word, and we can still experience them thru our brain like our other senses. What makes fear or love anymore intangible then seeing a bird or hearing laughter?
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: White Beard]
#22420973 - 10/22/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Words have more than one definition, I don't think she meant that frustration or anger etc. were incorporeal by saying intangible, I think she meant somebody else's mentality is more difficult or impossible to understand compared to seeing a bird flying. Laughter is really strange, some seems lighthearted, some from a wicked sense of humor, some seems forced and inauthentic, you might guffaw to ascend to corporate latter, god, ever experience contagious giggles on psychedelics? Nervous laughter, a deep resonating belly laugh, silent laughter the on the computer screen at work.... stress relieving laughter, me saying "fuck it, fuck it, fuck it" and laughing during a DMT experience.... Condescending laughter.... Somebody laughing like a dead horse...... It's endless... I guess we can all point out "ha ha ha" = laughter, but the quality becomes even more vague.
But then there's Love = Awareness = Cosmic Consciousness, that is incorporeal, that is the idea, it pre-exists the physical plane. You are free to call bullshit, but this is a forum for discusssion on MYSTICISM, you dig it? I mean, words have multiple definitions, so if you define mysticism as self-delusion or dreamy confusion of thought, yanno, PP&S might be more up your alley, unless you're just trollin' it up.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#22421103 - 10/23/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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so if you define mysticism as self-delusion or dreamy confusion of thought, yanno, PP&S might be more up your alley, unless you're just trollin' it up.
I don't define it as such.
For all the different types of laughter you described... you did a pretty good job describing them with words. really gave me a good understanding of what you were talking about.
Love = Awareness
This i don't get. Why is love and awareness the same thing? I can be aware of pain and loneliness. I view love as an emotion and we can be aware of emotions with our awareness, whether they are love or hate or loneliness, etc.
= Cosmic Consciousness
Whats the difference between cosmic consciousness and plane jane regular ol' consciousness?
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: White Beard]
#22421131 - 10/23/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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White Beard said: so if you define mysticism as self-delusion or dreamy confusion of thought, yanno, PP&S might be more up your alley, unless you're just trollin' it up.
I don't define it as such.
For all the different types of laughter you described... you did a pretty good job describing them with words. really gave me a good understanding of what you were talking about.
I try man, in attempt is to transcend that feeling of isolation and feel like we're having an interactive discussion rather than eep eeping back and forth at each other like a bunch of monkeys, but who the fuck knows if we're on the same page though I suppose I'll just have to trust ya.
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Love = Awareness
This i don't get. Why is love and awareness the same thing? I can be aware of pain and loneliness. I view love as an emotion and we can be aware of emotions with our awareness, whether they are love or hate or loneliness, etc.
= Cosmic Consciousness
Whats the difference between cosmic consciousness and plane jane regular ol' consciousness?
Half the time I don't fucking understand it is the problem, I remain in a skeptic reality tunnel just like yourself. Then there are moments where it stares me in the face and there's no denying that's Love, it's a breakthrough of sorts, it's very condensed and energetic and focused and singular. I wish you were here and we could trip and see if we could drum it up, it would be an experiment and I don't know how it would go, but I'd love to try.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: White Beard] 1
#22421444 - 10/23/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Love is awareness. Maybe he should have written "(without judgement)" next to it
Cosmic conciousness is a non judgemental self witnessing of the universe, *imo*
Same as love 
We associate love with emotional responses in our bodies and minds. What can we do? We're humans! But a true love does not judge, and is accepting and understanding of everything. This goes beyond human relationships.
We may speak of love through the lens of interpersonal relationships, but i believe it transcends that and its not just a feeling inside or some fancy brain chemistry. Its something universal that manifests infinitely. Us, being the little observers we are, are free to judge every observable grain of the universe and label it!
But its all Love, or, at least thats MY label
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#22421586 - 10/23/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: Half the time I don't fucking understand it is the problem, I remain in a skeptic reality tunnel just like yourself. Then there are moments where it stares me in the face and there's no denying that's Love, it's a breakthrough of sorts, it's very condensed and energetic and focused and singular.
I get just what you mean and i feel this way alot too.
When i read "be here now" for the first time i remember thinking: "this is all one long connected thought i've had before" and it all narrows down to love. Im reminded of this everytime i pick up the book.
I have trouble staying "high" like many trippers once the glow wears off. I practice seeing the divine in everyone and everything including myself. Seeing, with love and compassion, that its all beautiful and perfect because it isnt any other way.
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If you do not recognize the graphics posted by CJ, then you are in for a very pleasant and important surprise. This book has been my companion since late 1972. It is the Holy Grail of tripping manuals and the bibliography kept me busy for many many years. The Intro is read before, the Core book during, and the Cookbook for a Sacred Life after a psychedelic trip. It was my first recognized holy scripture. When handed to me during a difficult trip at age 19 by the late Kathy Sunderland (who eventually managed The Dead), I wanted to buy two of them and wallpaper my room with them. I never did that, but I've given away many over the decades. Welcome to REMEMBER: BE HERE NOW. 
https://stormwolfwords.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/be_here_now2.pdf(Highlight and open the link in a separate window).
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It is indeed a very good book, although I really have trouble reading parts of the middle section. Some of the pictures interfere with the text.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: Peyote Road]
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The pictures appeal to the right hemisphere of the brain while the text appeals to the left. You merely disclose your left-brain predilection. Steve Durkee's art has spoken to me loudly and clearly most of my life.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#22432711 - 10/25/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like switching the word "love" with the word "slack."
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I wish could know what you mean. I don't feel that I have much capacity for love except toward my family when I remember the attachments I felt as a child and they come back. Towards my girlfriend I feel she's fun, sure, but my emotions are blunted. It's not love even though I call it that.
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: RedNucleus]
#22433586 - 10/25/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rev. Morton said:
I like switching the word "love" with the word "slack."
That knowledge is reserved for adepts .
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#22442853 - 10/28/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe the world means something and so does its attractive forces?
We do actually amount to something, yeah?
I can get ridiculous images in my mind and feelings too from "mere music" ...
I mean, you're on the wrong level. You know too much. You can 'know' something 'for sure' but still be wrong in the end.
I think the better way is to just trust raw experience. What you learn about the world is also an experience, it's not language-defined. That is, you can't say anything about it, it's a secret. "A secret is not something untold, it's something that can't be told." So should your life be...
"The ultimate vehicles of metaphysical conjecture; these are experiences." -Terence McKenna
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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: circastes]
#22458477 - 10/31/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well If your love is true..do you really have to ask?
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