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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22420873 - 10/22/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We can use descriptions and associations to make it know what emotions are. Emotions are still happening in the physical word, and we can still experience them thru our brain like our other senses. What makes fear or love anymore intangible then seeing a bird or hearing laughter?


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: White Beard]
    #22420973 - 10/22/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Words have more than one definition, I don't think she meant that frustration or anger etc. were incorporeal by saying intangible, I think she meant somebody else's mentality is more difficult or impossible to understand compared to seeing a bird flying.  Laughter is really strange, some seems lighthearted, some from a wicked sense of humor, some seems forced and inauthentic, you might guffaw to ascend to corporate latter, god, ever experience contagious giggles on psychedelics?  Nervous laughter, a deep resonating belly laugh, silent laughter the :lol: on the computer screen at work.... stress relieving laughter, me saying "fuck it, fuck it, fuck it" and laughing during a DMT experience....  Condescending laughter.... Somebody laughing like a dead horse...... It's endless...  I guess we can all point out "ha ha ha" = laughter, but the quality becomes even more vague.

But then there's Love = Awareness = Cosmic Consciousness, that is incorporeal, that is the idea, it pre-exists the physical plane.  You are free to call bullshit, but this is a forum for discusssion on MYSTICISM, you dig it?  I mean, words have multiple definitions, so if you define mysticism as self-delusion or dreamy confusion of thought, yanno, PP&S might be more up your alley, unless you're just trollin' it up.



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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22421103 - 10/23/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

so if you define mysticism as self-delusion or dreamy confusion of thought, yanno, PP&S might be more up your alley, unless you're just trollin' it up.

I don't define it as such.

For all the different types of laughter you described... you did a pretty good job describing them with words. :wink: really gave me a good understanding of what you were talking about.

Love = Awareness

This i don't get. Why is love and awareness the same thing? I can be aware of pain and loneliness. I view love as an emotion and we can be aware of emotions with our awareness, whether they are love or hate or loneliness, etc.

= Cosmic Consciousness

Whats the difference between cosmic consciousness and plane jane regular ol' consciousness?


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: White Beard]
    #22421131 - 10/23/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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White Beard said:
so if you define mysticism as self-delusion or dreamy confusion of thought, yanno, PP&S might be more up your alley, unless you're just trollin' it up.

I don't define it as such.

For all the different types of laughter you described... you did a pretty good job describing them with words. :wink: really gave me a good understanding of what you were talking about.





I try man, in attempt is to transcend that feeling of isolation and feel like we're having an interactive discussion rather than eep eeping back and forth at each other like a bunch of monkeys, but who the fuck knows if we're on the same page though :shrug: I suppose I'll just have to trust ya.

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Love = Awareness

This i don't get. Why is love and awareness the same thing? I can be aware of pain and loneliness. I view love as an emotion and we can be aware of emotions with our awareness, whether they are love or hate or loneliness, etc.

= Cosmic Consciousness

Whats the difference between cosmic consciousness and plane jane regular ol' consciousness?





Half the time I don't fucking understand it is the problem, I remain in a skeptic reality tunnel just like yourself.  Then there are moments where it stares me in the face and there's no denying that's Love, it's a breakthrough of sorts, it's very condensed and energetic and focused and singular. I wish you were here and we could trip and see if we could drum it up, it would be an experiment and I don't know how it would go, but I'd love to try.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: White Beard] * 1
    #22421444 - 10/23/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Love is awareness. Maybe he should have written "(without judgement)" next to it

Cosmic conciousness is a non judgemental self witnessing of the universe, *imo*

Same as love :lol:

We associate love with emotional responses in our bodies and minds. What can we do? We're humans! But a true love does not judge, and is accepting and understanding of everything. This goes beyond human relationships.

We may speak of love through the lens of interpersonal relationships, but i believe it transcends that and its not just a feeling inside or some fancy brain chemistry. Its something universal that manifests infinitely. Us, being the little observers we are, are free to judge every observable grain of the universe and label it!

But its all Love, or, at least thats MY label :tongue:


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke] * 1
    #22421586 - 10/23/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Half the time I don't fucking understand it is the problem, I remain in a skeptic reality tunnel just like yourself.  Then there are moments where it stares me in the face and there's no denying that's Love, it's a breakthrough of sorts, it's very condensed and energetic and focused and singular.




I get just what you mean and i feel this way alot too.

When i read "be here now" for the first time i remember thinking: "this is all one long connected thought i've had before" and it all narrows down to love. Im reminded of this everytime i pick up the book.

I have trouble staying "high" like many trippers once the glow wears off. I practice seeing the divine in everyone and everything including myself. Seeing, with love and compassion, that its all beautiful and perfect because it isnt any other way.


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22424504 - 10/23/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you do not recognize the graphics posted by CJ, then you are in for a very pleasant and important surprise. This book has been my companion since late 1972. It is the Holy Grail of tripping manuals and the bibliography kept me busy for many many years. The Intro is read before, the Core book during, and the Cookbook for a Sacred Life after a psychedelic trip. It was my first recognized holy scripture. When handed to me during a difficult trip at age 19 by the late Kathy Sunderland (who eventually managed The Dead), I wanted to buy two of them and wallpaper my room with them. I never did that, but I've given away many over the decades. Welcome to REMEMBER: BE HERE NOW. :smile:



https://stormwolfwords.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/be_here_now2.pdf

(Highlight and open the link in a separate window).


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22424599 - 10/23/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

It is indeed a very good book, although I really have trouble reading parts of the middle section. Some of the pictures interfere with the text.


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22430266 - 10/25/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The pictures appeal to the right hemisphere of the brain while the text appeals to the left. You merely disclose your left-brain predilection. Steve Durkee's art has spoken to me loudly and clearly most of my life.


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22432711 - 10/25/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I like switching the word "love" with the word "slack."


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22432805 - 10/25/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wish could know what you mean. I don't feel that I have much capacity for love except toward my family when I remember the attachments I felt as a child and they come back. Towards my girlfriend I feel she's fun, sure, but my emotions are blunted. It's not love even though I call it that.


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: RedNucleus]
    #22433586 - 10/25/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Rev. Morton said:

I like switching the word "love" with the word "slack."




That knowledge is reserved for adepts :tongue:.


Edited by Middleman (02/15/16 02:06 PM)


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #22442853 - 10/28/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe the world means something and so does its attractive forces?

We do actually amount to something, yeah?

I can get ridiculous images in my mind and feelings too from "mere music" ...

I mean, you're on the wrong level. You know too much. You can 'know' something 'for sure' but still be wrong in the end.

I think the better way is to just trust raw experience. What you learn about the world is also an experience, it's not language-defined. That is, you can't say anything about it, it's a secret. "A secret is not something untold, it's something that can't be told." So should your life be...

"The ultimate vehicles of metaphysical conjecture; these are experiences." -Terence McKenna


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Re: Is it really just about love? [Re: circastes]
    #22458477 - 10/31/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well If your love is true..do you really have to ask?


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